Hiashi vs Kakashi

[NarutoNineTails]

Who would win 1v1?

[Yondaime]

as i have told u many times before. hyuuga will be defeated by long range jutsu. and since kakashi is konohas finest skill user and he knows over 1000 jutsu he can easily make some distance between him and hiashi and use a jutsu to beat him. you seriously underestimate kakashi. kakashi is a super genius. he graduated from the academy at 5 and became a chuunin at 6.

[NarutoNineTails]

Kakashi is overrated. All three characters with sharingan are overrated in my opinion. Many agree as mentioned in the overrated/underrated thread.

Hiashi w/ his one hit kill gentle fist in conjuction w/ super Kaiten is virtually unstoppable within medium range combat. People assume that a fight can be kept at long distance if one wants to. Not the case when the opponent is of Hiashi's caliber. Also, I highly doubt a nin w/ the title of trump card of Konoha can be defeated w/ a long distance jutsu. Hiashi can easily dodge long distance jutsus. At worst, Hiashi can Kaiten the long distance jutsus. People who continue to use long distance jutsu is at a disadvantage because the more they use them the more chakra they waste.

[lamb]

so if you answered your own question, why did you ask?
please say it wasnt just so you could disagree with someone.

[NarutoNineTails]

So we get feedback from others. Also allows us not to flood a thread w/ unrelated posts.

[Yondaime]

because he does not understand that hyuuga is not all that he thinks it is. sharingan is definitely a better eye and the mange sharingan will easily defeat anyone with the byakugan. and if you think it is easy for the hyuuga people to do what gai does then you are wrong. gai trained to do that because he has fought kakashi many times and had to focus on his feet(i dont know why). did you see the speed of the jutsu being cast when kakashi was fighting itachi? you see itachi one second and the next hes already created a kage bushin. and that is not ven his fulll power.

[NarutoNineTails]

Another off topic post...go find the appropriate thread for your posts newbie and don't create repeat threads either (if you plan to). I know this isn't a repeat thread since i'm a veteran here.

Edit: I can respond to your last post but won't since I don't want to keep flooding a thread w/ off topic posts. I already addressed Tsukuyomi vs Hyuuga in other threads...go find it lazy newbie.

[Yondaime]

you are soo stupid and stubborn. first of all i am just trying to prove to you that you are wrong about the hyuuga being the strongest clan. if you want proof go to episode 16 where kakashi tells zabuza taht sasuke is "from the leafs most outstanding clan".u dumbass. and second. hyuuga is mainly based aroung taijutsu like ive told u before. if someone gets away from them and uses high level ninjutsu then hyuuga cant do anything. and kakashi is just the person to do that since he is konohas finest skill user and he knows over 1000 jutsu

[NarutoNineTails]

How about simply dodging the "high level ninjutsu"? Since it is from far away, how hard would it be to dodge it? lol

BTW, Kakashi is also the one who mentions the superiority of Byakugan over Sharingan during Neji vs Hinata. And Kakashi has sharingan also...a little biased opinion don't you think? As we said before, what one says doesn't mean anything since they are biased.

How lame of you to start the name calling. How childish you look...lol

[Yondaime]

i was not name caling i was just telling you what i think of you because you are a stubborn oaf. and everyone recognises uchiha as the strongest clan in the village.
and if kakashi were to use a high level ninjutsu wouldnt he use a ninjutsu that hiashi cant dodge? like water blast no jutsu or water dragon no jutsu

btw kakashi said that the byakugan can see better than kakashis sharingan and as he says many times, he cannot use the sharingan perectly.

what eye do you call better? an eye that can see almost 360 degrees around u and can see the chakra system and tenketsu in your body or a eye that can copy techniques and can kill you if you look into it and can also see through all genjustsu and taijutsu and ninjutsu

[NarutoNineTails]

I guess "dumbass" isn't name calling. lol

The next line is even better, "everyone recognises uchiha as the strongest clan in the village". Are you sure about that? Just check some of the multiple polls about Sharigan vs Byakugan and Hyuuga vs Uchiha in the anime section. Lets see if you can use the word "everyone" again. ;)

And why can't someone dodge a water blast no jutsu or water dragon no jutsu from far away?

[Yondaime]

when i said everyone i did not say as in here i meant as in konoha.
why would they all anticipate sasukes match and not anticipate nejis match? because uchiha is the strongest clan of the leaf. and kakashi can use so many jutsu that he must have at least one that can defeat hiashi.

have you seen the naruto jump festa 2004? when shibuki uses the water dragon no jutsu the dragon goes and devours the people

[lamb]

Yondaime try not to get dragged in,
he is a "Veteran" afterall...he knows best :roll:

btw, Kakashi saying the byakugan was better...if I recall correctly he merely said that his sharingan cannot see tenketsu.

[Yondaime]

lol he knows best my backside... just cos i havent been on these forums for over a day doesnt mean he knows better than me. ive seen alll the episodes and ive read the manga i just didnt know about these orums until not long ago and i was only bothered to sign up today. since i hadnt been the one downloading naruto, my big bro has been downloading it all this time and sharing it over the network. but lets not get off topic. i still think kakashi can beat hiashi because hiashi is a close range fighter and the secret to beating hyuuga people is long range jutsu or weapons aiming at the blind spot or as gai says in episode 50 a high speed combo.

how old are you guys anyway? im almost 14 :D

[NarutoNineTails]

Everyone in Konoha believe Uchiha are the best? Total speculation and your arguement is the anticipation of Garra vs Sasuke. Very weak arguement at best.

The anticipation wasn't soley because Sasuke is an Uchiha:
1) The match up was considered better since Garra is considered the best Gennin from the sand. People didn't have much expectation for Naruto and people believed it was a one sided match. Would you be really interested in a match between the #1 ranked to a drop out?
2) Many people haven't seen an Uchiha fight for a while. People obviously want to see something they haven't seen in a while. It doesn't mean that people believe Uchiha is better than Hyuuga.

Also, how do you explain the presence of Hokage the 3rd when it was revealed that Hyuuga were the trump cards. It was a serious enough matter for Konoha that Hokage had to be there to address the details of the hand over of Hizashi to the village of lightning.

The water dragon devoured the weaker ninjas charging in and within range. Hiashi isn't dumb or weak enough to get defeated by that jutsu.

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondaime try not to get dragged in,
he is a "Veteran" afterall...he knows best :roll:

btw, Kakashi saying the byakugan was better...if I recall correctly he merely said that his sharingan cannot see tenketsu.

I mentioned "veteran" to state my point that the newbie is mentioning the same stuff that has been said many times before and have been countered. He goes about as if he is providing "obvious" answers when at best it is his opinion and speculation.

[Yondaime]

if you watch the episode before the fight, nobody knows who gaara is. they say: the uchiha match is next. but who is this gaara guy? so they didnt know who he was and all the people were saying that the uchiha was going to win the match.

the last time the people watched hyuuga fight was when hiashi and hizashi were genin and chuunin. but after that they saw itachi fight so that means that they hadnt seen hyuuga fight for a longer period than they hadnt seen uchiha fight.

Did the 3rd say anything about hyuuga being the villages trump card? no. hiashis dad just said that hyuuga is konohas last hand. and offcourse the 3rd didnt want to give away a good bloodline limit from his village since hyuuga was the 2nd strongest clan.

[lamb]

ok
everyone in Konoha believe Uchiha are the best? Total speculation and your arguement is the anticipation of Garra vs Sasuke. Very weak arguement at best.
right...and what on this forum isnt speculation...
The match up was considered better since Garra is considered the best Gennin from the sand.
Gaara was a complete unknown, the little books the crowd had had no data on him apart from missions completed, they were all shouting because they wanted to see Uchiha Sasuke not Gaara.
I have watched the anime from beginning to end several times, and read the manga, and the impression that I have always got is that the Uchiha clan was widely feared and was the strongest clan in konoha.
how do you explain the presence of Hokage the 3rd when it was revealed that Hyuuga were the trump cards. It was a serious enough matter for Konoha that Hokage had to be there to address the details of the hand over of Hizashi to the village of lightning.
Hyuuga are a trump card seeing as they are strong (ok you are not going to like that argument, but whatever)
as for hokage being there, the incident was threatening to destroy the peace treaty between the lightning and konoha, obviously he would be there.
mentioned "veteran" to state my point that the newbie is mentioning the same stuff that has been said many times before and have been countered. He goes about as if he is providing "obvious" answers when at best it is his opinion and speculation.
again, everything on this forum is speculation and opinion, I doubt your views are incredibly original, and they are of course certainly speculation, and your opinion. You cant start a thread which blatently involves the sharingan and the byukagan and not expect repepition, and there is nothing wrong with repetition, it just means more than one person shares the same views. So what if his opinion has been countered in the past, it would have been countered by speculation, which is exactly what you dislike.

[NarutoNineTails]

How do you know if there weren't any Hyuuga battles that people saw or heard about since the masscre? Most likely in that span there were quite a few. You assume way too much.

Did you see Hokage disagreeing w/ the Hyuuga elder when he mentioned their trump card status? Hokage didn't say anything since it is already accepted as the case. If Hokage wasn't there and the elder said this it would not have been as credible.

Another point that supports this is Hiashi being addressed as sama. Medical personelle who are NOT Hyuuga (they didn't have Hyuuga eyes) addressed Hiashi with sama. Only people addressed as sama by other clan members are Kages and Sennins.

[Yondaime]

did zabuza disagre when kakashi called uchiha the mosts outstanding clan in konoha? ofcourse sandaime didnt say anythign. why should he? he doesnt need to tell them that they arent srong or whatnot.

there have been people who called sasuke sama. even though they are older than him. people have called rock lee sama. sama is like when we call people mr.

[NarutoNineTails]

lamb,

I know my statements are speculation but I do a better job when I state my opinion by using the words, "i think/believe". Yondaime states his case if there can't be any discussion for the most part. That is the difference.

[lamb]

I assume way too much?
Unfortunately you assume as much.
...
newbie :roll:

tss whatever I have had my say, its not like anything is conclusive for either side of the argument.
laters.

[NarutoNineTails]

Sasuke sama and lee sama? I don't think so. There has been no times other than Kages, Sennins, and Hiashi that other clan members addressed someone else w/ sama. Kun, Chan, and San are used instead.

[NarutoNineTails]

I assume way too much?
Unfortunately you assume as much.
...
newbie :roll:

tss whatever I have had my say, its not like anything is conclusive for either side of the argument.
laters.

I was addressing Yondaime when I said, "you assume way too much"...not you lamb

[Yondaime]

sama is just used as respect. its kinda like mr but more respectful

[NarutoNineTails]

Exactly...no one has yet addressed Kakashi or other Jounins including any Uchiha w/ 'sama'. Why are Kages, Sennins, and Hiashi addressed the same way. Most likely because they are in the same league.

[Yondaime]

How do you know if there weren't any Hyuuga battles that people saw or heard about since the masscre? Most likely in that span there were quite a few. You assume way too much.
so you are saying that the people went to watch hiashi fight during a war? u think they sat down with popcorn watching them fight with enemies running all around them?

and no way is hiashi in league with jiraiya or orochimaru or a hokage

i remember ditinctly someone calling sasuke sama. and why does ebisu call konohamaru sama? is konohamaru "in league with jiraiya" oh yes thats right. konohamaru is in league with jiraiya even though he has no techniques. he beats up jiraiya with his shuriken and kunai.

ha! ive found it: go to the end of episode 51 where naruto is demanding to go to sasukes room. the woman calls him sama. sama is just respectful. like mr.

[L2Mc]

I think Hiashi would win, but i haven't seen enough of his skill yet.

[Yondaime]

well i have never seen a hyuuga use a jutsu that isnt bloodline limit. that is if u call kaiten a jutsu and the 64 tenketsu press a jutsu.

[NarutoNineTails]

Clearly it is your opinion that Hiashi isn't in the same leauge but I have pretty good arguement that Hyuuga is the trump card of Konoha and this was the case when Uchiha were at full strength also.
If you read other threads here, I'm not the only one who believes that Hyuuga are the trump cards because of the said reasons.

Do only Hyuuga fight in a war or battle? There can be civilians caught in the middle of battles so yes people could have seen fights and at the very least heard about what had happened from other ninjas who participated in a mission together. You assume way too much.

[Yondaime]

you are the one who assumes that the hokage says hyuuga is the leaf's trump card. just because a hyuuga said that it is does not mean that it is. also kakashi who is not a uchiha calls it konohas most outstanding clan. have you ever heard someone who is not a hyuuga call hyuuga konohas best clan while uchiha is around?

so if civillians are caught up in a war they would sit and watch the hyuuga fight? no they would try to run.
if a hyuuga is on a mision and he is fighting would his comrades just sit and watch? no they would try to help and also fight. so you cannot say that they do not anticipate a hyuuga's match because they have seen hyuuga's fighting in the close past because they havent.

[NarutoNineTails]

Sama is usually used for a person in higher status. Since Konohamaru is the grandson of the 3rd...he comes from a higher heritage and gets called sama by some. Totally understandable since it is part of asian culture and i'm asian. Sama sometimes can be used out of courtesy too but is used this way very rarely. The fact still remains that no other jounins were addressed by sama other than Hiashi.

[Yondaime]

sasuke was adressed by sama.. so you are saying that he is in league with the hokages? no they are just being polite to him. since you dont see kakashi or any other jounin talk to those medical people. and yes they call him sama because he is from the current strongest clan since uchiha has been wiped out.

your main very weak argument is that hiashi's father called hyuuga konoha's "trump card" and even you know that this is very biased. yet everyone anticipatews uchiha's fight in the chuunin exam and kakashi says that uchiha is the leafs most outstanding clan. hiashi's dad calling hyuuga konoha's trump card is the same as if not less persuading than itachi saying uchiha is the strongest. since hiashi's dad does nothing to prove it but itachi actually says: "ill show you why uchiha is the strongest" and he beats kakashi.

[Xtremegamer6687]

I believe Hiashi would win. Being the current leader of the Hyuuga clan, you can guarantee that his skills are not to be reckoned with.

The argument that Kakashi knows over 1000 jutsus is true but somewhat flawed. This is why.

1) You have to take into account that his Sharingan is not originally his;thus, he tires quickly due to the Chakra use. This has been stated numerously so dont bother saying its wrong.

2) Now that #1 has been established, you have to consider the additional high level jutsus, which will use a substantial amount of Chakra, that will be needed to defeat Hiashi. This accumulated with the chakra used by the Sharingan will no doubt put Kakashi at a severe disadvantage.

3) Now you might say he will not use Sharingan so that he can use the chakra for jutsus against Hiashi. That would be a strategic mistake on Kakashi's part.

Kakashi will not be anywhere near as powerful without the Sharingan. Why? When Kakashi fought Zabuza, who is considered by many a low-level Jounin, he stated that he could not win as he was now. He then proceeded to reveal the Sharingan, which played the most critical role in defeating Zabuza.

I am 99% positive that Hiashi would own Zabuza. Hiashi > Zabuza.

Given all these faults in Kakashi, I am fairly certain that Hiashi is more than capable of defeating him.

[NarutoNineTails]

you are the one who assumes that the hokage says hyuuga is the leaf's trump card. just because a hyuuga said that it is does not mean that it is. also kakashi who is not a uchiha calls it konohas most outstanding clan. have you ever heard someone who is not a hyuuga call hyuuga konohas best clan while uchiha is around?

I wasn't assuming...i was presenting my arguement of...
1) the words 'trump card' is used to describe Hyuuga during Hizashi's decision to sacrifice himself for the village
2) Hiashi is addressed as sama and not other jounins
3) rival village targeted Byakugan instead of Sharingan

There are three good arguments that point to Hyuuga being Konoha's trump card.

Do you have any argument that says otherwise? Lets see them? It is more likely than not that Hyuuga were the trump cards even when Uchiha were at full strength. What do you have that can discount three of these facts pointing to the same idea of Hyuuga being the trump card?


so if civillians are caught up in a war they would sit and watch the hyuuga fight? no they would try to run.
if a hyuuga is on a mision and he is fighting would his comrades just sit and watch? no they would try to help and also fight. so you cannot say that they do not anticipate a hyuuga's match because they have seen hyuuga's fighting in the close past because they havent.

You simply said ppl did not see any Hyuuga fights since Hiashi/Hizashi. I'm just saying that you can't assume stuff like that. There are other branch members that probably have taken the chunnin exam prior to Hinata and Neji. Anticipation is going to be greater for the only remaining Uchiha. Another reason why the anticipation was greater is due to everyone waiting for their match to take place due to the really late arrival of Sasuke.

sasuke was adressed by sama.. so you are saying that he is in league with the hokages? no they are just being polite to him. since you dont see kakashi or any other jounin talk to those medical people. and yes they call him sama because he is from the current strongest clan since uchiha has been wiped out.

your main very weak argument is that hiashi's father called hyuuga konoha's "trump card" and even you know that this is very biased. yet everyone anticipatews uchiha's fight in the chuunin exam and kakashi says that uchiha is the leafs most outstanding clan. hiashi's dad calling hyuuga konoha's trump card is the same as if not less persuading than itachi saying uchiha is the strongest. since hiashi's dad does nothing to prove it but itachi actually says: "ill show you why uchiha is the strongest" and he beats kakashi.

As I said before, the way sama is used for kids is different from how it was used for Hiashi. The medical personnelle were quite shocked at the entrance of Hiashi and showed immediate respect when they realized who it was. It is shown by the medical personnelle's body language and the tone in which they spoke...contrast that to the way sama was used for the kids...they are different. We haven't seen that kind reaction or treatment towards anyone else other than Hokage and the Sennins.

[Shinobi`Sora]

geyah....... i been here for 4 days.. and ALL i see are basically a sharingan user VS someone or a Hyuuga VS someone.... this is rather anoying -.-

[Yondaime]

1. The ONLY person to call hyuuga konohas trump card is a hyuuga... and its not even as convincing as when itachi said that uchiha is the strongest because right after he said it he proved that uchiha is the strongest and beat kakashi with its bloodline limit.

2. Hiashi is refered to as sama way after uchiha is finished and hyuuga is the strongest in the village and those people even call sasuke a sama

3.the byakugan was targeted because at the time kakashi was already known to have a sharingan so the country of lightning knew that you cannot use sharingan perfectly if you get it implanted or whatnot.


There were no more brach members to take the chuunin exam because if tehre were more branch memebrs they would be the same age as hiashi because their parents would be hiashis uncle/aunt. and they watched itachi take his chuunin and jounin exams after they watched hiashi, hizashi and the branch members (if there were any). but they still anticipated the uchiha match and they actually said: i took the day off work just to see this match. because its got the uchiha in it. did you ever see anyone going: "i want to see the hyuuga's match"? no. because nobody anticipated the hyuuga's match. it was left in the shadows of the uchiha match.

and please dont underestimate kakashis chakra. he made about 100 clones when he had no chakra left. and you can never say that zabuza is a low level jounin since he was an anbu member and why would he have the name of: "the devil of the hidden mist" if he was a low level jounin.
and the second time they fought kakashi easily beat him. at first it seems like kakashi was losing until he just decided to stop messing around and used kuchiose no jutsu(summoning)

[Shinobi`Sora]

woah..... he disected the topic and pieced it back together with valid points... LOTS of points... O.O *claps slowly*

[Yondaime]

well if you think about it. have you ever seen a hyuuga do a jutsu? and dont mean kaiten or the tenketsu press or byakugan. i mean actual normal jutsu which are not blood line limited. if kakashi gets away just enought to be out of the range of kaiten and the tenketsu press move then kakashi can use jutsu and beat hiashi. and i think kakashi is meant to be very fast since when sasuke met gai and gai got behind him so fast he said that he is faster than kakashi so this makes kakashi sound fast. and as gai says in episode 50. the key to defeating neji (and all other hyuugas it seems) lies within the high speed combo. so IF kakashi is faster than hiashi which i think he is. then he can beat hiashi. and another reason i think he is faster is because you need to be very fast to use chidori and that is y i think he is faster. even if kakashi is the same speed as hiashi. he can get out of the range of hiashis attacks and usetechniques. if kakashi were to make loads of kage bushins like naruto does. then they can charge at the kaiten and one of them may be able to stop it like naruto does and then that clone will explode and hiashi will be hurt and then kakashi and al his clones can g and beat him up or use jutsus on him.

[Shinobi`Sora]

eh... wut u say is plausible.. but i still think there really is no such thing as a strongest clan. it varies for e/ situation....

[Yondaime]

well the byakugan has a great disadvantage when it comes to mange sharingan since the byakugan can see almost 360 degrees so if itachi were behind hiashi and used the mange sharingan hiashi wuld see it and die.

[Shinobi`Sora]

now your leaning too much to sharingan. cant we all jsut say........ they all strong and stop all this... VS threads?

[Yondaime]

i have always said that uchiha was the strongest clan in konoha and i wont back down from my opinion. he keeps relying on the fact that a hyuuga called hyuuga the villages trump card (in the flashback in episode 63) and he uses that to say that because it is the trump card (which it was not) their leader is as strong as sannins. and no way can hiashi compete with sannins unless its tsunade. ive seen another thread about hiashi vs itachi. and im sure that itachi will beat the hell out of hiashi because he doesnt even use his full speed against kakashi and kurenai and effortlessly beats them. as kakashi says. he moves so fast that even his sharingan(which enables him to see extremely fast movements) could not keep up

[Shinobi`Sora]

lol *secretly deep down inside... she feels uchiha is best.. as far as frontal assault goes at leas*

[Raistlin]

who the hell is he arguing with?

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondaime,

I guess it is just conicidence that the 3 thing displayed IN the anime, point in the same direction.

You try to discount each w/ your speculations but your speculations can't compete with what was actually shown in the anime 3 different times.

1) Beating Kakashi is more convincing of Uchiha's superiority? That is your speculation. And how is beating Kakashi more convincing? From what we see here so far in the poll, more people believe Hiashi can beat Kakashi.

2) How do you know if Hiashi wasn't referred as sama before the uchiha masscre? It is your speculation again that Hiashi was not addressed as sama before the masscre. I believe he was and I believe Hyuuga leaders prior to Hiashi would have been addressed the same way. Hyuuga came before Uchiha. The fact still remains no other adults other than Hiashi, Kages, and Sennins are addressed as sama in the anime so far.

You also still haven't addressed the difference I mentioned in how sama is used...As I said before, the way sama is used for kids is different from how it was used for Hiashi. The medical personnelle were quite shocked at the entrance of Hiashi and showed immediate respect when they realized who it was. It is shown by the medical personnelle's body language and the tone in which they spoke...contrast that to the way sama was used for the kids...they are different. We haven't seen that kind reaction or treatment towards anyone else other than Hokage and the Sennins.

3) You counterpoint here is total speculation...lol. The fact is Byakugan was targeted over Sharingan and both clans were perfectly intact then.

Simply, the combination of these 3 points FROM THE ANIME has much more meaning than your speculations.

[Raistlin]

I think Kakashi would get owned by Hiashi, but only because Kakashi hasnt mastered sharingan.
(And can't)

[Yondaime]

what i meant in the first part was that the hyuuga guy had nothing to back up that hyuuga was the strongest clan... yet when itachi said that they were he used a uchiha bloodline limit to easily defeat kakashi. What is more convincing? some guy going: we are the strongest in the village and giving away one of his sons to some country because they tried to kidnap his granddaughter?
or
Some guy saying: i will show you why my clan is the strongest and easily defeating somebody, using the clan's bloodline limit?

You say taht i assume too much? you are the one assuming that the hyuuga guys were also called sama all tthe time. have you ever seen neji being called sama? have you ever seen those medical staff speak to kakashi? no its just some dumb thing you keep getting obsessed with. sama merely means :mr

n how old are you anyway dude? you seem to be like 10 years older than me but cant seem to get anything through that thick skull of yours.

[lamb]

blah blah this thread is utterly wank, why is it still going on, someone just let the other have the last word and leave it at that.

[NarutoNineTails]

The combination of 3 points from the anime has much more meaning than your speculations Yondaime...nice try though.

You think you know more about asian culture than me? I lived in asia for 8 years and have parents living there which I visit almost every year. Sama carries much more respect and reverence than just 'Mr.' San is more like 'Mr.' The fact that it is only used for Hiashi, Kages, and Sennins in the manner I described different from using for kids(which you still haven't addressed). This is because they are all in the same league.

[Yondaime]

well how do you now that everyone else cals hiashi sama? how do you know that those medical staff dont call kakashi sama. and sama is usually to adress older people. and even if only the hyuuga leader is called sama because he is from a diferent heritage it does not mean that hyuuga is stronger than uchiha... just because hiashi is called sama AFTER uchiha is dead does not mean that hyuuga was stronger than uchiha

[NarutoNineTails]

I'm just pointing out that Hiashi is in the leauge to be addressed as sama. The fact is no other adults other than Hiashi, Kages, and Sannins have been addressed that way yet in the anime. That in itself says a lot.

[Raistlin]

Sama is like serious serious respect. It's not like Mr.
Ninetails is right.
Whether or not he's stronger isn't decided, but in that part of the argument..
Anyways, this is getting annoying. -.-

[bonkers]

I voted Kakashi !!! , Cause of the 1000 jutsua thing and cause Hiashi is not really that strong if he has to be protected by other "families" all the time !

I don't know , just my opinion...

[Yondaime]

no it doesnt. they are most probably calling him sama because he is either the leader of a clan or because he is the leader of hyuuga. the current strongest clan. that has nothing to do with him being in league with saanin or whatnot. you keep claiming that he is in league with sannin and whatnot. dont you think he would be called legendary if he was? but he isnt called legendary. the only person i know of who can compete with sannin and kages that isnt called legendary is itachi adn i think that is because no village has seen his power since he was like 13 and even if they had they wouldnt make him a legend since he is evil and an enemy to the villages who have encountered him

[Raistlin]

That's what I said, it doesnt mean he's stronger, just more respected..

[Yondaime]

and one more thing. if byakugan is a better eye than sharingan why is orochimaru (a very knowlegable person) after the sharingan and not the byakugan? and the country of lightining is after the secret of the byakugan. sharingan has no secret. its a doujutsu bourn in the eye and released from the pupil

[NarutoNineTails]

no it doesnt. they are most probably calling him sama because he is either the leader of a clan or because he is the leader of hyuuga. the current strongest clan. that has nothing to do with him being in league with saanin or whatnot. you keep claiming that he is in league with sannin and whatnot. dont you think he would be called legendary if he was? but he isnt called legendary. the only person i know of who can compete with sannin and kages that isnt called legendary is itachi adn i think that is because no village has seen his power since he was like 13 and even if they had they wouldnt make him a legend since he is evil and an enemy to the villages who have encountered him

This is your opinion and I disagree w/ you. I supported my beliefs w/ facts from the anime. You try to discount them w/ your speculation. I think I have a better arguement.

Also, Oro wants sharingan because of his thirst to know all jutsus. He can gain it easier and more quickly w/ the sharingan not because he thinks Sharingan is better.

[Yondaime]

did the country of lightning want the actual byakugan? no they wanted the secret of it. if there was a secret of the sharingan they wouldve wnted it. but the sharingan is just bourn in the eye

[NarutoNineTails]

Lightning village could have tried to take an uchiha. They decided on a Hyuuga. That it inself says a lot too.

[Yondaime]

they took a hyuuga because with byakugan they can figure out the secret... with sharingan they just take 2 sharingans and what do they do with them? they have 2 people with sharingan and thats it... and hinata had byakugan then, but sasuke never had his sharingan. only the skilled uchiha have sharingan and if somebody were to try and abduct them they would put up a fight. for instance at the time itachi was about 9 or 10. he was already a chuunin and had mastered the sharingan. 4 years later he would become a anbu leader... i doubt he would be easy to kidnap. even if he wasnt strong enough his retaliation would at least get somebody to wake up.

[NarutoNineTails]

Speculation...speculation. Do we know if Hinata realized Byakugan then? We don't even know if just having a body of a person who inherited a blood line is enough or if one needs to have a body that already realized that bloodline. The important fact we do know is that lightning village chose a Hyuuga instead of any other clan in Leaf.

[Yondaime]

the byakugan is the actual eye every hyuuga is born with. they ca at anytime use it to be able to see inside people and stuff. if the normal eye hinata has is not byakugan then y is it white? and y do all of hyuuga have the white eyes?

[NarutoNineTails]

I've seen Neji turn on Byakugan using hand seals once. One of the avatars in this forum actually shows this. I am guessing that Byakugan gets realized earlier than Sharingan but we have no way of knowing how early at this point. Having white eyes doesn't necessarily mean you have Byakugan at birth. It shows the potential to achieve Byakugan. What you say about Byakugan present at birth can be true too but it is still speculation.

[Yondaime]

do you know what byakugan means? it means "white eyes" byakugan is the actual eyes that the hyuuga have when they are born. they dont need to use any jutsu to have the byakugan. they need a jutsu to be able to use the abilities of the byakugn but the actual eyes they are born with are byakugan.
whereas if a uchiha is kidnapped and they try to get the secret of the sharingan they cant unless the uchiha willingly activates it like sasuke can.

[NarutoNineTails]

Umm...how and why is Kakshi's sharingan at an "on state" all the time then? You keep speculating and that is all you have so far.

[Yondaime]

kakashi cannot turn his sharingan off because he is not an uchiha. his sharingan was most likely implanted and he cannot turn it off because he is not an uchiha

[NarutoNineTails]

Since you know everything...u must know why Kakashi's sharingan is "on" all the time. Please tell us. I'm sure all your speculation must be true. Does sharingan turn on automatically when it gets implanted to someone else? If so couldn't lightingning country aim for any Uchiha including the unrealized sharingan? See...Yondaime...speculation is endless. I could go on and on like you but it is futile since we don't know the exact answers. I at least provide what actually happened in the anime. Who is the stubborn one that keep going on and on about speculations?

[Yondaime]

lol i dont know y kakashi cant turn off his sharingan and as to if it was implanted or not... i dont think the writer thought about wheter or not it turns on automatically if its implanted or not. but i think it is implanted becuse kakashi isnt uchiha, cant turn it off, and has a scar on his eye

[NarutoNineTails]

See Yondaime...respect my opinions and I'll respect yours also. This doesn't mean you have to agree w/ what others believe. Just express your opinions as opinions and none of this would have happened.

[Shinobi`Sora]

^^ respecting another opinion is good (*pumps fist in air* yea!) and.... kakashi, in my opinion, might loose. that or he would barely barely barely win

[Yondaime]

well lol i never disrespected your opinions until you started calling me a lazy newbie yesterday.
ok can i just present my argument about kakashi being able to finish the fight from long range? he knows over 1000 jutsu so he SHOULD have al least 1 jutsu that can beat hiashi from long range and not allow him to doge it. jutsu are not like kunai. the water jutsus that ive seen all seem to go to their opponent. and if you look at kakashi vs zabuza (part 1) you can see that the water dragons actually fight each otehr so it is like they are alive. and also the water blast no jutsu(in my mind) is undodgeable. and if sasuke caught orochimaru with those strings as he did in the forest of ddeath then maybe kakashi could do somethineg similar and kill hiashi?

actually i dont know why we keep arguing about this stuff if its not up to us who wins and it depends on the circumstances. so lets end it as: we do not know who will win. shall we?

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

personally i think it's cause kakashi is a robot, sent down by the kylathian overlords to watch over us and eventually install a government that is sympatetic to the needs of kylathians everywhere.

[Shinobi`Sora]

....d-rock....how are you feeling.. ^^;; *smiles hesitantly* (wth?! did this guy get hit on the head one to many times?) here, lemme see *check his forehead* (...........[no commet])

[Yondaime]

*wonders if D rock was the guy on the left in his sig* "hmm.... maybe?"

[Shinobi`Sora]

*blinks* maybe wut? *smiles sweetly* (wth?! this guy is talking to himself!!)

[bonkers]

I wanna see them battle , or practice , cause this fight , is one not to be missed !!!!! (It'll never happen)

Kakashi is good , but is he good enough,
Hihashi is good , but how good , we never actually see him fight , they just call him "strong", should we take their word for it ?!!?!

[64HandsOfHakke]

2) How do you know if Hiashi wasn't referred as sama before the uchiha masscre? It is your speculation again that Hiashi was not addressed as sama before the masscre.



Well I'm just going to point out, that when hiashi killed the lightning hero, it was when hinata was VERY young, too young to even be in the academy yet. That also means that sasuke couldn't have been in the academy yet(since they graduated at the same time). So the lightning event happened before the genins went into the academy, placing it before the massacre in the shows timeline.

and one more thing. if byakugan is a better eye than sharingan why is orochimaru (a very knowlegable person) after the sharingan and not the byakugan? l

Orochimaru believes that the true power of a ninja/shinobi lies within the number of techniques that he knows. With a sharingan and immortality, orochimaru could easily learn every technique(Thats not bloodline related) in existence. Thus, in his eyes, making him the most powerful.

do you know what byakugan means? it means "white eyes" byakugan is the actual eyes that the hyuuga have when they are born. they dont need to use any jutsu to have the byakugan. they need a jutsu to be able to use the abilities of the byakugn but the actual eyes they are born with are byakugan.
whereas if a uchiha is kidnapped and they try to get the secret of the sharingan they cant unless the uchiha willingly activates it like sasuke can.

Sorry, but your wrong here. The Byakugan has to be activated. Every instance it turns on, the veins around the eyes(which are probably connected to the chakra lines flowing to the eyes) bulge out. Its not always on.

The only defense you have against this statement is neji examining hinata in the chuunin exams. however, he was reading her body language and not her insides, thus allowing anyone with a basic knowledge of body language to tell her what she was thinking.

The byakugan, like the sharigan, must be turned on.

another thing, my theory to kakashi's sharingan is this. Its probably from someone who died while having the ability turned on. Thats why It wont go off, its also why kakashi doesnt have to do hand-seals to turn it on ala almost every other jutsu(save a few).

[NarutoNineTails]

The fact that Hiashi took out the "hero" of lightning village (in matter of seconds!) displays how powerful Hiashi is...unless of course, the "hero" of lightning is completely lame...which I highly doubt...why would Leaf try to preserve the peace treaty with them (by sacrificing probably one of their best shinobi in Hizashi) if the village of lightning is weak and Leaf can crush them w/ ease? Kakashi is no where near in terms of achieving the "hero" label. This is another reason why I believe Hiashi is in the same league w/ the sennins and the hokage.

[yamiazn]

..... Again as eveeryone had said they want to preserve the peace treaty even if the country is smaller then them they wouldnt want to start a war alot of ppl can die and there would be alot of damage to both side.

[NarutoNineTails]

No duh...who doesn't know this? The point I'm making is that if village of Lightning was weak, it would not have ended up in a peace treaty. Leaf would have already won the war if Lightning was weak.

[Yondaime]

u keep callin him the hero but he isnt he is just a ninja that signed the peace traty. he has NEVER been called the hero of the lighning. the kage has always been their hero

[NarutoNineTails]

Rewatch the episode Yondy. Anbu_AOne sub specifically uses the word "head ninja" to describe the ninja that came to Leaf to kidnapp Hinata. Is Kakashi a "head ninja" of Konoha?

[Bflip]

as i have told u many times before. hyuuga will be defeated by long range jutsu. and since kakashi is konohas finest skill user and he knows over 1000 jutsu he can easily make some distance between him and hiashi and use a jutsu to beat him. you seriously underestimate kakashi. kakashi is a super genius. he graduated from the academy at 5 and became a chuunin at 6.

Exactly.

[Bflip]

Rewatch the episode Yondy. Anbu_AOne sub specifically uses the word "head ninja" to describe the ninja that came to Leaf to kidnapp Hinata. Is Kakashi a "head ninja" of Konoha?

Kakashi is the most powerful and skilled jonin in Konoha. And I highly doubt the "head ninja" (a Kage or someone of that rank) was killed so easily by Hiashi. Even so, it doesn't mean that Hiashi would win 1v1. All Hiashi did was use stealth techniques to sneak up on the kidnapper, and Kakashi is most definately better at stealth.

[Raistlin]

I hate to say this AGAIN.. but I'm sticking to my theory of Sharingan being the better bloodline BUT in combat with Byakugan vs sharingan, byakugan can win (Ie, Sharingan VS Random ninja is better then Byakugan vs Random ninja)
And, just to repeat NNT's point, has ANYONE seen a fight END just with long range jutsu's?

[Bflip]

I hate to say this AGAIN.. but I'm sticking to my theory of Sharingan being the better bloodline BUT in combat with Byakugan vs sharingan, byakugan can win (Ie, Sharingan VS Random ninja is better then Byakugan vs Random ninja)
And, just to repeat NNT's point, has ANYONE seen a fight END just with long range jutsu's?

Right, we have to see a guy get killed with a long range justu to know that it is possible... V_V

And yes, Byukagan can win, it is possible. Just like Sharingan can win.

[Raistlin]

No no, i'm just saying SIMPLY AS BLOODLINES, thats where the advantages go.

[Bflip]

Even though Kakashi is at a slight disadvantage (Sharingan has it's good points too) does not mean that he's lose a fight with Hiashi. Hiashi is just no match.

BTW, anyone know what ninja rank Hiashi is? Jonin?

[Raistlin]

How is Sharingan good vs Hiashi? All it can do is "see" his movement..
Have you EVER EVER EVER seen Hiashi do a none Byakugan related move? Or neji? Or hinata?
So, Sharingans only advantage is seeing movement, which is slightly OWNED by byakugans advantage.
Anyways, I think kakashi is stronger then Hiashi WAS at 17, but at his age he's strong enough.
Kakashi is only 17, when he's say, 25, he'll own Hiashi, but ATM I don't think he has a chance.

[Xtremegamer6687]

All Hiashi did was use stealth techniques to sneak up on the kidnapper, and Kakashi is most definately better at stealth.

Hiashi didnt use stealth techniques......

The Head Ninja charged at Hiashi and Hiashi struck him in the chest.

That equalled good game.

So no Head Ninja just got owned. He didnt even scratch him.

[Bflip]

How is Sharingan good vs Hiashi? All it can do is "see" his movement..
Have you EVER EVER EVER seen Hiashi do a none Byakugan related move? Or neji? Or hinata?
So, Sharingans only advantage is seeing movement, which is slightly OWNED by byakugans advantage.
Anyways, I think kakashi is stronger then Hiashi WAS at 17, but at his age he's strong enough.
Kakashi is only 17, when he's say, 25, he'll own Hiashi, but ATM I don't think he has a chance.

Kakashi is 17?

http://anime.101main.com/fangirls/bish/kakashi/kakashibish.html
http://www.absoluteanime.com/naruto/kakashi.htm
http://www.tsukiyomi.org/kakashi/kakashi_info.htm

Taken from the "------------OFFICIAL NARUTO STATS--------------" topic:
http://www.uploadit.org/xsmracer/scan.jpg

Kakashi is 26 dude.

And I never said Sharingan had advantages over Byukagan. I said "Sharingan has it's good points too". Good point: ABILITY TO USE NEARLY ALL THE JUSTUS YOU SEE. Kakashi probably knows hundreds of techniques more than Hiashi, and there's no doubt that'll help him in a fight.

[Bflip]

All Hiashi did was use stealth techniques to sneak up on the kidnapper, and Kakashi is most definately better at stealth.

Hiashi didnt use stealth techniques......

The Head Ninja charged at Hiashi and Hiashi struck him in the chest.

That equalled good game.

So no Head Ninja just got owned. He didnt even scratch him.

It was a long time ago and my memory isn't perfect. I thought that Hiashi snuck up right to the Head Ninja's face and killed him.

So all Hiashi did was stike the Head Ninja in the chest and that's what you guys use to argue that Hiashi is stronger than Kakashi?!

[Xtremegamer6687]

So all Hiashi did was stike the Head Ninja in the chest and that's what you guys use to argue that Hiashi is stronger than Kakashi?!
Im not using that as an argument for Kakashi being weaker. Im just telling you that Hiashi did not sneak up on anyone. He owned that guy.

[narutoIZZAbest]

Hmm I think Hiashi is stronger...gentle fist style,byakugan,and the kaiten..
But the problem is that I have no way to prove that he really knows those techiniques.lol
But since is the leader for the hyuuga clan he must be really strong.

[Wee Git]

Not enough has been seen of Hiashi....Nowhere does it say that bakyuken or whatever is superior to sharingan..only in observation and analysation not overall......Neiji is said to be the most promising of the Hyuuga clan......

All we saw is hiahi beating some grunts....not that impressive....him against Kakeshi would be quite equal....don't make the mistake of putting Hiashi on sannin level..he is nothing like orochomaru etc....

I think sharingan is more potent than bakyuken (blah), its has a more prominent role in the story and seems to have more usages

[Gongo]

i just thought it was funny when tsunade heals him, she scolds him about losing to 2 guys b/c he's a super genius.. i'd say kakashi because as stated before... hyuuga is only hand to hand

[NarutoNineTails]

i just thought it was funny when tsunade heals him, she scolds him about losing to 2 guys b/c he's a super genius.. i'd say kakashi because as stated before... hyuuga is only hand to hand

Their strength is hand to hand. We don't know if they can perform other non Byakugan related ninjutsus.

As it was mentioned b4, Byakugan can be deadly against a sharingan user. Byakugan can easily exploit the biggest weakness of the sharingan. Utilizing smoke bombs or other jutsus to conceal their position is awesome against Uchihas. Byakugan can see thru anything so they face no disadvantage while Uchiha's sharingan is crippled. Even if Hyuuga doesn't utilize this tactic, how is Kakashi going to get around Hiashi's super Kaiten? We know that Kakashi's stamina is a big question mark when ever he decides to use the sharingan.

Imo, Hiashi has a huge advantage against Kakashi becasue of the said reasons. Only chance Kakashi has against Hiashi is from long distance. Can ANYONE come up with tactics and/or jutsus that can take out an elite shinobi from long distance? Good luck...especially since Hiashi has Kaiten. ;)


All we saw is hiahi beating some grunts....not that impressive....him against Kakeshi would be quite equal....don't make the mistake of putting Hiashi on sannin level..he is nothing like orochomaru etc....

I think sharingan is more potent than bakyuken (blah), its has a more prominent role in the story and seems to have more usages

I guess you r right if you consider a head ninja from a rival village a "grunt"? LOL

There is no reason not to place him w/ the Sannins. Even the Sannins would not want to fight Hiashi. One tiny little mistake and you r dead against Hiashi. If Hiashi gets close, he is at an advantage against any opponent imo. Charging an opponent isn't a hard thing for an elite shinobi. ;)

Having a bigger role in the storyline doesn't mean it is stronger. Sharingan probably does have more usages but it just doesn't match up too well against a Byakugan user.

[nawar]

first off all.....we saw kakashi strugaling with the same type of nins and so did gai....while hiashi kina whooped theyr ass noproblem....( during the chuunin exam invasion) the above is just a small opnion...

second....hiasi being the head of the clan has only to do with bearth....if he dies hinata will be the head....that doenst make her any stronger( as a person ) but still i think he definately has more power than kakashi, with all the jutsu that kakashi can do, the hyuga defence will probably defend against 90 % the other 10 % hiashi can easaly dodge, he is also fast and he has the eyes, also....kakahis is stated to know more than 1k jutsu....is it anywhere said that hiashi doesnt know more than the hyuga jutsus??? he can probably use some nifty shit aswell, but his basics are in my opinion far more advanced than kakashi

[skyz69]

i don't think the sannin would fear hiashi. i'm back yet again to my sannin=summon-big-ass-animals= own-most-things-on-the-planet-except-other-big-ass-animals theory =P

with that out of the way, hiashi's big-ass kaiten, rather than the byakugan, is his trump card in my opinion. the kaiten means its NOT hand-to-hand-combat. kaiten means a lot of the long-range jutsus would be ineffective. kaiten means almost all the ninjutsus and taijutsus i've seen in the anime and manga get owned (except for possibly an underground attack).

meanwhile byakugan gets rid of most of the genjutsus...

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

"we saw kakashi strugaling with the same type of nins and so did gai....while hiashi kina whooped theyr ass noproblem....( "

we saw hiashi fight like 3 maybe 4 squads where kakashi and gai probably fought a lot more. and they werent "struggling" at all. it was just a long fight with a lot of constant enemies coming.

[NarutoNineTails]

i don't think the sannin would fear hiashi. i'm back yet again to my sannin=summon-big-ass-animals= own-most-things-on-the-planet-except-other-big-ass-animals theory =P

with that out of the way, hiashi's big-ass kaiten, rather than the byakugan, is his trump card in my opinion. the kaiten means its NOT hand-to-hand-combat. kaiten means a lot of the long-range jutsus would be ineffective. kaiten means almost all the ninjutsus and taijutsus i've seen in the anime and manga get owned (except for possibly an underground attack).

meanwhile byakugan gets rid of most of the genjutsus...

If the Sannins and Hiashi got into a fight, I don't think the Sannins would start off the battle w/ a huge animal summoning. All shinobis so far that can summon usually do so only when it is absolutely necessary. Given this assumption, Hiashi would be someone that the Sannins would fear. If they start the battle off w/ a summon against him, that is some serious respect.

Hiashi's Kaiten is one scary move. You can't even get within 30 feet in his radius.


we saw hiashi fight like 3 maybe 4 squads where kakashi and gai probably fought a lot more. and they werent "struggling" at all. it was just a long fight with a lot of constant enemies coming.

I agree w/ this 90%. I do see a slight difference though. Hiashi faced off with 10+ nins at once. It seemed to me that they targeted Hiashi separately with a big squad specifically to deal w/ Konoha's trump card. Kakashi and Gai wasn't targeted like Hiashi imo. No other ninja was targeted like this other than trapping of the 3rd inside the barrier.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

you hyuuga whore haha ;>

(sorry for the psuedo spam but it needed to be said)

[NarutoNineTails]

As I have said before...instead of flamming, how bout trying to come up w/ better arguements D? ;)

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

that wasnt a flame just a gentle ribbing and just to stay on topic i think hiashi would win this fight, it's ignorant to think that hiashi can ONLY use the hyuuga techniques and no other jutsu. but i also think that kakashi has something up his sleeve(his 1000+ jutsus he knows) to fight hiashi...the bottom line is we havent seen enough from either person for this to be a valid discussion...but i'm leaning towards hiashi on this one.

but you ARE a hyuuga whore ;>

[NarutoNineTails]

I just defend my interpretation of the anime. From what I have seen thus far, Hyuuga are superior than Uchiha. I am not scared to change my views if Kishimoto provides info to the contrary. I've defended Sharingan before...it depends on the arguement.

Going back to topic, I never intended to sound as if this will be an easy battle for Hiashi. Kakashi is extremely smart. Technically, Hiashi has a huge advantage but that doesn't necessarily translate to Hiashi winning. Kakashi I believe has an edge in terms of the intangible factors that occur in a battle. This can play a huge role in a battle also.

[Yondaime]

I agree w/ this 90%. I do see a slight difference though. Hiashi faced off with 10+ nins at once. It seemed to me that they targeted Hiashi separately with a big squad specifically to deal w/ Konoha's trump card. Kakashi and Gai wasn't targeted like Hiashi imo. No other ninja was targeted like this other than trapping of the 3rd inside the barrier.
rofl. targeted? the guys didnt even know who he was ffs...

[NarutoNineTails]

Welcome back Yondy. I was wondering where you were...I'll be looking foward to your speculations again...very entertaining as I remember it. ;)

Please tell me if you remember anyone else being surrounded by 10+ nins during the Konoha invasion?

[Yondaime]

umm i remember shikamarus dad killing like 10 nins.... and if they were ordered to go after him then why didnt they even know who he was? im sure you know why.
and if hiashi is so strong then why did the hokage strain so much to fight orochimaru... why couldnt he leave orochimaru for hiashi to kill if hiashi is so good?

[Bflip]

i just thought it was funny when tsunade heals him, she scolds him about losing to 2 guys b/c he's a super genius.. i'd say kakashi because as stated before... hyuuga is only hand to hand

Their strength is hand to hand. We don't know if they can perform other non Byakugan related ninjutsus.

As it was mentioned b4, Byakugan can be deadly against a sharingan user. Byakugan can easily exploit the biggest weakness of the sharingan. Utilizing smoke bombs or other jutsus to conceal their position is awesome against Uchihas. Byakugan can see thru anything so they face no disadvantage while Uchiha's sharingan is crippled. Even if Hyuuga doesn't utilize this tactic, how is Kakashi going to get around Hiashi's super Kaiten? We know that Kakashi's stamina is a big question mark when ever he decides to use the sharingan.

Imo, Hiashi has a huge advantage against Kakashi becasue of the said reasons. Only chance Kakashi has against Hiashi is from long distance. Can ANYONE come up with tactics and/or jutsus that can take out an elite shinobi from long distance? Good luck...especially since Hiashi has Kaiten. ;)


All we saw is hiahi beating some grunts....not that impressive....him against Kakeshi would be quite equal....don't make the mistake of putting Hiashi on sannin level..he is nothing like orochomaru etc....

I think sharingan is more potent than bakyuken (blah), its has a more prominent role in the story and seems to have more usages

I guess you r right if you consider a head ninja from a rival village a "grunt"? LOL

There is no reason not to place him w/ the Sannins. Even the Sannins would not want to fight Hiashi. One tiny little mistake and you r dead against Hiashi. If Hiashi gets close, he is at an advantage against any opponent imo. Charging an opponent isn't a hard thing for an elite shinobi. ;)

Having a bigger role in the storyline doesn't mean it is stronger. Sharingan probably does have more usages but it just doesn't match up too well against a Byakugan user.

I've seen one of the Hokages use a technique to blind their targets, and Kakashi might be able to use that. And smoke bombs aren't that hard to counter, you just need a technique that involves moving air. You made a couple valid points (like Kaiten being OMG teh pwnz0rz and best move ever with 100% chance of complete defense and is impossible to win against. LOL), but putting Hiashi with the Sannins is LAUGHABLE. *laughs*

[Bflip]

i don't think the sannin would fear hiashi. i'm back yet again to my sannin=summon-big-ass-animals= own-most-things-on-the-planet-except-other-big-ass-animals theory =P

with that out of the way, hiashi's big-ass kaiten, rather than the byakugan, is his trump card in my opinion. the kaiten means its NOT hand-to-hand-combat. kaiten means a lot of the long-range jutsus would be ineffective. kaiten means almost all the ninjutsus and taijutsus i've seen in the anime and manga get owned (except for possibly an underground attack).

meanwhile byakugan gets rid of most of the genjutsus...

But the kaiten would be useless against a fast travelling attack because it would take at least a second to two to perform it.

[Yondaime]

yeh kakashi can probably do a binding jutsu. like orochimaru did on sakura and sasuke in the forest of death... it doesnt seem to be a very complicated jutsu since even sasuke knew its name... and kakahsi got the sharingan so he can use it

[NarutoNineTails]

umm i remember shikamarus dad killing like 10 nins.... and if they were ordered to go after him then why didnt they even know who he was? im sure you know why.
and if hiashi is so strong then why did the hokage strain so much to fight orochimaru... why couldnt he leave orochimaru for hiashi to kill if hiashi is so good?

Shika's dad had 3 nins captured in his shadow. Hiashi killed 3 nins before being surrounded by 10+ nins. Hiashi was dealing w/ more than 3 TIMES as many nins at once.

We don't know if the nins knew or didn't know Hiashi. I said that it SEEMED like Hiashi was targeted because there was much more nins attacking Hiashi at ONE TIME than any other ninja during the Konoha invasion. What's your explanation for why ONLY Hiashi being attacked by so many nins simultaneously?

Orochimaru devised a strategy and plan to trap the 3rd by himself which was successful. I'm sure if Hiashi was assigned to kill Orochimaru by the 3rd he would have accepted such a mission. The problem is Orochimaru isn't someone you can find just by searching for him on a normal day. As I told you before, Hiashi's primary pupose for Konoha is to protect Hyuuga and Byakugan's secrets.

[Yondaime]

hiashi killed over 10 right? "he killed most" lol umm kakashi and gai had killed over 20 like 5 mins after they had started. and if the people are going: there is only one enemy, what are you doing?! you think they know who he is?
lol ive stopped arguin with u cos u dont have common sense... i know that and someone else has also told me to stop dragging myself down 2 ur level.
and you only saw shikamarus dad holding 3... you think that if he killed 3 in like 5 seconds he didnt kill more?. oh yea.. shikamarus dad will kill 3 ninjas when his town is under attack and then go away...

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

"What's your explanation for why ONLY Hiashi being attacked by so many nins simultaneously? "

the comrades of the orignal 4 nins that were ownd saw what happened and decided to try to overwhelm hiashi, without much luck. if hiashi was a "target" the nins that attacked him would have known about the kaiten and wouldnt have rushed right in.

[Yondaime]

kk jus think about this: its a bloody anime. they got hiashi surrounded because they wanted to hsow his kaiten... ur the one with not enough common sense to notice that nnt. and also i remember when you argued with me saying that his house is outside the village because he used his kaiten in an open space... that scene was not meant to mean anythjing. it was situated in that place so that hiashi could use his kaiten. and they circled him so taht hiashi could use kaiten... none of ur stupid theories... its a cartoon. kishimoto doenst ook into every single scene and think about it like u do with evry single on with hyuuga involved. that scene was merely to show hiashi fighting the nins with kaiten

[NarutoNineTails]

I've seen one of the Hokages use a technique to blind their targets, and Kakashi might be able to use that. And smoke bombs aren't that hard to counter, you just need a technique that involves moving air. You made a couple valid points (like Kaiten being OMG teh pwnz0rz and best move ever with 100% chance of complete defense and is impossible to win against. LOL), but putting Hiashi with the Sannins is LAUGHABLE. *laughs*

Wow, you always seem to bring about the best counter arguements! LOL Yondy even does better job than you bflip. I haven't seen one post that you can back up w/ anything.

Kage using a tech to blind a target? When was this ever used? Do you mean the total darkness jutsu performed by one of the resurrected Kages against the 3rd? If you are, that is advantageous for Hyuuga. lol

Oh and we saw Kakashi blowing away the mist against Zabuza right? Sry...I forgot about that...lol

All you did here was flame me but you brought no arguements for yourself. How weak is that? ;)

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

yondy wins this arguement with his cartoon arguement hahaha. we are all dorks to the trekkie degree.

[Yondaime]

Yondy even does better job than you bflip.

was that meant to be an insult? wow i feel very insulted :roll: ... lol i ent sinking down 2 ur lvl


Kage using a tech to blind a target? When was this ever used? Do you mean the total darkness jutsu performed by one of the resurrected Kages against the 3rd? If you are, that is advantageous for Hyuuga. lol

umm i dont know if a hokage used it but orochimaru defiitely did. and you keep thinking of people as fools... he saw the third move in the darkness so he knows its not a binding technique...

yondy wins this arguement with his cartoon arguement hahaha. we are all dorks to the trekkie degree.
heh. ty dude :D

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

well isnt oro the leader of the sound villiage, technically i guess that makes him a kage.

[NarutoNineTails]

There are 2 stages to Kaiten displayed by Neji. 1st is the chakra shield around the user as shown by Neji when he first used Kaiten against Naruto. 2nd stage is the spin.

1st stage of Kaiten can be "on" instantly as shown by Neji against Naruto.

How do you know if Kishimoto did what he did Yondy? I said I was speculating about Hiashi being target due to the fact that he was surrounded by more ninjas than anyone at once during the Konoha invasion. It is a legitimate speculation. I can't prove why Kishimoto did it but you surely can't prove that Kishimoto showed that scene to JUST show Kaiten either. Kaiten was already shown by Neji earlier too.

Kaiten is a secret technique. Hyuuga are pretty secretive to begin with anyways. Ninjas outside Konoha probably didn't know about it or didn't know how powerful Hiashi's version was.

[Yondaime]

i thought there were only 5 kages? yea the leaders of the 5 major villages are kages... the other ones are nothing... lol. kazegage, mizukage, hokage, raikage and tsuchikage.
mizu = water rai= thunder. the name corresponds to the country they are in. so if i am not mistaken then: ho = fire, kaze = wind and tsuchi = earth


its common sense... a scene like 10 seconds long back most of ur arguments about everything... lol like the one where u said that hiashi is hokage level because he lives outside the village or something...
rofl its a 10 second scene where hiashi gets attacked and uses kaiten on sum idiots

[NarutoNineTails]

hiashi killed over 10 right? "he killed most" lol umm kakashi and gai had killed over 20 like 5 mins after they had started. and if the people are going: there is only one enemy, what are you doing?! you think they know who he is?
lol ive stopped arguin with u cos u dont have common sense... i know that and someone else has also told me to stop dragging myself down 2 ur level.
and you only saw shikamarus dad holding 3... you think that if he killed 3 in like 5 seconds he didnt kill more?. oh yea.. shikamarus dad will kill 3 ninjas when his town is under attack and then go away...

Hey Yondy, you should read what I write more carefully. It seemed like Shika, Ino, and Chouji's dad was part of the counterattack looking for enemies. Hiashi was being attacked by 10+ nins SIMULTANEOUSLY! I mentioned that word or "at once" repeatedly in my arguement. We were only shown 1 ninja that had to fight off that many opponents AT ONCE and that is a fact.

[Yondaime]

lol as i said before... ITS A CARTOON get that into ur thick skull somehow or other. they are merely attacking him to demonstrate the kaiten...

oh yeah... and if hyuuga is so important then why didnt a band of anbu rush to protect hiashi and his daughter like they did to the hokage?

[NarutoNineTails]

its common sense... a scene like 10 seconds long back most of ur arguments about everything... lol like the one where u said that hiashi is hokage level because he lives outside the village or something...
rofl its a 10 second scene where hiashi gets attacked and uses kaiten on sum idiots

Hmm, has anyone commented on your arguements being really good? Recently, I've had 3 different people tell me I do a really good job of defending my arguements. Do you want me to tell you who they are? I don't remember anyone commenting positively about the way you present your arguements.

If you want to go back to our past arguements I'll gladly do so. I ripped apart your past arguements as I remember it. ;)

It doesn't matter if it was 10 seconds or 1 as long as it is infomation that can be interpreted.


Edit:
lol as i said before... ITS A CARTOON get that into ur thick skull somehow or other. they are merely attacking him to demonstrate the kaiten...

oh yeah... and if hyuuga is so important then why didnt a band of anbu rush to protect hiashi and his daughter like they did to the hokage?

Oh sure Yondy...prove that it was just to "demonstrate the kaiten" when Kaiten was introduced earlier by Neji.

I never disputed the fact that Hokage is more important than Hiashi. Of course all the ANBU went to protect Hokage. As it was shown, Hiashi can defend himself.

[Yondaime]

lol you keep assuming u ripped apart my arguments.. seriously you are stupid... you are so stupid that you dont notice that this is a cartoon. "hiashi was in the open because his house is nearby". wdf is that man. have you ever seen kaiten used near a wall? NO. tahts y it was in the open. so that it can be used. DUH! why were they surrounding him? 3 people cant surround him like that... its trying to show the effectiveness of the kaiten by havin about 10 ppl around him.

1 second doesnt this show taht hiashi is weak? he needs kaiten to beat a few chuunins... kakashi beats over 50 with taijutsu... lol

"Of course all the ANBU went to protect Hokage. As it was shown, Hiashi can defend himself."
umm actually you see 1 anbu squad going to the hokage and they told the other squad to take the lower floor or something... and are you trying to say that hiashi can defend himself and the hokage cant? wow ur worse than i thought

[NarutoNineTails]

lol you keep assuming u ripped apart my arguments.. seriously you are stupid... you are so stupid that you dont notice that this is a cartoon. "hiashi was in the open because his house is nearby". wdf is that man. have you ever seen kaiten used near a wall? NO. tahts y it was in the open. so that it can be used. DUH! why were they surrounding him? 3 people cant surround him like that... its trying to show the effectiveness of the kaiten by havin about 10 ppl around him.

1 second doesnt this show taht hiashi is weak? he needs kaiten to beat a few chuunins... kakashi beats over 50 with taijutsu... lol

You keep missing the point. Hiashi could have done the exact same thing Kakashi did. The fact still remains that the anime didn't show any other ninja being attacked by that many opponents at once. THAT'S A FACT so live with it.



"Of course all the ANBU went to protect Hokage. As it was shown, Hiashi can defend himself."
umm actually you see 1 anbu squad going to the hokage and they told the other squad to take the lower floor or something... and are you trying to say that hiashi can defend himself and the hokage cant? wow ur worse than i thought

I never said Hokage can't defend himself but he is the Kage. Kages always get more protection than anyone else. THIS IS COMMON SENSE...your arguement is idiotic. lol

Why would they be trying to show off Kaiten when it was already introduced by Neji earlier?

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

NNT you didnt reply to my speculation of why he was attacked by so many.

[NarutoNineTails]

NNT you didnt reply to my speculation of why he was attacked by so many.

Yes I did D. I already posted the following:

Kaiten is a secret technique. Hyuuga are pretty secretive to begin with anyways. Ninjas outside Konoha probably didn't know about it or didn't know how powerful Hiashi's version is.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

THUSLY he wasnt targeted making my speculation stronger/

[NarutoNineTails]

THUSLY he wasnt targeted making my speculation stronger/

Good one D. Trying to use my arguement against me. ^^

All I said is that the sand Ninjas didn't know about Kaiten or didn't know how strong it was. From what was shown, he still COULD have been targeted which is supported by the fact that largest # of enemies simultaneously attacked him when no one else was shown that way.

[skyz69]

the cartoon and trekkie dorks thing was good lol, but it also negates the entire point of most of this forum. with that argument, there's not much reason to discuss anything..! even though its probably true, that a lot of the things that happen is because kishimoto wants to show off his characters etc etc... its more fun to pretend he has it all worked out in his head, and we have to figure it out XD

heh see i've always had a gripe against soldier pills (and jutsu watching)... i've said it before... but one day kishimoto and his editors could just as well wake up on the wrong side of their bed, and make konohamaru eat 3000 soldier pills... beat itachi... marry sakura.... etc etc XD XD

if we are going to discuss it tho, we'll need some good backed-up evidence... and the recognition that it's still opinion, especially since the manga isn't finished!!

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

IF he was targeted, they would have known about him and his technique. i think my speculation is the best explaination of why so many attacked him. but yondaime's cartoon theory is good too...it was just so kishimoto could show off the adults techniques and it shouldnt be so closely scrutinized.

i must say the "Cartoon theory" is yondaime's BEST arguement he has ever made on this board....then again its prolly his only good one. hahaha jk

[NarutoNineTails]

It is true that they were showing off the "parent shinobis" of Konoha. My point is that there were subtle differences in how it was presented that can be interpreted favorably towards Hiashi in comparison to other "parent shinobis".

[Yondaime]

listen... common sense: its a cartoon... hiashi has a move which can knock out opponents all around him... to show how effective it is, they got him circled by over 10 enemies. you think he can be circled like that by 3 enemies?

and if he could kill all of them without using kaiten then y did he use it? :roll:

[NarutoNineTails]

listen... common sense: its a cartoon... hiashi has a move which can knock out opponents all around him... to show how effective it is, they got him circled by over 10 enemies. you think he can be circled like that by 3 enemies?

and if he could kill all of them without using kaiten then y did he use it? :roll:

Why did Neji use Kaiten against Naruto? Because he wanted to. Why did Hiashi use it? Because he wanted to. Both decided the situation was good for using it. And 3 opponents can be attacking from different positions at once to show off Hiashi's Kaiten also. The fact still stands that he was attacked at once by the largest number of opponents.

My question is why wasn't someone else in a situation like this? Hiashi was shown imo in the worst situation of the "Konoha parents" and he got out of it w/ ease.

Even the people who agree with your views think that in general your arguements are usually pretty bad.

[Yondaime]

because they wanted to show the effectiveness of the move... u are seriously stupid... there were over 10 because they wanted to show how effective the move is and so they got him completely surrounded so that he can use it and blow them all away. all the parents can get out of that situation.
shikas dad- shadow strangle all of them
inos dad- mind confuse like 5 of them
choujis dad- supersize and squash them
kibas mum- use a move similar to kiba and akamarus spinning move

hiashi only had 10 people around him so taht he can do kaiten and beat them all... to show the effectiveness of kaiten


btw can i ask u a question?.... do u even have a triple digit IQ?

[NarutoNineTails]

What does IQ have to do w/ anything?

I know that it was showing off Kaiten. My point is that there are subtle facts there that can be interpreted more deeply. That's what we do here in this forum. You got a problem w/ this? If you do then stop participating. lol

No one else was shown to be surrounded by so many opponents? What can you deny here? My speculation is based on what was shown from the anime. The facts of what was shown from the anime supports my speculation. What do you have that I already didn't know? What do you have FROM the anime that counters this speculation?

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

to be exact he had 17 people around him not 10.

[NarutoNineTails]

all the parents can get out of that situation.
shikas dad- shadow strangle all of them
inos dad- mind confuse like 5 of them
choujis dad- supersize and squash them
kibas mum- use a move similar to kiba and akamarus spinning move



I never said that other parents could not get out of it but stop making assumptions:
shika's dad - we don't know how many he can capture at once and can he do it effectively around him where he can't see?
ino's dad - we don't know how many he can confuse at once and can he effectively confuse those behind him that he can't see?
choujis dad - I agree it would be easy for him also but as effective as Kaiten?
kibas mom - ditto as chouji's dad.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

choji's dad took out at least 5 when he did the multisize not to mention how many he took out with each swing of his bo. who is to say there were many surrounding him and i wouldnt put choji's dad at one of the strongest in the villiage.

[Yondaime]

i was jus wondering... cos it seems to me that your IQ is a 1 digit integer

but this should not be interpreted in depth because interpreting this in depth is stupid... you fail to get it that this part was just simply made to show off everybodys moves and whatnot... but you seem to have a skull 3 inches thick....

there are some things that are in the anime that should be looked into in depth... and discussed... but not stupid things like: "a squadron was sent after hiashi because he was attacked by 10 ppl at once".... thats just stupid. ffs they didnt know who he is.... if they say: there is only one enemy what are you doing? then they dont know who he is... if it was a squadron sent specifically after him then they would know about his kaiten and would know that he is strong... but its no use talking to you... have you ever considered boxing? cos u have a 3 inch thick skull u cant get brain damage

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

with the exception of his flaming yondaime's last post is 100% right. now lets just DROP IT.

[NarutoNineTails]

The fact still remains that other parents were not attacked like Hiashi. There can be subtle meaning to this where Kishimoto might be trying to portray that Hiashi as being superior to other konoha parents. I backed this point with what was shown from the anime like I almost always do. You nor no one can disprove this subtle point except Kishimoto. Nice try though. ;)

What you think as stupid is stupid? Believe what you want but you can't disprove anything I said. lol

"there is only one enemy what are you doing? then they dont know who he is... "

The sand nin said this after 3-4 got owned by gentle fist. Imo, he is responding to how easily those 3-4 nins that got owned. The sand nin said this BEFORE they surrounded Hiashi.

"if it was a squadron sent specifically after him then they would know about his kaiten and would know that he is strong"

Speculation again...

You resort to flaming because you can't back up your points. Weak again Yondy. ;)

[Yondaime]

if they know he is strong and send a squadron after him then they would at leasst know his moves... common sense... orochimaru knows hyuuga moves... so he would tell his men about the moves. the men dont even know who he is ffs. get that thru ur thick skull! THEY DONT KNOW WHO HE IS!!! lol u r so idiotic

[NarutoNineTails]

Prove that sand nins didn't know Hiashi. Go ahead. lol

Edit:
Prove that Orochimaru knew how powerful Hiashi's Kaiten is?

Those were sand nins i believe. They probably did not even meet Oro.

You try really hard to make my point sound idiotic but my interpretation is legit. You can't disprove anything. What have I mentioned that isn't logical?

[Raistlin]

i was jus wondering... cos it seems to me that your IQ is a integer

Hahaha, this flame is GENIUS!
I love this, I won't post on topic here, because I don't want to get involved, but I love that.
You DO realize an integer is a whole number? Like -10, 10, 1000.
All of those are integers.. So unless it's an insult not to have an iq that is 110.2323523050 (Continuing random numbers)...
Lol, love that..

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

they were sand nins..there were 5 that attacked him first then 17.

NNT you keep drifting from your original arguements. this whole topic needs to be locked.

[NarutoNineTails]

i was jus wondering... cos it seems to me that your IQ is a integer

Hahaha, this flame is GENIUS!
I love this, I won't post on topic here, because I don't want to get involved, but I love that.
You DO realize an integer is a whole number? Like -10, 10, 1000.
All of those are integers.. So unless it's an insult not to have an iq that is 110.2323523050 (Continuing random numbers)...
Lol, love that..

LOL...If you r gonna flame do it right Yondy. ;)

Edit:
they were sand nins..there were 5 that attacked him first then 17.

NNT you keep drifting from your original arguements. this whole topic needs to be locked.

I don't think drifting is the correct phrase. I was refining my points so that it could be better understood. I still stand behind my orignial arguement that a large group could have been assigned to take out Hiashi from what we saw from the anime.

[narutoIZZAbest]

i was jus wondering... cos it seems to me that your IQ is a integer

Hahaha, this flame is GENIUS!
I love this, I won't post on topic here, because I don't want to get involved, but I love that.
You DO realize an integer is a whole number? Like -10, 10, 1000.
All of those are integers.. So unless it's an insult not to have an iq that is 110.2323523050 (Continuing random numbers)...
Lol, love that..
Huh?How did this topic start? :?

[Raistlin]

No, i meant get involved in their argument..

[Bflip]

umm i remember shikamarus dad killing like 10 nins.... and if they were ordered to go after him then why didnt they even know who he was? im sure you know why.
and if hiashi is so strong then why did the hokage strain so much to fight orochimaru... why couldnt he leave orochimaru for hiashi to kill if hiashi is so good?

Shika's dad had 3 nins captured in his shadow. Hiashi killed 3 nins before being surrounded by 10+ nins. Hiashi was dealing w/ more than 3 TIMES as many nins at once.

We don't know if the nins knew or didn't know Hiashi. I said that it SEEMED like Hiashi was targeted because there was much more nins attacking Hiashi at ONE TIME than any other ninja during the Konoha invasion. What's your explanation for why ONLY Hiashi being attacked by so many nins simultaneously?

Because guess what: THIS IS AN ANIME, NOT REAL LIFE. Of course the animators wanted the Konoha ninjas to look cool. What, do you think that none of the other village's ninjas knew special attacks and bloodlines? Hiashi shows his best at multiple targets because his kaiten's powers are used to the fullest and looks the best. Kakashi's specialties is taking out opponents one at a time, which is why the animators did that. In fact, Kakashi and Gai were PLAYING AROUND when fighting the invaders. They were having a contest to see who could kill the most.

[Bflip]

lol as i said before... ITS A CARTOON get that into ur thick skull somehow or other. they are merely attacking him to demonstrate the kaiten...

oh yeah... and if hyuuga is so important then why didnt a band of anbu rush to protect hiashi and his daughter like they did to the hokage?

Yes, my point exactly.

[NarutoNineTails]

D,

22 ninjas? That is much more than I had remembered.

22 ninjas concentrating on defeating ONE Konoha shinobi at the SAME time? Hmm...i think this FACT further supports my speculation...don't you think? I wonder what the chance is that 22 sand nins being around JUST Hiashi if it wasn't planned in the first place? At least the feat is more impressive than what was shown for the other parents now. ;)

[Bflip]

The fact still remains that other parents were not attacked like Hiashi. There can be subtle meaning to this where Kishimoto might be trying to portray that Hiashi as being superior to other konoha parents. I backed this point with what was shown from the anime like I almost always do. You nor no one can disprove this subtle point except Kishimoto. Nice try though. ;)

What you think as stupid is stupid? Believe what you want but you can't disprove anything I said. lol

"there is only one enemy what are you doing? then they dont know who he is... "

The sand nin said this after 3-4 got owned by gentle fist. Imo, he is responding to how easily those 3-4 nins that got owned. The sand nin said this BEFORE they surrounded Hiashi.

"if it was a squadron sent specifically after him then they would know about his kaiten and would know that he is strong"

Speculation again...

You resort to flaming because you can't back up your points. Weak again Yondy. ;)

"You resort to flaming because you can't back up your points. Weak again Yondy."

Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Holy crap. Wow. This guy is amazing. He trolls like a bitch and then critisizes others of flaming. NNT, you're asking to be flamed with all your ";) ;) ;)"'s.

And yes, you're absolutely right. Hiashi is one of the stronger Konoha parents. What's your fucking point? What does that have to do against Kakashi, the strongest Jonin?

[Bflip]

D,

22 ninjas? That is much more than I had remembered.

22 ninjas concentrating on defeating ONE Konoha shinobi at the SAME time? Hmm...i think this FACT further supports my speculation...don't you think? I wonder what the chance is that 22 sand nins being around JUST Hiashi if it wasn't planned in the first place? At least the feat is more impressive than what was shown for the other parents now. ;)

Yes, this anime really doens't make that much sense. You shouldn't make Naruto your bible.

[NarutoNineTails]

My my...relax their b-flip...u flippin man! ;)

Imo, Naruto has been pretty realistic and common sense does apply to MOST cases. Just because you disagree doesn't mean "this anime really doens't make that much sense". Try to argue better B.

lol as i said before... ITS A CARTOON get that into ur thick skull somehow or other. they are merely attacking him to demonstrate the kaiten...

oh yeah... and if hyuuga is so important then why didnt a band of anbu rush to protect hiashi and his daughter like they did to the hokage?

Yes, my point exactly.

So funny...did you read my counter arguement? This was one of Yondy's worst arguement thus far. You chose the worst arguement to agree with! LOL

I repeat what I said earlier:
I never disputed the fact that Hokage is more important than Hiashi. Of course all the ANBU went to protect Hokage. Kages always get more protection than anyone else. THIS IS COMMON SENSE...your arguement is idiotic. lol As it was shown, Hiashi can defend himself.

I'm asking to be flamed? Maybe so but there is no rule against sarcasm. There is one for flamming. Tread wisely. ;)

Edit:
I'm out for now...see yall later. :D

[ColdFire]

hmm well i say who cares? they are both good, kakashi would probably win as he has an advantage by using ranged attacks.

[narutoIZZAbest]

No actually,Kakashi is good with both.But I think Hiashi will win if it was only a close range battle.

[Bflip]

My my...relax their b-flip...u flippin man! ;)

Imo, Naruto has been pretty realistic and common sense does apply to MOST cases. Just because you disagree doesn't mean "this anime really doens't make that much sense". Try to argue better B.

lol as i said before... ITS A CARTOON get that into ur thick skull somehow or other. they are merely attacking him to demonstrate the kaiten...

oh yeah... and if hyuuga is so important then why didnt a band of anbu rush to protect hiashi and his daughter like they did to the hokage?

Yes, my point exactly.

So funny...did you read my counter arguement? This was one of Yondy's worst arguement thus far. You chose the worst arguement to agree with! LOL

I repeat what I said earlier:
I never disputed the fact that Hokage is more important than Hiashi. Of course all the ANBU went to protect Hokage. Kages always get more protection than anyone else. THIS IS COMMON SENSE...your arguement is idiotic. lol As it was shown, Hiashi can defend himself.

I'm asking to be flamed? Maybe so but there is no rule against sarcasm. There is one for flamming. Tread wisely. ;)

Edit:
I'm out for now...see yall later. :D

1) I wasn't agreeing with the Hokage's protection part of his post. :roll:
2) "Your arguement is idiotic" is pretty much flaming and I can say the same to you. :roll:
3) Like always, your post has nothing to do with Kakashi, and does not compare Hiashi to Kakashi at all. In fact, I think it's been quite a while since you've said anything about Hiashi being more powerful than Kakashi it's like you're argueing that Hiashi's Kaiten is stronger than most other parent's moves, which we already agree with. You just ramble on and on about how there were a few more enemies surrounding Hiashi.
4) You're talking more trash about our "arguements" than the topic. You want to make a point? Then make one that is significant. No one cares about the story having Hiashi take on several guys at the same time just because Hiashi can show off his special move anymore. :lol:

[NarutoNineTails]

1) I wasn't agreeing with the Hokage's protection part of his post. :roll:

You said you agreed. How are others supposed to know if you were agreeing to just one of what YOU quoted if you didn't say so? You correct yourself now...good job! *clapping* ;)


2) "Your arguement is idiotic" is pretty much flaming and I can say the same to you. :roll:

I already mentioned then that I'm quoting what I responded TO Yondy. I never flamed you b-flip. ;)

Also if you want to compare the amount of flaming between me and Yondy...go ahead. Yondy does so much more than me but he can't even do it properly...like when he tried to use 'integer' to TRY to make fun of me. You got me Yondy...my IQ is just an interger...LOL.


3) Like always, your post has nothing to do with Kakashi, and does not compare Hiashi to Kakashi at all. In fact, I think it's been quite a while since you've said anything about Hiashi being more powerful than Kakashi it's like you're argueing that Hiashi's Kaiten is stronger than most other parent's moves, which we already agree with. You just ramble on and on about how there were a few more enemies surrounding Hiashi.

Go read the earlier pages of this thread and see if I didn't already address the issue of Hiashi vs Kakashi directly? I'm not gonna try to double post and repeat the same things I mentioned earlier.

Isn't this thread about which character is stronger? I was just trying to introduce other facts from the anime that can provide more support for why Hiashi is stronger.

"Few more enemies surrounding Hiashi"? I guess for you fighting against 22 enemies at once is the equivalent to fighting against "few more" enemies. Good anology! *standing ovation* ;)



4) You're talking more trash about our "arguements" than the topic. You want to make a point? Then make one that is significant. No one cares about the story having Hiashi take on several guys at the same time just because Hiashi can show off his special move anymore. :lol:

Just look at the responses that it generated and you say "no one cares"? "No one cares" and YOU respond to it? Good point hypocrite~ ;)

You sure you want to talk about making points? Of all people YOU are telling me how to make a point? As I have said before, you are worse than Yondy in presenting your arguements imo. Even within the past couple of weeks, I remember one liner posts from you answering the thread without ANY explanations. Ask Raistlin, sky69, Lukasz, or D-rock (Amatsu Mikaboshi now) and see if I don't make points and/or provide support for my arguements? I've been complimented by 2 of the 4 mentioned here about the way I back up my points.


Let's look at some of your recent posts shall we?:


Thread: kakashi vs kabuto..who would win?

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject:

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I voted Kakashi because he's so badass and is one of the main characters.


Thread: GAI VS ITACHI

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject:

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Itachi is just way too strong.



-> You tell me to make a point "that is significant"?? These are by far the most significant points that I've read in this forum...keep it up! ;)



Thread: 3 current Gods!!!

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:28 pm Post subject:

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NarutoNineTails wrote:
I know i'm gonna get my usual, "u r crazy" responses but Hiashi belongs there.

You're crazy.

And hossam, why didn't you put who you thought was the strongest in your FIRST post?


-> Another very insightful post b-flip! ;)


If you disagree w/ my interpretation...how bout providing a convincing counter arguement instead of all this flaming? Or is it that you are incompetent to do so? Flame away as much as you want but you'll look more retarded in the process...just like Yondy. ;)

[Bflip]

1) I wasn't agreeing with the Hokage's protection part of his post. :roll:

You said you agreed. How are others supposed to know if you were agreeing to just one of what YOU quoted if you didn't say so? You correct yourself now...good job! *clapping* ;)


2) "Your arguement is idiotic" is pretty much flaming and I can say the same to you. :roll:

I already mentioned then that I'm quoting what I responded TO Yondy. I never flamed you b-flip. ;)

Also if you want to compare the amount of flaming between me and Yondy...go ahead. Yondy does so much more than me but he can't even do it properly...like when he tried to use 'integer' to TRY to make fun of me. You got me Yondy...my IQ is just an interger...LOL.


3) Like always, your post has nothing to do with Kakashi, and does not compare Hiashi to Kakashi at all. In fact, I think it's been quite a while since you've said anything about Hiashi being more powerful than Kakashi it's like you're argueing that Hiashi's Kaiten is stronger than most other parent's moves, which we already agree with. You just ramble on and on about how there were a few more enemies surrounding Hiashi.

Go read the earlier pages of this thread and see if I didn't already address the issue of Hiashi vs Kakashi directly? I'm not gonna try to double post and repeat the same things I mentioned earlier.

Isn't this thread about which character is stronger? I was just trying to introduce other facts from the anime that can provide more support for why Hiashi is stronger.

"Few more enemies surrounding Hiashi"? I guess for you fighting against 22 enemies at once is the equivalent to fighting against "few more" enemies. Good anology! *standing ovation* ;)



4) You're talking more trash about our "arguements" than the topic. You want to make a point? Then make one that is significant. No one cares about the story having Hiashi take on several guys at the same time just because Hiashi can show off his special move anymore. :lol:

Just look at the responses that it generated and you say "no one cares"? "No one cares" and YOU respond to it? Good point hypocrite~ ;)

You sure you want to talk about making points? Of all people YOU are telling me how to make a point? As I have said before, you are worse than Yondy in presenting your arguements imo. Even within the past couple of weeks, I remember one liner posts from you answering the thread without ANY explanations. Ask Raistlin, sky69, Lukasz, or D-rock (Amatsu Mikaboshi now) and see if I don't make points and/or provide support for my arguements? I've been complimented by 2 of the 4 mentioned here about the way I back up my points.


Let's look at some of your recent posts shall we?:


Thread: kakashi vs kabuto..who would win?

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject:

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I voted Kakashi because he's so badass and is one of the main characters.


Thread: GAI VS ITACHI

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject:

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Itachi is just way too strong.



-> You tell me to make a point "that is significant"?? These are by far the most significant points that I've read in this forum...keep it up! ;)



Thread: 3 current Gods!!!

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:28 pm Post subject:

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NarutoNineTails wrote:
I know i'm gonna get my usual, "u r crazy" responses but Hiashi belongs there.

You're crazy.

And hossam, why didn't you put who you thought was the strongest in your FIRST post?


-> Another very insightful post b-flip! ;)


If you disagree w/ my interpretation...how bout providing a convincing counter arguement instead of all this flaming? Or is it that you are incompetent to do so? Flame away as much as you want but you'll look more retarded in the process...just like Yondy. ;)Looks like NNT's eye twitching problem is back, but I ain't going to read that long ass pointless message. GG

[Bflip]

Ooo, I read that last statement. Was that a flame just now? Weak indeed. ;)

[NarutoNineTails]

Try to understand what I wrote instead of trying to take it out of context. I said IF you flame...you'll look retarded in the process of flaming someone. It was a generalization. Did I say you are retarded? I'm saying that people who flame because they can't provide effective counter arguements are retarded. I think most people would agree...don't you think? ;)

I'm waiting flip...where is your counter arguement? Or r u running away? ;)

[Bflip]

By the way:

If Kakashi just did Kage Bunshin and made about 1000 of himself, and 10 Kakashi's threw a Kunai at Hiashi every second (There are 10,000s of Kunais), don't know how Hiashi can get out of that. I'm sure he'd run out of chakra if he kept using Kaiten before Kakashi runs out of Kunai. Not to mention Kakashi can also most likely use Sasuke's fireball projectile attack at Hiashi. 2-4 of those fireballs or 1-3 Kunais is all it takes.

[Bflip]

Try to