Neiji VS Gaara

[Raistlin]

Who do you all think would win? and why? Neiji is supposed to be stronger then sasuke who MAY have beat Gaara, but Sasuke was stronger when he returned.. Neji is probably the better ninja as he has room to improve whereas Gaara is pretty maxed in Demon form.. But the sand would block his 1 hit moves because they are slower.. The different between their absolute defences is Neiji's Kaiten damages you, Gaara's (the ball 1) is just a wall, not chakra and physical, however the sand requires no chakra so could be used constantly. I'm gonna say Gaara would win but Neji will eventually become much stronger.

[Anonymous]

NEJI!!!

[AWings]

no way gaara rocks if he trains a bit more he will kick anyones ass neji doesnt stand a chance vs gaara he is too slow

[«Shîñôßì»]

im pretty sure neji would lose.
i dont think he could break garra's defences.

[«Äñßû»]

i think that Neji would win. Gaara's sand may be as fast as Neji, but if kaiten wasused close to Gaara, the sand wouldnt be a able to stand up to the attack.

[psypho]

in differenc in power and pure raw energy of chakra, it would have to be Gaara. Like Naruto, it seems that Gaara uses little to none of his own human chakra, but uses the full-on power of the demon's natural power. And like Naruto's demon, its en-exhaustable in supply- it never runs out because it belongs to a super-sized freakich demon- not a puny human. its only limitation is also the same for Naruto. The human medium's indurance in a physical fight and its ability to cope and control a large power supply. The question is of control and accuracy. Gaara has his power based primarily in defence and his accuracy in attack was well up to par, if not far more impressive for someone who is demonicaly possessed. But the flaw is that he lashes out and kills almost indiscriminantly. if any member of the Sand Village got in his way of a kill, he would not stop or hesitate in impaling them, even if they are of his own team. That and the fact that he has no heart or reason to his madness. for someone that unstable, they are most likely to make the wrong decision at the most critical of times, like the fight with Naruto. As he continued to fail to kill Naruto out right, he only lost further control and when he couldn't handle it no more- he just let "it" out- and that thing was out of its mind.

[Raistlin]

in differenc in power and pure raw energy of chakra, it would have to be Gaara. Like Naruto, it seems that Gaara uses little to none of his own human chakra, but uses the full-on power of the demon's natural power. And like Naruto's demon, its en-exhaustable in supply- it never runs out because it belongs to a super-sized freakich demon- not a puny human. its only limitation is also the same for Naruto. The human medium's indurance in a physical fight and its ability to cope and control a large power supply. The question is of control and accuracy. Gaara has his power based primarily in defence and his accuracy in attack was well up to par, if not far more impressive for someone who is demonicaly possessed. But the flaw is that he lashes out and kills almost indiscriminantly. if any member of the Sand Village got in his way of a kill, he would not stop or hesitate in impaling them, even if they are of his own team. That and the fact that he has no heart or reason to his madness. for someone that unstable, they are most likely to make the wrong decision at the most critical of times, like the fight with Naruto. As he continued to fail to kill Naruto out right, he only lost further control and when he couldn't handle it no more- he just let "it" out- and that thing was out of its mind.

I don't agree. The demon inside Gaara in my opinion was much weaker. The ninetails chakra is also not unlimited, it is immeasurable. There is a key difference.

Sand shield would not stand up to kaiten, but Neiji would not get close enough to use it. He's not an amazingly fast rock lee.

[Gongo]

gaara definatly. neiji is a hand to hand but without the speed of lee. he cant press all 64 tenketsu (sp?) because gaara has 1 an automatic sand wall, and 2 because he also has that layer covering his body. gaara would jsut do his sand tomb thing and even if neiji used kaiten, the sand would just contain him until he couldnt spin anymore and then just crush him. As i see it, neiji probably couldnt even get close to gaara

[psypho]

okay, immeasurable- so that means that it could be limitless. you didn't say for sure, so its still speculation. as for Neji, his attacks are solely close combat, so even if he managed to get close, he'd be skewered in less than a minute in
Gaara's circle of defence.

[Anonymous]

Not unless he's strong enough to survive...

[psypho]

okay, if he can heal himself from a serious mortal wound inflicted by super-uber sharp knives and spikes of sand that can form in no less than a second of Gaara thinking it- SURE!!! (thats sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

yeah yeah yeah...what ever...

[NarutoNineTails]

This fight depends on quite a lot of factors. If Garra is able to transform into any of the demon forms, edge definitely goes to Garra. Even though this is the case, I think Neji has a very good chance to prevent Garra from transforming. We saw from Sasuke and Naruto that if Garra receives damage he can't transform or loses his transformation.

I believe Neji can inflict damage to Garra so that he can't transform. My reasons why are:

1) Neji is not faster than Lee but is as fast...probably. He seemed lot faster than Naruto and he has never been beaten by Lee.

2) Byakugan gentle fist does incredible damage because it sends chakra into the organs. Byakugan gentle fist is already able to send chakra thru a physical object (the body), I think it is a safe to assume that the their technique could send chakra thru sand also.

3) Neji has Kaiten.

The first Kaiten performed by Neji against Naruto showed that there are 2 stages of Kaiten. 1st stage is exertion of chakra in every chakra hole to create a "shield". The second stage is the spin which transforms the "shield" into a chakra tornado that deals heavy damage those who get caught up in it.

Even though Neji isn't as fast as Lee, Neji could "turn on" the 1st stage of Kaiten to get close to Garra without the fear of getting caught up in dessert coffin/graveyard and land his devastating gentle fist.

My 2 cents.

[Raistlin]

This fight depends on quite a lot of factors. If Garra is able to transform into any of the demon forms, edge definitely goes to Garra. Even though this is the case, I think Neji has a very good chance to prevent Garra from transforming. We saw from Sasuke and Naruto that if Garra receives damage he can't transform or loses his transformation.

I believe Neji can inflict damage to Garra so that he can't transform. My reasons why are:

1) Neji is not faster than Lee but is as fast...probably. He seemed lot faster than Naruto and he has never been beaten by Lee.

2) Byakugan gentle fist does incredible damage because it sends chakra into the organs. Byakugan gentle fist is already able to send chakra thru a physical object (the body), I think it is a safe to assume that the their technique could send chakra thru sand also.

3) Neji has Kaiten.

The first Kaiten performed by Neji against Naruto showed that there are 2 stages of Kaiten. 1st stage is exertion of chakra in every chakra hole to create a "shield". The second stage is the spin which transforms the "shield" into a chakra tornado that deals heavy damage those who get caught up in it.

Even though Neji isn't as fast as Lee, Neji could "turn on" the 1st stage of Kaiten to get close to Garra without the fear of getting caught up in dessert coffin/graveyard and land his devastating gentle fist.

My 2 cents.
Your missing something. Kaiten does require a massive chakra to use, whereas Gaara's sand requires NONE. So Gaara has 2 "Absolute" (Well, not really but..) defenses. Kaiten isn't an easy thing to do, I doubt he can walk while doing, which is not the same as spinning..

Also, I'm confused about gentle fist. If it goes through the body why does it damage internal organs? Shouldn't it me like a flame..

Also, I don't think Neiji is fast enough (Which you agree) to ger around sand, so couldn't gaara send it after him since the chakra of Neiji's would travel through it?

Otherwise very good post.

[NarutoNineTails]

My posts always kicks ass...j/k ;)

Neji was able to instantly turn on the 1st stage of Kaiten against Naruto. I would think it is possible to do this while moving around. I don't think he could do the spin effectively while moving nor keep the "shield" on for extended amount of time.

As far as I know...gentle fist is an actual Taijutsu technique in real life that allows chi to be delivered into the body. In the case of Hyuuga, I believe it delivers chakra, thus much more powerful than gentle fist that exists in real life (the idea of chakra seems much stronger than chi known in martial arts). So gentle fist is a "delivery system" that allows chakra to be penetrated thru physical objects. That is my understanding.

I also don't think Garra's sand can penetrate Kaiten during either of the 2 stages while it is "on".

[Hinata-Kun]

I think neji y everyone that picked neji already said it ^^

[Raistlin]

I think neji y everyone that picked neji already said it ^^

Neji only got 3 votes.. gaara got 10..
:P

I think Neji will eventually become stronger.

[Raistlin]

okay, immeasurable- so that means that it could be limitless. you didn't say for sure, so its still speculation. as for Neji, his attacks are solely close combat, so even if he managed to get close, he'd be skewered in less than a minute in
Gaara's circle of defence.

Why were both Naruto and Gaara out of chakra after their fight? They're is a limit..

[psypho]

still you persist. Neji has no prayer of a chance. Simple reason is Neji can be worn down. Gaara has his trump card, the full induced sleep technique. with that, Neji would've been good as dead. Plus Desert Coffin cannot be fully blocked since you're dealing with sand particles seeping through any hole in a barrier. Neji could only so much for so long- he would eventually tire out. Neji, i repeat, would have been a goner.

[psypho]

how about physical injury? they both beat the crap out of each other, so that could have instigated the exhaustion for both Gaara and Naruto.

[Raistlin]

I actually voted Gaara, I just like to argue. :)

[Sara Kido]

I voted gaara, but Neji seems pretty strong too...
But I like the most Gaara :P
http://box.elsia.net/~gaara21/img/50_83_N_gaara_.gif

[NarutoNineTails]

Force induced sleep technique is only effective after his full transformation. Neji has a good chance of preventing Garra from the transformations.

[Raistlin]

Yeah, but I don't think Kaiten will go through the sand.. At first. It's like a physical barrier, and will break down.

However, have you noticed Byukugan users seem incredibly dependant on Kaiten? This requires alot of chakra, it spends chakra out of every hole..

Also, Byukugan users aren't really main characters because until a counter is found, they're like invincible.

[NarutoNineTails]

Well Byakugan won't be considered such a highly valued bloodline limit (trump card) of Konoha if it was weak.

[sakura711]

Umm...
I think Gaara is till stronger than Neji...

[Yondaime]

umm i think gaara would just about win because neji is not fast enought to bypass the shield. i dont know what would happen if neji were to use kaiten next to gaara but i think that either the shield of sand would stop it or that gaara would be able to move away with that teleport thing he did when he came down to fight lee in the prelims.

[NarutoNineTails]

Lot of nins are able to transport themselves somehow. The sand nins and Kabuto pulled it off when escaping Konoha too. I don't know if this is a move that can be utilized in combat. Garra never used it in combat against Lee, Sasuke nor Naruto.

Neji might be fast enough for the sand since Neji can keep up w/ Lee. Neji doesn't need to bypass the sand like Lee anyway. He can turn on the 1st stage of Kaiten and charge in without the fear of being hurt by the sand.

[Yondaime]

but what would happen if he used kaiten and his kaiten clashed with the sand? and neji cannot bypass the shield since lee could not bypass it with his weighs on and neji is only as fast as lee with his weights on. gaaras sand might be able to slip into the kaiten as little grains of sand and then cover neji

[NarutoNineTails]

It seemed to me that the chakra shield created by Neji against Naruto had complete coverage. It is possible that it might not be and small amount of sand could seep in....but I don't think enough could seep in time to do much damage.

[Yondaime]

probably not.. but think about it. if small grains fly in ilke dust adn loads of them do seperately then gaara might be able to get neji in his desert coffin.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

I think Neji would fight Gaara for along time but if Gaara transforms into Shukaku then Neji would be defeated easily.

:roll:

[Yondaime]

one second. if gaara has his armour of sand and even IF neji lands a hit the armour of sand will prevent the internal organs being damaged because the shield of sand wont let nejis charka through

[NarutoNineTails]

Chakra would go thru sand...I already mentioned how gentle fist works earlier in this thread.

[Yondaime]

well the sand forms a hard shield all around gaaras body and is forced together to leave no gaps.. kind of like a wall and chakra does not go through walls therefore the gentle fist cannot kill gaara

[NarutoNineTails]

There are gaps in one's body? How does gentle fist deliver chakra thru to the organs? Gentle fist is a delivery system/technique that sends chakra thru physical things.

[Yondaime]

gentle fist can send chakra through your flesh but have you ever seen anyone send chakra through the floor or a wall?

[NarutoNineTails]

It can. I've read manga based on martial arts and if the theory is the same. Jyukken (gentle fist) strikes people behind walls.

[Yondaime]

yea ive seen a cartoon like that but this doesnt seem to be the case in naruto.

[NarutoNineTails]

Jyukken exists in the real world this idea is applied to the animes. If the idea of Jyukken holds, chakra will go thru sand.

[Yondaime]

ok. even if it can. there is no way that neji can bypass the shield of sand at his current speed. if you want to bypass the sheld of sand with nejis speed you have to move quickly around him and hit him without aiming. but neji needs to aim and hit him where the chakra circulatory system is otherwise the hit will be uneffective.

[NarutoNineTails]

"Hit will be ineffective"? How do you know this? You just love~ to speculate don't you.

I told you already that Neji could turn on his 1st stage of Kaiten and charge thru the sand to get close enough to land his Jyukken.

[Yondaime]

i didnt say that the kaiten hit would be inaffective and your the one who is assuming that neji can run with kaiten on. i said that if neji were to move quickly enough to bypass the shield of sand and hit gaara he would not have time to aim for a critical hit area because neji is not fast enough to get away from the sand shield for more than a second

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

yondaime speculates A LOT but he doesnt base it on educated guesses.

although now ninetails YOU are speculating that neji can move while doing a kaiten. as far as we've seen they just stand in one place and spin they dont spin while running at you.

[NarutoNineTails]

I added "could"...that was my opinion...I don't think it would be hard for them to exert chakra standing or moving.

[Yondaime]

umm but i think lee is faster than neji even with his weights on and if lee with his weights on cant bypass the shield then neither can neji. all i was saying before is that if for instance you move somewhere and you have half a second to hit a precise spot it would be hard.

[NarutoNineTails]

Yondaime,

You should have phrased your arguements like the one u just posted. I can agree w/ what you said now.

[Yondaime]

lol when i argue i dont say "i think" because if i didnt thin that y would i be arguing about it?

[Shinobi`Sora]

its more polite yonnie to say think. when ur here longer and considered a senior member... maybe ppl wont flame u as much for making a strong wrguement w/o the 'think', but for now, establish yourself as a lovable intelligent fun person.. THEN move in for the kill (hell yea!)

[NarutoNineTails]

lol when i argue i dont say "i think" because if i didnt thin that y would i be arguing about it?

Well...the consequence of that is flaming and that's what you got.

[Shinobi`Sora]

^^;; eh heh... i think i said something about that somewhere that.. if ur not a senioir member.. establish urself as a cool guy.. THEN go for the stronger arguements ^^;;

*huffs* do i hafta seperate you 2?! *gets a dangerous glint in eye as hands stray to kunais and shurukins...*

[Yondaime]

i dont really care if people on here flame me cos i just sit an laff that they are getting frustrated at me

[AWings]

yes but because lee cannot take off the wieghts off unless he needs to protect someone special or gai says to he stands no chance if he doesnt

[Shinobi`Sora]

now now yonnie ^^ no need to get like that *pats back* welcome to naruto chaos forums. can i take your order?might i suggest the large heaping helping of one of our specials in which you pick Gaara and another dish like Neji? Or how about the popluar Sharingan and Byukagen combo with a side dish of Flames ^^ (*laughing so hard at own stupid joke*)

lol.. but seriously though.. all these VSs topics are annoying

[NarutoNineTails]

i dont really care if people on here flame me cos i just sit an laff that they are getting frustrated at me

I think I was the one laughing at your posts. You are the one who got frustrated and started calling name...remember? lol

[AWings]

yeh but they are just a way to get ez posts if i was a mod i would have locked this post along time ago

[Yondaime]

actually u called me lazy first so i called u stupid... lol. i was sitting there laffing. ofcourse it did annoy me a little but most of the tiem iw as laffing. mainly because i thought uwere older than and and i thought u were gettin really frustrated...
anyways how old are u nintails?

[Shinobi`Sora]

now now boys.. do i hafta sperate you? 9tailz... yonnie is new. i woulda thought a jounin would not waste his time pickin' on a gennin, even though the gennin was trying to pick a fight..... tsk tsk tsk *shakes finger*

[Yondaime]

huh? what are u on about? lol were perfectly fine with each other now... or at least thats what i think... im very bad at holding grudges.. if i have a fight a week later i will be friends with taht person

[Shinobi`Sora]

good yonnie ^^ good attitude *huggles and pets* and if there IS a fight.. I WANT IN!! there is NOT to be a fight w/o me! there IS no fight w/o me ^^

[NarutoNineTails]

You r truly funny Yondy. You assume again that I got frustrated. I guess you can't be helped. lol

Your laziness still applies to veterans of this forum because you have a tendency to post w/out reading many of the relevant threads. And u r still a newbie (with quite a lot of posts but still a newbie). And you respond by calling names...smart move...u looked really good in the process...i recommend that you do it again. ;)

[Shinobi`Sora]

9tailz... -.- bad bad bad! ur a jounin! dont waste time on petty tlak w. newbs? im a newb..... to.... you gona... *sniffles, teary eyed* gonna pick... on on on on *sniffles/hiccups* me?

[NarutoNineTails]

You r right Sora but Yondy is just asking for it. Couldn't help myself there...hehe. I'll get better though ;)

[Shinobi`Sora]

*sniffles and peeks at him though her fingers* so... u not gonna pick onpoor newb ikkle me? and wut part was i right in? that tere are too many VS threads like this one here or that you as a jounin should not waste ur time on petty talk w/ a newb?

[NarutoNineTails]

You r right about both. I don't pick on newbies though. I pick on those that are in my opinion quite "rude" and that happens to be newbies most of the times.

[Shinobi`Sora]

heeeeeyyyy..... *has no idea if she shoulf feel insulted, angry, hurt, or a combination of 2 or all*

[NarutoNineTails]

haha...I'll take that as a good thing.

[Shinobi`Sora]

males -.- jounin males -.- jounin males that go by the name os NarutoNineTails -.-
anyways, i think gaara would own neji.... im sorry.. but that is just my opinion

[NarutoNineTails]

You don't have to be sorry for that...lol

[Shinobi`Sora]

well, some ppl might get angry at me cuz i think gaara is stronger than neji

[skyz69]

have to go with gaara. for one, even if his tenketsu were sealed, he would still prob, like naruto, be able to burst through the seals.

jyuuken can probably bypass the armor of sand, but i doubt that it wouldnt reduce the chakra coming through at all i.e. the amount of damage done to internals would be reduced.

i'm not sure about this, but i'm guessing that the demon inside gaara gives him a fast healing factor too. like when he got ura renge-ed by lee, he was down for a while, but in a very short while, he got up completely unharmed. after he got chidori-ed, it didnt take long to heal up either.

that said, neji is plenty fast, and has the byakugan, and won't get hit by any of gaara's attacks. he can get out of a random mistake with a kaiten.

so in the end, these two could run around each other for a month without getting hurt! however, if they *had* to fight each other, i think gaara has the better chance of success.

[Shinobi`Sora]

there yah go ^^ thats exACTly why it hink gaara would own neji, though i love both of them O.o

[64HandsOfHakke]

Im a huge Neji Fan. Unfortunately I'd have to go with Gaara in this fight. As previously stated, Neji hitting the tenketsu(sp?) would stop gaara, however, we know that neji is about as fast as lee with his weights on(plus a 359 degree vision radius). but as I clearly recall, it took lee about 7 tries to feel out gaara before he could actually land a punch with his weights off. with them on he couldn't touch him.

If neji could hit gaara in any point of his body, he has the advantage based on the Gentle Fist style he uses. But at this point in time I don't think neji is neaaaar fast enough to accomplish this.

vote gaara.

[Shinobi`Sora]

well spoken mate ^^ very well spoken. and well disected... O.o

[Yondaime]

You r truly funny Yondy. You assume again that I got frustrated. I guess you can't be helped. lol

Your laziness still applies to veterans of this forum because you have a tendency to post w/out reading many of the relevant threads. And u r still a newbie (with quite a lot of posts but still a newbie). And you respond by calling names...smart move...u looked really good in the process...i recommend that you do it again. ;)
lol yea i kinda ssumed that u got frustrated cos it lookled like it lol. i was sitting there posting and opsting thinkin that youi are really pissed off at me. lol
i started the name callin cos u called me lazy... ofcourse if you are new and there are 9 pages of threads you start off at page 1 and i saw the thread and tried to express my points.

[Shinobi`Sora]

*gets teary eyed and grabs yonnie and 9tailz in a fierce tight group hug* aww you guys are the greatestest ^^

[Yondaime]

umm anyway. i dont think that neji can bypass the shield of sand because i think lee is just a little faster than him when his wieghts are on and lee couldnt bypass the shield with his weights on. so i dont think neji would be able to bypass the shield either

[bonkers]

Whooo oooo , my idol is winning !!!!!

Gaara is strong , toooo strong(don't worry , i won't go into this one). He'll cut his ass with a peace of glass , YEAH