Best Hokage?

[HunterDylan]

I Don't know alot about Naruto but I want to know who was best Hokage

[HunterDylan]

And I dindt add 4th because he only did an summon Deathgod and nothing else......


...and I forgot to put it under 3th :cry:

[ShinobiRyu]

I don't know alot about all the Hokages >.<

[HunterDylan]

Does anybody know how 1st and 2nd died or do i have to wait untill the episodes tell me

[NarutoNineTails]

Don't assume that 4th just did the death god summon. 4th I believe created Rasengan too.

Did you ever imagine how difficult it must have been to hold Kyubi and actually pull his soul out from him? Are you nuts not to include the person most responsible for containing the most powerful force in the Naruto world?

I vote for 4th being the most talented of all the Hokages. If he had the opportunity to live a bit longer, he would have easily surpassed all the Hokages imho.

[AWings]

the third is the best he knows every jutsu

[NarutoNineTails]

Knowing all jutus doesn't mean anything really. It is how to best utilize each jutsu for each situation.

[Mitty]

Yeah but I think he could also do that. I don't know much about the 4th, but im sure he's pretty good seeing that he saved the village from Kyubi. Out of the ones you listed, I choose 3rd

[ZrAeNiAn]

Don't assume that 4th just did the death god summon. 4th I believe created Rasengan too.

Did you ever imagine how difficult it must have been to hold Kyubi and actually pull his soul out from him? Are you nuts not to include the person most responsible for containing the most powerful force in the Naruto world?

I vote for 4th being the most talented of all the Hokages. If he had the opportunity to live a bit longer, he would have easily surpassed all the Hokages imho.

Rasengan is developed by Jiraiya and passed on by him to the 4th, and now Naruto.

and the 3th is the strongest

-Zr-

[bonkers]

mm... , i actually liked the 4th , he looks COOOOL and strong !

[NarutoNineTails]

Don't assume that 4th just did the death god summon. 4th I believe created Rasengan too.

Did you ever imagine how difficult it must have been to hold Kyubi and actually pull his soul out from him? Are you nuts not to include the person most responsible for containing the most powerful force in the Naruto world?

I vote for 4th being the most talented of all the Hokages. If he had the opportunity to live a bit longer, he would have easily surpassed all the Hokages imho.

Rasengan is developed by Jiraiya and passed on by him to the 4th, and now Naruto.

and the 3th is the strongest

-Zr-

I don't think so...I remember Jiraiya saying that it was created by the 4th. Jiraiya can do the technique like the 4th I believe. Or was it that 4th was able to develop Rasengan further? I also sort of remember that it there was total of seven stages and 4th is the only one that can go up to the highest stage?

[NarutoNineTails]

Ok...i was wrong about the 7 steps (saw a badly tranlated episode 87 and rewatching the Anbu_Aone version now) but it is 4th's ninjutsu. If you rewatch eps 87 (Anbu_AOne version), Jiraiya says "This is a technique that the 4th Hokage left. It took three whole years for the Fourth to complete this technique."

[«Shîñôßì»]

I think the !st Hokage was definately the best. (and he looked cooler)

[Anbu Dr J]

the fourth completed it in 4 years but Jiraiya was the one to teach it too him. Jiraiya it the creator of the rasengan. Period.

[NarutoNineTails]

When was it ever mentioned in the anime that Jiraiya created Rasengan? Period my ass.

Jiraiya said it himself. Rasengan was left by the 4th. It sounds like to me that Jiraiya is crediting the 4th for the creation of Rasengan. Why would Jiraiya say this if he created it?

[Anbu Dr J]

yes it was. i dont know what episode it was BUT it was. BOOYAH

[NarutoNineTails]

I just added another line to my last post. Go rewatch episode 87. I already quoted what Jiraiya said. What more do you need?

[Anbu Dr J]

Well if you didnt read the manga thats not my problem.Anime and manga are sometimes different.

[NarutoNineTails]

Well you should have said your source is from the manga then. As far as we know in the anime it seems like Rasengan is 4th's creation. This is the anime section too.

[Anbu Dr J]

Well how would Jiraiya know it then? I dont think the teacher goes on and steals his pupils techinques

[NarutoNineTails]

He isn't stealing. If you see your apprentice practicing something interesting wouldn't you want to learn more about it? Jiraiya I'm sure can learn the technique once he has gotten to know about it.

I also have a quote that supports Rasengan being created by the 4th. What do you have? Nothing. If you want to prove me wrong go find the quote that disproves it from the manga that is not beyond episode 91. It also depends on the quality of subbing but I trust Anbu.

People who question my memory is so far 0/3. :)

[AWings]

lol yeh i believe that the 4th created ransegan thats from my memory but i am wrong sometimes

[Angelusx1]

I'm surprised no one voted for the 2nd, not that I would personally I'm not sure. I think the 4th should have been added to the poll, even if you think all he did was summon the death god, or whether or not you believe he created the rasengan, he should be included because he was a Hokage and consider this: if people think the 3rd is so great, which he is/was he chose the 4th, that means that the 4th was good, if wasn't at the level of a Sannin, I think he was close.

As for Rasengan, I'm not going to quote any evidenced, and I think it depends on your source, (i.e. - who subbed the anime, or manga) but I think it's Jiraiya's, and only he, the 4th, and Naruto can use it, because they are similiar (sp?) it seems all the adult ninja's take on an apprentice with a lot of power that is either like them when they were young or someone who compliments their personality type.

For example:
Gai and Lee, Kakashi and Sasuke, Orochimaru and Kabuto, and finally Jiraiya and Naruto

So my vote is: the third, not just because he can use almost all the jutsus, but because he was Hokage, then came back as Hokage after the 4th died, also because he did summon the death god, after summoning Enma, and fighting the 1st and 2nd, and sealed them, was almost able to seal Orochimaru as well.

[NarutoNineTails]

I really like the 1st's bloodline limit. He could own almost anybody w/ that jutsu.

Where is Kidd to clarify who created Rasengan? Subs must be contradicting each other or is there a difference in what was said between the manga and the anime? I'll trust Anbu_AOne until someone gives me "evidence" to the contrary.

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

Don't assume that 4th just did the death god summon. 4th I believe created Rasengan too.

Did you ever imagine how difficult it must have been to hold Kyubi and actually pull his soul out from him? Are you nuts not to include the person most responsible for containing the most powerful force in the Naruto world?

I vote for 4th being the most talented of all the Hokages. If he had the opportunity to live a bit longer, he would have easily surpassed all the Hokages imho.

OH OH ME TOO!!! I was wishing that fourth was up there, but was shot down when he wasn't. I know he didn't invent Rasegan though because of the fact that Jiraiya was the one who made him is apprentice and tried to teach him it. It took the Fourth three years before he could do it at all! That's way Naruto has a hard time thinking he can do it seriously. Ero-sennin even stated that the fourth left that technique behind!! Jiraiya either invented it or was taught it by someone else, possibly the third since he was Sarutobi-sensei to Orochimaru, Tsunade, and himself, Jiraiya!

[NarutoNineTails]

Sensei can learn techniques from the apprentice. Jiraiya said Rasengan was left behind by the 4th. Why would Jiraiya say this if he created it? It sounds like me that Jiraiya is giving credit to 4th for the creation of Rasengan. Tsunade and Jiraiya mentioned the super talents of the 4th. The reason why it took 4th that long to master Rasengan is because creating a technique takes much much longer than being taught it. If Jiraiya is the creator and was teaching it to the 4th, I highly doubt it would have taken 4th that long to master it when Naruto is about to master in within weeks.

[Asperitas]

tsudane the 5th is defonately not a good hokage, naruto will be I guess, because it is his dream!!!

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

Well, that's where Naruto got his fear from in the first place. Jiraiya said it was a technique left behind, as in, I think, never fully "learned" it. Naruto learns it so fast because, well, he's Naruto! Enough said! ^-^

[NarutoNineTails]

Nope...Jiraiya said it took him 3 years to master it.

[AWings]

hahahah no naruto learns all techniques really fast it only took him a couple hours to learn shadow replication and its a jounin level skill

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

Hee hee~Well, still, 4th was Jiraiya's apprentice for sometime, meaning only that he was teaching it to him in my mind....If he were to have invented it, you'd think Jiraiya would've just flat out said it by now! Naruto is just a VERY quick learner! I LOVE HIM!!! WAI!

[AWings]

I SAY THE 5th hokage is the best (in my mind naruto is the 5th hokage)

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

Hee hee~You hould be saying that the Sixth Hokage is the best because, in my mind, Naruto is the Sixth Hokage!!

[AWings]

lol no he is the 5th

[NarutoNineTails]

Jiraiya mentioned Rasengan's creation with the 4th. He never made such a connection with himself.

Why would Jiraiya say "This is a technique that the 4th Hokage left. It took three whole years for the Fourth to complete this technique. (from Anbu_AOne)" If Rasengan was Jiraiya's creation, he never would have made the connection to the 4th when talking to Naruto. He would have said something like, "this is the same technique I taught the 4th. It took him 3 years to complete..."

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

True true. . .I guess the possibility of the Fourth having created the technique is alittle higher in my mind, but, for some reason I just can't help the fact that the Fourth was probably around Naruto's age when he was Jiraiya's apprentice, or maybe abit older, and creating a technique at his age. . . .That'd be REALLY amazing. I guess that would qualify him to become the Fourth....Hmmm, this really is a toughy! I like the way you think NarutoNineTails! ^--^

[NarutoNineTails]

Thx...I can be very analytical. ^^

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

Oh me too! Notice how we were at it for two pages? Hee hee, I pay VERY close attention to all my anime, Naruto is my current obssession though so I know alot of the details on that!

[NarutoNineTails]

Also we don't know when exactly the 4th created Rasengan. He could have created it during the later portion of his life before sealing Kyubi. For me it really isn't surprising that 4th created Rasengan. I believe he is the creator of the demon god sealing technique also.

Both Tsunade and Jiraiya mentions the 4th as being a genious also. Here are some quotes from AOne eps 90:


Jiraiya: "It's hard for anyone to beat the Fourth in those fields. His capabilities as a ninja were unrivaled in history. He was talented with techniques, incredibly smart, and popular."

Tsunade: "But even the Fourth died young."


The amazing thing is that these praises are coming from the sennins.

If 4th had lived longer I don't think there would be even a debate as to who being the strongest Hokage.

[EVILEE]

i like the 5th hokage :evil:


i like the water hokage

[NarutoNineTails]

With this post (I'm jounin) I claim "trump card" of this forum...lol :twisted:

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

lol~True but you forgot something at the end of Jiraiya's quote!! ~

Jiraiya: "It's hard for anyone to beat the Fourth in those fields. His capabilities as a ninja were unrivaled in history. He was talented with techniques, incredibly smart, and popular, ""well kinda like me""."<---That part!! Hee hee, I just wanted to add that lol~

[Raistlin]

When was it ever mentioned in the anime that Jiraiya created Rasengan? Period my ass.

Jiraiya said it himself. Rasengan was left by the 4th. It sounds like to me that Jiraiya is crediting the 4th for the creation of Rasengan. Why would Jiraiya say this if he created it?

Why was this argued it's obvious..

[sakura711]

I think the best Hokage is the 3rd one, coz he know lots and lots and lots of jutsus, and I think that he can also perform the jutsus 4th Hokage can. 8)

Also, he's the sensei of the Three Legendary Sennins.

[Rasengan]

Best Hokage on the poll is the 3rd cuz he i think was like the best kage in all the hidden villages, but I like the 4th too and he would probably be better than even the 3rd if he lived.

[Sxy n Jts]

Yah.. you have a point...
But too bad.. he died so early... 8)

[NarutoNineTails]

Of the first three Hokages, I would have to say the 1st would own.

His blood line limit is unreal.

[Nine-Tails Possesed~]

That's true! The First was pretty cool!

[TakashiTakagero]

4th. Containing the Kyuubi is a feat that would be nearly impossible. Given time to learn new techniques, he could have surpassed the 3rd. Oh, and the third doesn't know every jutsu.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

The 3rd is the strongest Hokage, i think most of you saw episode # 71 when the 3rd managed to fight the first and the 2nd by him self.

8)

[NarutoNineTails]

Those were dummies...they possessed the powers of the first and second but power doesn't mean anything without proper usage. They were like super strong zombies...really powerful but really dumb too. The bodies of 1st and 2nd didn't retain their intelligence nor the experience to represent their true powers.

[TakashiTakagero]

You also notice how desperate Third was to stop the last one.

[NarutoNineTails]

I don't think the 3rd knew that the last one he stopped was the 4th. He just realized that fighting 3 summons at once would have been extremely difficult and needed to stop at least one.

[TakashiTakagero]

No, before it they were opened, he thought something along the lines of "Out of all people, he had to summon those two..."

[«Shîñôßì»]

I wish there was more about the 1st in the show.
i think he is really cool but i dont know a whole ton about him.

[NarutoNineTails]

No, before it they were opened, he thought something along the lines of "Out of all people, he had to summon those two..."

Did he say this before Oro opened the coffins?

[«Shîñôßì»]

Im pretty sure it was after.

[TakashiTakagero]

He said it before.

[NarutoNineTails]

I recall after also.

[«Shîñôßì»]

wow!
your like the 1st person on this forum that agreed with me on anything.
I'll look it up and post it to resolve this.

[TakashiTakagero]

It's before.

[«Shîñôßì»]

its actualy just as they open. i looked in the ep.

[TakashiTakagero]

It's after they rise but before he can see them. I assume the marks on the coffin things show who they are.

[Raistlin]

3rd is the strongest, but 1st is Tsunades grandfather.. O.o

[NarutoNineTails]

It's after they rise but before he can see them. I assume the marks on the coffin things show who they are.

It seemed to me that 4th happened to be the last one being summoned and 3rd was only able to stop the last one. It wasn't like the 3rd said, "I have to at least stop the 4th since he is the strongest."

[«ÖchÏ»]

In responce to Hunter Dylan's post concerning the death of the 1st and 2nd, Tsunade metions with some disdain that they "wasted their lives" for the village. However as to the more general topic, concerning the 'strongest hokage' there several indicators in the dialogue that seem to conflict.
Orochimaru says that Sarutobi was the widely acclaimed "the god of ninja," a title which implies superiority, however the third seems to differ to the Fourth in several lines. And Jiraiya says that the Fourth's techniques were unrivaled. It is true that the fourth was the last one summoned, and that is most likely why Sarutobi was able to stop it, however there are still those comments by the Third and Jiraiya resectively which establish the Fourth's greatness. Admittedly, Jiraiya's line could be construed as meaning living at that time, BUT the Third's comments are much more conclusive. Especially in light of his remarked greatness.
But, it's still up for grabs, because at no point does any character choose order then orally. I still beleive it's the Fourth.

And about the third seeming to abhor the summoning of the first two, it's prolly because they were his mentors, and speaking from experience I can tell you that even when you surpass you mentor in skill, because they know everything about you, and you don't everything about them. When you face any competetive interraction with them, you can't help but feel a little bit of dread.
And plus, be prolly wasn't counting on Orochimaru having the skill to resurect two Hokage. He was maybe expecting some other people, I dunno.
And the 1st and the 2nd's personalities are muted through the technique Orochimaru put int their heads. But I don't know that the suppression of the personalities effects their ability to use the powers.

[«Äñßû»]

love your avatar lol... But that would make sense, it would explain why the third is now dead, I think if he hadnt been as hesitant when trying to kill Ochi, he might have survived.

[«ÖchÏ»]

But what would make sense, PLEASe explain pronouns, otherwise I get frustrated.
(I actually noticed your sig and was like, hey that's ......'s sig, and then I was like, Whoa, that's him, lol)
When you say kill Ochi, you must be referring to that flash back on the orginal confrontation, when Enma is all like, 'Sarutobi, Sarutobi, you should have killed him Sarutobi'

[Yondaime]

umm i think the 4th is the strongest hokage and the 4th created the rasengan. when naruto tried to use the rasengan against tsunade she said: this is the fourths technique!
also when jiraiya was talking to naruto in episode 87 he said: it tok the 4th four years to complette this technique which means he completed it as in made it.

and i dont think orochimaru couldve summoned the fourth since his soul is meant to be in the death gods stomach because he used the death god to seal kyubi inside naruto. maybe naruto is a reincarnation of the 4th?

And the technique of the 1st is not a bloodline limit since tsunade cant use it. and the abnbu guy watching said that it is a secret technique which ONLY the 1st can use

[Anbu Neji]

I say the 1st, because he was the first Ever hokage!

[NarutoNineTails]

And the technique of the 1st is not a bloodline limit since tsunade cant use it. and the abnbu guy watching said that it is a secret technique which ONLY the 1st can use

We don't know if Tsunade can use the bloodline limit or not. If you read the manga and know more information please don't tell me. Bloodline limits can be inherited but that person who inherites the bloodline might not be able to use it because he/she either doesn't know how to use it, didn't train to achieve it, has no talents, or needs to be taught how to use it. Sharingan is a bloodline and it took 8 years for a super genious Itachi to realize it.

I believe it is a bloodline since only the 1st can use it. I would think that 3rd could learn almost any secret techniques but it seems like he can't do this one. I'm speculating that Tsunade could potentially perform the jutsu of the 1st but can't because of one or combination of the reasons mentioned above.

[Yondaime]

but tsunade is a genius and in 50 years she has not learned to use that jutsu... what does that tell you? and if it was a bloodline limit y is the 1st the ONLY person to be able to use it? and the 3rd wouldve said that its the 1sts bloodline limit not a "secret technique that only he can use"

[NarutoNineTails]

I believe secret techniques can be learned...like how 3rd performed the death god sealing technique of the 4th. Only techniques that can't be learned are blood lines. Since it is said only the 1st can perform that jutsu, it is easy to assume that only people related to 1st can have even the possiblity to learn it. I'm assuming that 1st didn't pass on the jutsu or his children/grand children elected not to learn it for what ever reason.

[Yondaime]

that may be the case but I thought that only he knew it and didnt teach it to anybody for whatever reason

[NarutoNineTails]

There is no correct answer...our speculation each have equal chance of being true.

[Sxy n Jts]

Hmm.. The 3rd one... 8)

[Xtremegamer6687]

Well when Iruka was teaching a class in ep 56 of the Anbu-Aone, he says that the 3rd Hokage is said to be the "strongest of all the Hokages."

This is most likely referring to the 3rd in his prime.

[sakura711]

Yup! THat'S righT!