Shippuuden 011

[regina777]

The raw just got released- go to the release/download thread here: Latest Anime/Manga Releases & Downloads (http://forum.narutochaos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=84)

As per new rules- Click on this: Updated Spoiler Rules- Make Sure You Read Them (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=5359).
one spoiler from anyone and you are suspended depending on the severity.
This is back to the old days. When the anime section had more activity- the days before fillers. Discuss the anime as if you have no knowledge of the Manga.
Do not even associate which chapters of the Manga are covered by this episode.
Any relation to the manga is only in the first post and will be in spoiler tags. And that association will only concern rule #3 above.

If you want to discuss shippuuden and the manga go to this thread which resides in the Manga Section:
Shippuuden for Manga Readers - this thread is in the Manga Section (Spoilers Galore) (http://forum.narutochaos.com/showthread.php?t=11266)


In this episode we cover
Manga Chapter Pages
253: 13-18 (from zarosaki 453 had 20 pages),
254: 02-10

So as at now approx just over 10 chapters to 11 episodes

Due to the scattered nature of chapter pages chosen for episodes so far do not expect all pages to be included in this. Indicate if any pages arent included.

[Eyeshield 21]

damn Regina you are harsh..but fine by me...

and thanks for the link

[ACPRO]

so im guessing i cant tell anyone about the hidden ninja monkeys that are being attacked by godzilla now can i??

[papfles]

ROFL @ afire007

[NarutoNineTails]

oh you mean Mothra? :P

Anyway it isn't harsh at all. If you know which section u r in then u don't have to worry about spoiling at all.

[rkappiyo]

Anyway it isn't harsh at all. If you know which section u r in then u don't have to worry about spoiling at all.

The thing is, though, accidents can still happen. For example, I accidentally spoiled in the anime section once (although I managed to notice my error and get rid of it within 5 minutes, before anyone noticed), but I truly didn't mean to harm anyone by it. I figure if the spoiler is still up after giving the person doing the spoiling after a set period of time (say... an hour, or whatever the admins feel neccessary), then he should be suspended. That way, if it was truly an accident, the spoiler has time to realize his mistake and correct it, and if it wasn't, he can be suspended and such.

Anyways... can't wait for subs to be out!

[NarutoNineTails]

I hear what u r saying. It isn't like we mods are bent set on trying to suspend or ban people. It will be evaluated on a case to case basis.

Even with numerous warnings though, the rate of spoilers being posted here didn't really go down that much. I know I was running out of patience and it seems like regina agrees. :)

I think many posters took granted the spoiler rule cuz it wasn't really being enforced too much w/ actual consequences. Now that is in place, lets see if spoiling rate does go down and good conversations can occur again in this section.

[Hiyo]

Yo, discussion the rules in a rule thread somewheres. Lets get some episode discussion in here.

ps: this episode was hot
ps:ps: actually i didn't watch it
ps:ps:ps: bleach is better than naruto

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

To NNT : If i watch the raw and post my review or thoughts on the episode, but everyone else is waiting for the subs, would that be a spoiler and would get me a warning/suspension ?

[Kratos]

I think you can use the spoiler tags to discuss the RAW.

Edit: I found the rule

You can only use spoiler tags in the case where an anime episode is released and you have watched it whilst others havent to prevent giving prior info before they do. aND THIS specifically refers to the RAWs. if the sub is released --- no need for spoiler tagging.

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

hmm i need to improve my reading skills i tried looking for that and couldnt find it :p thanks kratos. i shall wait . "a ka ta" (improving japanese day by day lol :D :cool: )

[NarutoNineTails]

Kratos is exactly right. Thank you Kratos. :)

[regina777]

Just rushed through the episode. Read below


It is soo obvious. This episode was used to highlight Sakura's growth in medicine.

It makes me wonder- didnt the Suna know how to remove the poison like Sakura did?

That is before the antidote was prepared

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

uhhh regina with the double post neat :p

I know, sakura totally gave a medicine master class to all the suna. i will coment more later when sub gets out. pretty good episode, i expected a totally boring episode but it was great, 8/10 for me

[minimal]

reg did you just double post?? sinner :p :p

edit: darn it kyuubi beat me to the punch. oh well

i saw the raw and now i am waiting patiently for the subbed, i can understand most of it but not all. Hurry up DB!!!

[Kratos]

OMG, a mod double posted. It's the end of the world.

[rkappiyo]

Jeez, regina, you seem to be having a very bad day today. First you quote a spoiler without editing in the Konoha Anime Library section, then you spoil in the Bleach Anime section (though the spoiler is so small it shouldn't even count), and now you've double posted here.

[minimal]

i think Reg needs a vacation to regroup. Its a hard job keeping us misfits in line

[rkappiyo]

i think Reg needs a vacation to regroup. Its a hard job keeping us misfits in line

Of course, all of us constantly piling on her whenever she does make a mistake probably doesn't make it easier...

[NarutoNineTails]

k...i merged the double post...I gotta save regina from u guys somehow...lol. ;)

[regina777]

Jeez, regina, you seem to be having a very bad day today. First you quote a spoiler without editing in the Konoha Anime Library section, then you spoil in the Bleach Anime section (though the spoiler is so small it shouldn't even count), and now you've double posted here.

Quoted a spoiler i was going to edit and forgot to edit-- the beginning of the meltdown
Double posted-- sheesh!!!
Spoiler in the Bleach section -- ahh!! heaven must be coming down (that was not a spoiler by the way)

k...i merged the double post...I gotta save regina from u guys somehow...lol. ;)It is time to kill everybody -- mwahahahaha :eek:

[oipotty]

no spare us!!! take it easy regina
tomorrow is a new day :):D
anyway, wat do u guys all think bout shinji's hollow and ichigos hollow. whose is stronger

[minimal]

no spare us!!! take it easy regina
tomorrow is a new day :):D
anyway, wat do u guys all think bout shinji's hollow and ichigos hollow. whose is stronger

wrong thread bud, but i hope ichogo's. Also lit ooks like Regina has joined the dark side, seduced by power, and now following the way of oro.....tisk tisk

also the Subbed should be out soon, at least compared to prior weeks it should be

[rkappiyo]

no spare us!!! take it easy regina
tomorrow is a new day :):D
anyway, wat do u guys all think bout shinji's hollow and ichigos hollow. whose is stronger

Eh? We're in the Naruto section, not the Bleach one...

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

wrong thread bud, but i hope ichogo's. Also lit ooks like Regina has joined the dark side, seduced by power, and now following the way of oro.....tisk tisk

also the Subbed should be out soon, at least compared to prior weeks it should be

exactly wrong thread yet you reply lol that cracked me up.

taking this back to the chapter discussion i hope the subs come out soon so we can discuss all the details :D

[-RX-]

leeches,get ready...
dattebayo just released a sub 5 minutes ago

[FbiHitman]

leeches,get ready...
dattebayo just released a sub 5 minutes ago

Got it.

Very nice Episode. Once again it was a information based episode.

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

Awesome episode !!

- The mini fight between naruto and chiyo just amazing kage bunshin usage/control by naruto
- Sakura delivered a masters medicine class with the medical water bubble no jutsu, and the antidote aswell she just owned everyone on the suna on the medicine field
- Now i understand why the hand of the puppet made a fist when Kankorou was almost unconcious. he was pretty smart i didnt expect that
- Kakashi using kuchiyose to track them down plain great nin dogs rock
- Akatuski draining gaara looked so awesome
- And the flashback at the end with Gaara talking about naruto and kankurou was so emotional just really well done.
- From the preview it seems like next episode we see kisame, team gai and itachi on action damn cant wait :D
- On the special lecture thing kankouru talking to karasu and temari saying "stop talking to puppets or your friends will stop hangging out with you" hilarious just priceless :D

I really expected a borig episode going by the title i expected only to see saskura heal kankoru and then end the episode but damn this episode was really really good imo. :cool:

I dont know if its just me but im getting this feeling of excitement and "cant wait for next episode" really badly now with this last shippuuden episodes, previous episodes havent been bad but it was just like "oh an ok episode ..." :p

edit : lol i was one of the 300 ppl to get the version with no sound in the opening haha how lucky.

[steve]

Pros:
- Sakura is all grown up! The medical ninjutsu really added a cool element to the series. I mean, till now its sortof been like "ok, ok, and medical techniques, ok ok" but now theyve been really elaborated on. It was really interesting stuff to be honest. The poison coming out, hell yeh. Again, this was really the high point of the episode, it was really cool.
- Kankouro asking naruto for help. The gaara backstory again. Man, naruto is the man.
- "tough battles coming up" .... + the previews, Kisame and Itachi.
- Old lady chiyo is pretty cool. The just kidding part was pretty funny too.
- Kankouro is badass, getting that piece of cloth.
- High quality of animation
- OH! and ninja dogs! Pakkun! I wanted to see them chat it up for a bit longer.

Cons:
- Only 22 minutes long
- Also got the no-sound in intro copy, haha I thought it was a joke that I didn't get. Not that big of a deal.
- Thats about it.

Final Thoughts:
- very solid ep. Gave alot of legitimacy to medical ninjutsu.
- Also, set up the story pretty well for where we go from here... it was a solid ep those regards
- This is what Naruto is all about... whoever said "its improving" was right.

[high6]

- Also got the no-sound in intro copy, haha I thought it was a joke that I didn't get. Not that big of a deal.

http://yhbt.mine.nu/pr/31

Is it just me or have the past 2 episodes been better then the rest?

[panickinu]

So the birds are faster than gai and the shinobis ..... Hmmm

[C120]

tnx for the link regina... waiting for the subbed eps come out...
its been a month i havent watch naruto...

[Greenlitflag]

So the birds are faster than gai and the shinobis ..... Hmmm
Well it is the sand's fastest bird... and I imagine it would be somewhat pointless to have a bird (or any means of transporting information) that would be slower than people.

[kingtz]

Awesome episode !!

- And the flashback at the end with Gaara talking about naruto and kankurou was so emotional just really well done.



I found this very touching too! Stuff like this make me really root for Naruto and cheer for the underdogs!

Also agree with your other comments. It was a surprisingly good episode. No action, but lots of emotion. It's episodes like this that make me really appreciate Naruto as more than just a ninja cartoon for kids.

[ChaosTheory]

I'd just like to say that I thought this was a great episode. The animation was really well done.

[regina777]

Yeah - this episode was excellent. Reminds me of those old days.

But i have to wonder-- it was too obvious that the spotlight was on Sakura.
We all remember how much most fans really disliked sakura's character, crybaby, not that strong attitude. With all her growth shown so far- this episode was just point blank detailing her growth as a medic ninja.

Which is incredible- considering how she wowed everybody.


Sakura concocting an antidote thing is understandable.

Yet-- it almost seems a little bit too much. Doesnt it almost look like the Suna medic ninja didnt know how to extract poison out of a ninja? I mean- all those medic looking after the Kazekage's brother couldnt locate the poison and extract even some of it from the body :confused:

[Kratos]

It looks like Chiyo attacked Kakashi because she thought he was his father, who killed her son. Naruto used his kage bunshin skills to stop the attack. Sakura is an awesome med nin. I hope we see more action next episode.

[Greenlitflag]

Yet-- it almost seems a little bit too much. Doesnt it almost look like the Suna medic ninja didnt know how to extract poison out of a ninja? I mean- all those medic looking after the Kazekage's brother couldnt locate the poison and extract even some of it from the body :confused:


Maybe they didn't know how to remove it without harming him? I dunno.

[NMK]

Hm.. Great episode! Not so much action but who cares? Finally .. Itachi's back! :) (Preview)

[Hiyo]

Maybe the suna ninja don't know how to insert chakra into the body to extract stuff like that? ;P

decent episode. next episode looks really good.
love how naruto is copying bleach by adding in funny shorts at the end.

ps: why are we bother to use spoiler tags before the subs are out? There is a completely seperate forum to get episode links from. Theres no reason to go into a thread before you watched it :P (unless you want to "think" about downloading the episode based on others comments... which is stupid..)

[rkappiyo]

http://yhbt.mine.nu/pr/31

Is it just me or have the past 2 episodes been better then the rest?

It's not just you, the past 2 episodes have actually made me excited for the next week's episode, whereas the previous episodes were more of a "kept me entertained" feeling. Hopefully they keep this up, especially considering the part of the storyline that we're going into.

[MrUseless]

All I have to say about this episode is Kankurou waxes... lol

Very good episode, kinda weird what Sakura was doing... but it was cool :p

[papfles]

Doesnt it almost look like the Suna medic ninja didnt know how to extract poison out of a ninja?

I agree with greenliftflag.

I don't think they knew where to look for the poison and since sakura told them the basis of the poison (hard metals), it is obvious they had absolutely no clue what to look for, and without knowing exactly what you are up against, it's like pinning the tail on a donkey. And I don't think they would just "do something" when it comes to Kankurou. The jutsu, ingredients, knowledge of the poison, expertise, chakra control. All seem to be things sakura has been able to perfect and it was apparently VERY necessary to save kankurou. So I didn't think "well, why didn't the suna doctors do that" :-)

All in all: excellent episode, as someone said: the last two (three maybe) have been much better. If they keep this up, naruto is back in major business. Tad of action, nice char-explanations, emotional moment, animation picking up and some hilarious naruto-faces (when he has to admit he doesn't know where akatsuki is and when he looks at kakashi on the bench outside).

[lifeordeath2]

I agree with greenliftflag.

I don't think they knew where to look for the poison and since sakura told them the basis of the poison (hard metals), it is obvious they had absolutely no clue what to look for, and without knowing exactly what you are up against, it's like pinning the tail on a donkey. And I don't think they would just "do something" when it comes to Kankurou. The jutsu, ingredients, knowledge of the poison, expertise, chakra control. All seem to be things sakura has been able to perfect and it was apparently VERY necessary to save kankurou. So I didn't think "well, why didn't the suna doctors do that" :-)

All in all: excellent episode, as someone said: the last two (three maybe) have been much better. If they keep this up, naruto is back in major business. Tad of action, nice char-explanations, emotional moment, animation picking up and some hilarious naruto-faces (when he has to admit he doesn't know where akatsuki is and when he looks at kakashi on the bench outside).

I agree, the poison removal was no mere basic jutsu, but a specialty. Itys the same in the real world, specialists from big cities can successfully perform surgeries that surgeons in smaller cities have no knowledge about. You ever watch House? Its true even within one Hospital. Anywho, I'm amazed beyond belief that I haven't seen the usual "
the animation sucks" replies! Maybe that trend in ending!

[Genius]

Well the old lady did say that tsuname was a better medical ninja than her. and sakura learned from the better person so.. eh and chiyo is old any way.

[regina777]

ps: why are we bother to use spoiler tags before the subs are out? There is a completely seperate forum to get episode links from. Theres no reason to go into a thread before you watched it :P (unless you want to "think" about downloading the episode based on others comments... which is stupid..)

By the same token manga readers can also come up with this comment: why use spoiler tags in spoiler threads- it is ridiculous.

And you know perfectly well that people post in episode threads prior to watching the episode- be it raw or subbed.

This is a minor rule based on members experience. if anyone breaks it several times the person will get suspension. No two ways about it.

Maybe the suna ninja don't know how to insert chakra into the body to extract stuff like that? ;P
Medic ninjas who dont know how to use chakra to extract poison? Unbelievable.

i really like the fact that sakura from the get go is on a new pedestal. When you look at this without thinking about it too much- it was a wonderful episode for Sakura. A perfect set up for Sakura to shine.

But after thought-it was overdone. It was more like saying that suna's medic unit was not even close to Konoha's. They even brought in Chiyo-baasama who knew Tsunade in her youth- implying years of medical experience.

And yet including her- none of the suna medic nin thought of extracting the poison- for a man supposedly to die the next few hours.

decent episode. next episode looks really good.
love how naruto is copying bleach by adding in funny shorts at the end.

Yeah!! they have done that a couple of times but it looks like they are doing it more often now.

I said the same thing when i saw that bleach started giving voice over overview intros- i said- hey, bleach is doing the OP thingy.

[Hidden Ninja]

Medic ninjas who dont know how to use chakra to extract poison? Unbelievable.

i really like the fact that sakura from the get go is on a new pedestal. When you look at this without thinking about it too much- it was a wonderful episode for Sakura. A perfect set up for Sakura to shine.

But after thought-it was overdone. It was more like saying that suna's medic unit was not even close to Konoha's. They even brought in Chiyo-baasama who knew Tsunade in her youth- implying years of medical experience.

And yet including her- none of the suna medic nin thought of extracting the poison- for a man supposedly to die the next few hours.


Well for medicine, they said that they could not determine it and chiyo said that it was something she never seen. so to me it seems like their medical is more resourceful in using antidotes rather than doing what Sakura did.

Also, in regards to medical nin's we have never seen them perform something anything close to what Sakura did. We have only seen them heal things. So it is quite possible that this is a special technique that Tsunade and Sakura can only use. I mean it was said that sakura had the best chakra control so that could be why she is able to perform this technique whereas other medical nin's cannot.

I disagree that it was overdone. It showed how chiyo, the best who Suna had, still failed in comparison to Tsunade. Now Tsunade's pupil too has surpassed chiyo. Which gives the cue for what chiyo's brother said.

As to them not thinking of it, well it is kind of hard extracting a poison when you don't know where it is or what it is. If you look that liquid that sakura was using did not look like water. So I would say that that liquid is something that was created specifically to remove this type of poison.

[BBRS]

Good ep... No action, but good! The next episode will be wicked! I hope they make it as good as it was in the manga!!

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

Suna's speciality seems to be more making poison than curing them lol.

[FbiHitman]

Well to look at it. Sakura was trained by the legendary Medical Sannin. So she is the best of the best.

Also she knew how to tell everything with just her sense's. The poison was in his muscles, I think the sand medical ninjas may have not known how to extract poison out of the muscle's. I think it was slug lady's own jutsu she created too.

Very surprising how good she is. I like how kankoru said garaa was his brother. For once the flashbacks were actually very well done.

[NMK]

Geez, remember .. she's OLD and did you ever think that new jutsus and new 'stuff' come with time? The thingy Sakura used was probably not even 'invented' when that old lady was active .. or something.

And isn't she more specialized in MAKING THE POISONS than curing them?

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Suna's speciality seems to be more making poison than curing them lol.

so true :D

[Hiyo]

One think to consider is that Tsunade was the one that got Konoha to start adding a medical ninja to the teams. It seems pretty logical to me that the number of medics in Konoha would have grown after that. And since Konoha seems better off and more powerful than Suna, it makes sense that Konoha ninja would be more advanced. Especially since they showed how limited the Suna village is with herbs. Doesn't look like that are all that advanced with medicine.

And that technique she used is probably insanely hard to do considering Tsunade taught her it and controlling chakra outside the body like that is hard to do for anyone.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Konoha more powerfull then Suna ? Pffft pfffff

[BBRS]

lol... Konoha IS more powerfull thens suna! no argue about that!

The Suna had some very (VERY) powerfull shinobi in the past, but today they are kinda weak! The only one we have seen sofar to be able to put up a fight with konohas best are Gaara or maybe Baki (who's skill we dont know yet!)

[Gabe Rod]

Konoha more powerfull then Suna ? Pffft pfffff

well of course. Good episode it was nice. i saw the raw it was good but I don't understand japanese so I will be seeing it right now with english subs.:D

[Chrono86]

why can i download the new episodes it say its downloading but nothing is going on it just sits there and does nothing

[Uchiha_Blaze]

Well ya now that you mention it, Konoha is better then Suna atm, but before Sasori left, Suna was prob the strongest village evah :D

[FbiHitman]

Past is the Past.

Lets just say konoha has alot more powerful medical, offensive, and defensive ninja at there hands. The sand is just having some low tide issues. lol

[cthon98]

It sounds like a great episode, I'd love to be able to see it, but I keep getting this
4/27/2007 8:20:12 PM - Rejected by tracker - unauthorized torrent
4/27/2007 8:21:17 PM - Rejected by tracker - unauthorized torrent
and I would certainly like to know why.

[minimal]

Well ya now that you mention it, Konoha is better then Suna atm, but before Sasori left, Suna was prob the strongest village evah :D

What about before the 4th died, was the suna stronger than konoha beofre he gave himself up for the village? Also remeber that even after that, the 3rd was reputed as the strongest of all the kages and if that is any determinate of the strength of a village then konoha wins yet again.

None the less this issue of which is stronger can not fully be debated without more background and information on each of the villages (not jsut suna and konoha) There are several factors that are not fully capable of being analyzed at this point in the series.

And for this episode, way to show em some skills sakura. We definately got a look into the medical training she recieved as well as her leadership and overall confidence in herself. She has grown from the girl who was always being protected by naruto and sasuke to a your woman with some definate skills under her belt. nice episode in my mind, and i like that the preview for the next showed a bit of team gai in action, i hope we see a good amount of them and their developement.

[NarutoNineTails]

ahh...maybe the animators are listening to the complaints...haha.

2 solid episodes in a row...woo hoo~~

I found it weird how the suna wasn't using chakra based healing at all on Kankuro. As far as I can recall it seems like it was exclusive to Konoha nins so far. Maybe this is a specialty of Konoha that originated from Tsunade's implementation of medic nins and kept as a secret? And I'm assuming what I saw from Sakura was an advanced form of this type of treatment.

I initially thought this type of charka based treatment was common through out Narutoverse...from this episode...I might have to think that isn't the case anymore.

Edit:
addressing the discussion of strongest villages...I think the info about 3rd being the strongest of the kage would be biased since that was mentioned w/in konoha...of course folks from konoha will say their kage is the greatest.

Even though I do agree that Konoha right now would be stronger overall than suna...in the past I would guess they would be about equal. Even when Konoha had Uchiha fully intact, they couldn't win the war against the lightning and had to sign a peace treaty. Even if a village might have an edge overall against another, I would say that advantage is very minimal at best.

Wow...it has been a while since I participated in an actual discussion of an episode...it feel nostalgic...lol. ;)

[Greenlitflag]

In response to the "What's the deal with the suna medics?" discussion:

I think maybe they didn't know WHAT the poison was, so trying to move (or rather, remove) the poison could possibly have fatal consequences. For example, if you were a doctor and had to remove an object from someone's body, you wouldn't want to try and remove it until you could indentify it.

Based on this theory, removing poison from a body (rather than just using an antidote) is quicker, but also runs a risk of damaging the person (judging by the concetration shown by the konoha nin during neji's operation, operations involving chakra are a difficult thing.) Rather than running the risk of worsening his condition, they decided to stay with using antidotes. That's my take on it.

Anywho, shippuden has been getting better and better. I can't wait for the next episode.

[V.VELDANEN]

I was wildly impressed with Naruto's reflexes in the beginning, although his rashness had that all reversed :(

Kakashi have more depth right now, I'm intrigued! Give us more KAKASHI!

Love how naruto was totally into Sakura.

Love the overall feeling towards the end when Kankurou broke down.

[regina777]

This is a good discussion going on here. very good.


Wow...it has been a while since I participated in an actual discussion of an episode...it feel nostalgic...lol. ;)
Well, at times you should pose questions for discussion- ie if you find these questions.
In response to the "What's the deal with the suna medics?" discussion:

I think maybe they didn't know WHAT the poison was, so trying to move (or rather, remove) the poison could possibly have fatal consequences. For example, if you were a doctor and had to remove an object from someone's body, you wouldn't want to try and remove it until you could indentify it.
....

they decided to stay with using antidotes. That's my take on it.


I like the take.

But it begs the question- why play it safe when you know the person's life ends in a few hours and none of your prior efforts have worked? Remember they had about three days- sakura made the decision immediately upon arrival.

This is why i decided to pose that question about the suna medic nin. it smelled like either an overdone publicity stunt for Sakura's growth or something else.

[Gabe Rod]

Well ya now that you mention it, Konoha is better then Suna atm, but before Sasori left, Suna was prob the strongest village evah :D

I don't really think so even with sasori it would not be the strongest. But I think if they had sasori and the 3 siblings they would be like second to konoha. Remeber konoha has jiraiya and tsunade kakashi and you know.:D

[papfles]

why play it safe when you know the person's life ends in a few hours and none of your prior efforts have worked?

They just didn't know where to look and i doubt they actually know HOW to perform that chakra-based surgery as sakura did, not without doing damage to the organs they had to invade to get to the poison (if they actually had the luck of finding a bit of it).

besides, let's just imagine the following:
sakura asked for a series of items before she did the "surgery". Maybe to "counter" the poison, she needed certain things in the water she used? And if you don't know what that is, there's no point in performing the surgery. The suna doctors might as well have chopped at kankurou with an axe. Would've been as effective as doing the surgery without complete knowledge.
Sakura just knew (that's what you get with a tsunade as your teacher) the items (and thus the "ingredients needed").

[V.VELDANEN]

It initially does seems a little far fetched that Suna medics lack the expertise and knowledge, but considering the climate of the desert and the amount of medicinal herbs they have at their disposal, their resources for research would be quite limited...hence the deficiencies of medicinal knowledge.

The Suna medics DID have certain idea of the poison, although it wasn't complete.

I would also take into consideration the maker of the poison, since Sasori was once part of Suna, he would have an idea of Suna's medicinal advancement...and he was just about to make things a little tougher for them...

[pinchytheghost]

Sunagakure is lacking in alot of important things; they don't have enough ninja at their disposal to begin with, so it would follow that they don't have enough medical nin, as I am assuming that there would be less of that category.

Is it strange that one of my favorite parts of the episode is that there were close-ups of Kankuro's organs?

[qwertyu]

man, this episode make the sand posion expert look like a friggging novice.

[vegita625]

Maybe the suna ninja don't know how to insert chakra into the body to extract stuff like that? ;P

decent episode. next episode looks really good.
love how naruto is copying bleach by adding in funny shorts at the end.

ps: why are we bother to use spoiler tags before the subs are out? There is a completely seperate forum to get episode links from. Theres no reason to go into a thread before you watched it :P (unless you want to "think" about downloading the episode based on others comments... which is stupid..)

My guess is that the medical nin of the Suna village aren't very experienced.

Like Konoha didn't have the strongest offense, had a stronger defense, and a really strong medical team (with Tsunade).
Meanwhile Suna had an extremely strong offense, a semi-strong defense, and weak medical team. They had much fewer people and focused mainly on offense, so it only makes sense that they'd have a strong offense and relatively weak medical staff.

The offense vs. medical thing is shown in Chiyo's comment about how she would use poison after poison, and Konoha's head medical nin (Tsunade) would counteract every single one.

Also remember that the Suna village *recently* took on Konoha's system (teaching of ninja and the like), which may have included medical nin training.

Either way, their medical nin are likely less experienced or less trained than the majority of the Konoha medical nin.

Now then: Sakura said what she was doing was desperate and a sensitive operation. Perhaps it's that high a level that not many would know, even possibly among Konoha medical staff?

[FbiHitman]

My guess is that the medical nin of the Suna village aren't very experienced.

Like Konoha didn't have the strongest offense, had a stronger defense, and a really strong medical team (with Tsunade).
Meanwhile Suna had an extremely strong offense, a semi-strong defense, and weak medical team. They had much fewer people and focused mainly on offense, so it only makes sense that they'd have a strong offense and relatively weak medical staff.

The offense vs. medical thing is shown in Chiyo's comment about how she would use poison after poison, and Konoha's head medical nin (Tsunade) would counteract every single one.

Also remember that the Suna village *recently* took on Konoha's system (teaching of ninja and the like), which may have included medical nin training.

Either way, their medical nin are likely less experienced or less trained than the majority of the Konoha medical nin.

Now then: Sakura said what she was doing was desperate and a sensitive operation. Perhaps it's that high a level that not many would know, even possibly among Konoha medical staff?

Over the time skip Sakura trained for 2 years under tsunade. Now in those 2 years, she had to learn something. Dont forget she had access to the library of everything. Probably had alot of jutsu's exclusive to Kohana. Also tsunade specialty during the war was curing/removal of poison. Its not that the medical ninja at Suna are worse or inexpierenced. Its that they dont have the much info at there hands. But then ou would ask yourself, Because of there alliance you would think they would get access to that info. Or maybe they are thinking they can depend on kanoha for medical ninja. Which work out great in this situation.

[regina777]

My guess is that the medical nin of the Suna village aren't very experienced.

Like Konoha didn't have the strongest offense, had a stronger defense, and a really strong medical team (with Tsunade).
Meanwhile Suna had an extremely strong offense, a semi-strong defense, and weak medical team. They had much fewer people and focused mainly on offense, so it only makes sense that they'd have a strong offense and relatively weak medical staff.

The offense vs. medical thing is shown in Chiyo's comment about how she would use poison after poison, and Konoha's head medical nin (Tsunade) would counteract every single one.

Also remember that the Suna village *recently* took on Konoha's system (teaching of ninja and the like), which may have included medical nin training.

Either way, their medical nin are likely less experienced or less trained than the majority of the Konoha medical nin.

Now then: Sakura said what she was doing was desperate and a sensitive operation. Perhaps it's that high a level that not many would know, even possibly among Konoha medical staff?

i dont agree with everything but i like this response. awesome job.

Now, it is up to Naruto to also show us that he is still not stuck with Rasengan and Kagebunshin.

arent these the only techniques he has shown thus far.

[Uchiha_Blaze]

i dont agree with everything but i like this response. awesome job.

Now, it is up to Naruto to also show us that he is still not stuck with Rasengan and Kagebunshin.

arent these the only techniques he has shown thus far.






Thats pretty much everything he can do and will be able to do.

[regina777]

Thats pretty much everything he can do and will be able to do.
why will those be everything he will be able to do? where is your proof?

[papfles]

why will those be everything he will be able to do? where is your proof?

If i have to answer (in blaze's place), I'd have to say that sasuke has shown to be the "give me a few seconds with a jutsu and i'll master it" kind of guy (thank you sharingan AND being called a genius). As naruto is actually shown as the opposite....he goes for few jutsu and mastering them to the extreme.
Although he is also portrayed as a follower of jiraiya, who has shown to master quite a few jutsu...(maybe only later in life)...

[Uchiha_Blaze]

why will those be everything he will be able to do? where is your proof?


because hes brain dosent have enough space to master more then 3 jutsus

[papfles]

kawarimi, sexy no jutsu, rasengan, kage bunshin, summoning no jutsu...ha! :p

[DonEmu]

because hes brain dosent have enough space to master more then 3 jutsus

Lamest answer i have ever read...

If Naruto could master something so hard as Rasengan so fast, then why not learn at least 1 or 2 more jutsu after training for 2.5 years?

[spacecadet319]

lol this guys talking about the medical technique... son, sakura was betta... always son always.

this ep was good.

[FbiHitman]

All i can say is in Naruto's Deffense.

He can do Summoning no Jutsu, and summon Gamabunta!

What person in his age group at the time he first summoned him could even come close to do that? And I know people are gunna come out with in was just because he has the demons chakra. Even without that he can summon, I dont see any other's summoning.

[steve]

Naruto also has no friends
he forgot how to bake
who can't bake
COME ON

[Omaki_Roku]

ahh...maybe the animators are listening to the complaints...haha.

2 solid episodes in a row...woo hoo~~

I found it weird how the suna wasn't using chakra based healing at all on Kankuro. As far as I can recall it seems like it was exclusive to Konoha nins so far. Maybe this is a specialty of Konoha that originated from Tsunade's implementation of medic nins and kept as a secret? And I'm assuming what I saw from Sakura was an advanced form of this type of treatment.

I initially thought this type of charka based treatment was common through out Narutoverse...from this episode...I might have to think that isn't the case anymore.

Edit:
addressing the discussion of strongest villages...I think the info about 3rd being the strongest of the kage would be biased since that was mentioned w/in konoha...of course folks from konoha will say their kage is the greatest.

Even though I do agree that Konoha right now would be stronger overall than suna...in the past I would guess they would be about equal. Even when Konoha had Uchiha fully intact, they couldn't win the war against the lightning and had to sign a peace treaty. Even if a village might have an edge overall against another, I would say that advantage is very minimal at best.

Wow...it has been a while since I participated in an actual discussion of an episode...it feel nostalgic...lol. ;)



great post, kinda makes you think...what kind of blood lines and ninjas the Cloud country has to offer...

I mean if you look at the leaf

with the Hyuga and the Uchiha....to well known bad ass clans and still not able to get a full on victory is pretty crazy. I suppose also that the 3 sanins were still around on Duty as well at that time.

Cloud Country must be pretty damn strong.....But haha even if so... gotta give Hiashi his credit of whooping up on one of their generals with one Hit....This just prooves that The Lead Hyuga is one Phenomanal Bad ass.

[NarutoNineTails]

Don't forget yondaime also. He might be the "baddest" ass ever in Narutoverse (this is just based on the fact that he was able to seal the most feared entity in Narutoverse). I would have to guess that there are lot about the other villages that we just don't know about. Since we know so much more about Konoha, it might very well be bias on our end that we see Konoha so strongly. I would also guess that there are terrain advantages that would play a huge factor on defending home turf during wars also. 1 vs 1 fighting edge becomes non factors when the scale is increased to war level battles too imo.

Edit:
Actually, would 4th have been still alive when the war was going on w/ the lighting? Hmmm. The attempted capture of hinata occurred when Hinata was 3 (as I recall) and 4th would have been dead for 3 years also then. I wonder how long the war w/ the lighting village lasted for.

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

I was rewatching the episode and wanted to comment that i liked naruto's growth a lot-. he was the only one that re-acted to chiyo's attack. and the KB on the shadow of the KB that got hit just showed that he was 1 step ahead of the situation. that was really cool

[MrUseless]

Naruto... Rasengan + kage bushins + gamabunta + his rediculous endurance and even his battle awareness (watch his fight with Kakashi and you'll notice this). All of these make him an extraordinary ninja.

but this was Sakura's episode, so yay! go sakura! bubble poison extraction no jutsu! XD

[Aizen-diacho]

Yea i liked naruto's reaction to Chiyo's attack on Kakashi.Th eold woman seems to have a bit of fight in her.She also seems to be quite experienced knowing of Tsuande and Konoha's white fang.I can't for for this weeks episode though,we see Itachi and kisame make another apperance after 2 years i wonder if there be a difference to what happened with kakashi and itachi.

[-Patti-]

But i have to wonder-- it was too obvious that the spotlight was on Sakura.
We all remember how much most fans really disliked sakura's character, crybaby, not that strong attitude. With all her growth shown so far- this episode was just point blank detailing her growth as a medic ninja.

Which is incredible- considering how she wowed everybody.

Sakura concocting an antidote thing is understandable.

Yet-- it almost seems a little bit too much. Doesnt it almost look like the Suna medic ninja didnt know how to extract poison out of a ninja? I mean- all those medic looking after the Kazekage's brother couldnt locate the poison and extract even some of it from the body :confused:



I think that it was important to show her growth because she was a crybaby in the past and was only in the way. Besides, there was nothing special about her. She was just an average ninja who probably wouldn't gain much success. But now she can be of use and is an excellent medical ninja which is her speciality now.


Over the time skip Sakura trained for 2 years under tsunade. Now in those 2 years, she had to learn something. Dont forget she had access to the library of everything. Probably had alot of jutsu's exclusive to Kohana. Also tsunade specialty during the war was curing/removal of poison. Its not that the medical ninja at Suna are worse or inexpierenced. Its that they dont have the much info at there hands. But then ou would ask yourself, Because of there alliance you would think they would get access to that info. Or maybe they are thinking they can depend on kanoha for medical ninja. Which work out great in this situation.

When you think about it, you've already given an answer to your question. As kage I would't like it if another village would've access to a library where all the secrets of 'my' village are kept which means they could also figure out the weaknesses of the village. When a war comes up you would've lost from the beginning because the other village just had all the information they needed to defeat you. Therefore every village will keep it's secrets and only reveal information if it's really necessary. And it was also shown in the past that you can't be sure of alliances. ;)


Well for medicine, they said that they could not determine it and chiyo said that it was something she never seen. so to me it seems like their medical is more resourceful in using antidotes rather than doing what Sakura did.

Also, in regards to medical nin's we have never seen them perform something anything close to what Sakura did. We have only seen them heal things. So it is quite possible that this is a special technique that Tsunade and Sakura can only use. I mean it was said that sakura had the best chakra control so that could be why she is able to perform this technique whereas other medical nin's cannot.


Tsunade is said to be the only ninja who managed to master all the medical techniques, besides she is one of the Sannin which would underline her strength (by this I don't mean just combat experiences, but also knowledge, powerful ninjutsu etc.). As Chiyo also mentioned in a previous episode, Tsunade was able to create antidotes for all her poisons in the war so she has a lot of experiences in this area. She knows how important it is to be able to act quickly and get to know all the information which are needed to be able to create an antidote.
So it wouldn't be surprising if she really developed special ninjutsu or at least some special methods which allow her to find out everything which is needed as fast as possible.
Another clue for this is also that sakura knew just from listening (where she laid her head on kankurou's body) where the poison is located and also what type of poison it is.

Because Tsunade is sakura's master and because she thinks that sakura is talented it's likely that she passed on all her knowledge to sakura in this 2 years, so that it's also no surprise anymore that sakura is superior to the medical nins from suna. Otherwise the 2 years would've been useless.
It's not like that the medical nins from suna can't do anything.


The jutsu, ingredients, knowledge of the poison, expertise, chakra control. All seem to be things sakura has been able to perfect and it was apparently VERY necessary to save kankurou.


I think this point's out the main elements of her growth. However, I also think that she is more self-confident now and she is also more determined. All in all she also has a higher endurance and higher stamina. In the end you could say that she is more grown up as a ninja.

Seeing that Sakura has improved that much I wonder what became of Ino who asked Sakura if it was possible that she also become a medical ninja. Or was this just in the anime? (I think it was in one of the filler episodes though I'm not quite sure…)


All in all I really liked this episode and also naruto's reaction to Chiyo's attack but this was mentioned before…
However I think he has grown a lot and I hope to see more of his growth soon. Anyway, I'm just waiting for the direct download of the new episode and I think it's going to be a good episode… I'm looking forward to some action again and also I think it can get interesting when Naruto first meets the three again…

[Kratos]

Seeing that Sakura has improved that much I wonder what became of Ino who asked Sakura if it was possible that she also become a medical ninja. Or was this just in the anime? (I think it was in one of the filler episodes though I'm not quite sure…)

I think it was in the last filler episode.

[tsunade ^_^]

The last 2 episodes was kinda suckee! I at least thought that Gaara would go down with more than that weapy half assed fight!