is Suigetsu Sais brother?

[Collateral]

Suigetsu really looks like his brother (expect the teeth) here is a picture with both of them:

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/2920-2.jpg (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/2920-2-jpg.html)


so what do you think?

[Noob-Smoke]

wow, i got to look into this, u may be right.

[Hidden Ninja]

that is quite possible, the resemblance is there plus sai has no memory.

[jounin101]

u know, i actually though about this when we first heard of suigetsu, i though it was just some random idea, but that photo evidence seems plausible. i'll like to say it is, cause i dont think there will be too many new characters introduced from here to the next time skip. and sai is also rather pale like suigetsu is likely gonna be.

Good ass find Collateral!

[Broken_Earth]

But Mizugetsu is clearly from the Village of the Mist and also stated that he trained very hard to become one of the future Seven Shinobi Swordsmen. He couldn't have been in Root with Sai.

[Hidden Ninja]

yeah but sai has no knowledge of who he was or any memories, so we don't know where he is originally from.

[jounin101]

did sai say his brother was in roots? i thought sai just drew a pic of both of them in roots uniforms...
i think it depends on how long suigetsu was locked up. its possible sai could be like kabuto, meaning he was born somewhere else, but taken to konoha.

this is typical kishimoto...

[Broken_Earth]

Sai's "older brother" was a member of Root. It's in the Character Data Book.

[Edit: Let me check the last part to make certain. It's been a while. So consider the 'Data Book' statement unverified.]

[Tiamath]

Sai's 'brother' was definitely part of Root; it's stated in the manga on several occasions. However, given Danzo's practicality and ruthlessness, this does not necessarily discount Suigetsu as his brother. We know very few facts about the Root organization, except for that when you entered it, you left behind all traces of your previous life, including your name. Perhaps, like Orochimaru, Danzo recruited members from outside his 'home village.'
The teeth thing could possibly be explained as an experiment of Orochimaru's, seeing as Kisame, a former 'teammate,' has a similar adaptation.

[sakurachanhaha]

Hidan could be his brother as well. But that's not a very good pic of hidan so idk

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/39/89/21/shika/hidan.jpg http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/2920-2.jpg

[Tiamath]

Hidan could be his brother as well. But that's not a very good pic of hidan so idk

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/39/89/21/shika/hidan.jpg http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/thumbs/2920-2.jpg

(laughs) Given Sai's mouth, I wouldn't be surprised. But I think that Hidan's too old. Sai's brother's age is probably within a few years of his own, given what we know.

[sakurachanhaha]

(laughs) Given Sai's mouth, I wouldn't be surprised. But I think that Hidan's too old. Sai's brother's age is probably within a few years of his own, given what we know.

ya I could see how you would think that lol. But now that we've seen Suigetsu I think he prolly is Sai's brother

[jounin101]

take a look at what yamato says to sai here!
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=23810
then notice that suigetsu calls the same village by the same name, and suigetsu looks almost exactly like sai's brother in the drawings. i really think the 2 are brothers now. just wait til something about brotherhood or bonds comes up in a conversation btw sasuke and suigetsu.

[Tiamath]

This relationship could possibly explain that bizzare (if funny) interlude with Team 7 in chapter 347. Kishimoto needed to bring Sai back into the spotlight at the same time as he was introducing Suigetsu to the readers.

Also, it's interesting that Sai was the one that Danzo chose to send to Orochimaru, when Orochimaru already had in his possession a boy who bears a striking resemblance Sai's adopted brother...

[Noob-Smoke]

i hate how kishi confuses me to the point where theorys cloud the mind and then the obvious truth was rite there the whole time.. 'sigh'

[Kratos]

I think this is a good theory. Maybe Sai and Suigetsu will have to fight each other.

[Hidden Ninja]

yes and then naruto v sasuke and girl v sakura. kakashi vs whoever is the other person.

[anantha92]

awsome theory, i hope that this theory has at least some light on it. ITs pretty pointless to introduce a character that much if he has no real say in the story. Althought the downside is that, he calls zabuza senpai which may mean they were partners or his teacher or something. just my 2c.

[Uchiha Adrian]

that is a good find coll

[Greenlitflag]

Ah, THAT'S who he reminded me of. When I first saw him I was like "He looks kinda like someone we've seen before... maybe that guy oro took over?" Interesting theory.

[Chidongan]

Ah, THAT'S who he reminded me of. When I first saw him I was like "He looks kinda like someone we've seen before... maybe that guy oro took over?" Interesting theory.

Lol ditto. he looked really familiar. maybe he is sai's bro.

[10sarg]

he's defintly not sai's brother. he grew up in the village of the hidden mist and trained under zabuza.

[Hidden Ninja]

how is that definete proof though, sai's history is unkown.

[Thunderbird4!]

Knowing (or the lack thereof) Danzou he might've sent suigetsu from root to the mist to train so Danzou's N.W.O. would be spread about.

[jounin101]

he's defintly not sai's brother. he grew up in the village of the hidden mist and trained under zabuza.

but when yamato found out about sai's book and its contents, he said it is the same as the "blood mist village" which is where suigetsu is from. kishi is throwing clues out there for us. not to mention nothing suggests sai was always a konoha nin. he could be like kabuto(from somewhere else, but adopted by konoha)

[Naruto_fan_]

but when yamato found out about sai's book and its contents, he said it is the same as the "blood mist village" which is where suigetsu is from. kishi is throwing clues out there for us. not to mention nothing suggests sai was always a konoha nin. he could be like kabuto(from somewhere else, but adopted by konoha)

i think jounin is right kish always made clues and that fit really good into the story

[Hidden Ninja]

bingo, plus sai is really not sai. he was only just given that name right before he joined naruto and co.

[y.o.]

Well there are clues out there but I dont think it will turn out to be his brother, just a hunch I guess!! I think sai is from konoha, and the other guy is from hidden mist!!

The reason yamato mentioned bloodmist was cause sai assasinated nin there and thats all, nothing more to it than that!!

[Drizzt_13]

oocams razor dictates that he isn't but then again oocams razor dosen't usually apply to manga

[y.o.]

What the hell is that supposed to mean??

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

What the hell is that supposed to mean??

that oocasm razor dictates that he isnt his brother...come on ....not....

lol i was asking the same thing 2 myself WTF does he mean with that..:confused:

[KageNaruto]

Suigetsu is not Sai's brother! Seriously, Diedara is Ino's uncle cause he looks a tiny bit like her! Geez, annoying.

[Hidden Ninja]

on the topic of sai, danzo i beleive said he was the strongest ninja in the village of his age, i really want to see what he can do.

i still want to see more history as to what/who sai is.

[DonEmu]

Suigetsu is not Sai's brother! Seriously, Diedara is Ino's uncle cause he looks a tiny bit like her! Geez, annoying.

Holy crap, i think you are on to something...Even their hairstyle has similarities...

[rkappiyo]

Holy crap, i think you are on to something...Even their hairstyle has similarities...

Yes, check the spoiler posted by chidongan in the 348 prediction thread.

[DonEmu]

Spoiler below, the truth about Suigetsu...

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs15/f/2007/081/a/e/Suigetsu_OMG_by_Krazy_Chibi.jpg

[papfles]

i pity the woman having to endure kisame :p

[el naruto]

i pity the woman having to endure kisame :p

I think he actually was human and then altered himself like Oro.

[MaNgAkAlOrD]

it still is possible for suigetsu and sai to be brothers. look at the picture. he said he had been training to become one of the swordsmen and what does he have strapped to his back? it is possible that when he supposedly died of illness he just left to go to hidden mist to train under zabuza. nothing said he originated inmist.

[10sarg]

i dont think you have the choice to leave ROOT without permission! and i doubt he'd of got it. plus i think you'd have to be from the village of the mist to be chosen to be 1 of the 7 swordsmen not just some runt who turns up and says "hi gays and gals, how about you give me one of those big old manly swords and i'll do any favour you want, wink wink!" lol!

[oipotty]

i think kisame is just a fag that enjoys plastic surgery....to make himself uglier

[Hidden Ninja]

i dont think you have the choice to leave ROOT without permission! and i doubt he'd of got it. plus i think you'd have to be from the village of the mist to be chosen to be 1 of the 7 swordsmen not just some runt who turns up and says "hi gays and gals, how about you give me one of those big old manly swords and i'll do any favour you want, wink wink!" lol!

actually that isn't true. zabuza was a random child who just killed every single ninja. they called him the demon because of it.

sorry for the sparse explanation, but i am tired. 48 hrs without sleep.

[DonEmu]

actually that isn't true. zabuza was a random child who just killed every single ninja. they called him the demon because of it.

sorry for the sparse explanation, but i am tired. 48 hrs without sleep.

He was still a member of the mist, and him slaughtering all those people wasnt an entrance exam for the 7 swordsmen, it was to pass the academy.He slaughtered the other academy students, those days the mist pitted their students 1 vs 1 to the death, but zabuza just killed em all...

So he wasnt exactly a random child per say, he was a mist ninja, the slaughter caught their eye..

[Hidden Ninja]

no he wasn't a ninja. he was a random child that killed them all forcing them to change the exams afterwards.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/pokanuts/Naruto2-7-07.jpg

[Tiamath]

Actually, that just proves he wasn't a ninja, not that he wasn't from the village of the mist. In other translations I've seen, including the official English translation, the implication is that he is a student at the Hidden Mist academy, but not of graduating age.

[10sarg]

thats true he was from the mist but not at nin level in the exam

[Azure Wrath]

on topic, i really dont think suigetsu is Sai's bro.
there isn't much evidence on it, if you go by looks, then i ask you why sai's teeth look... er... slightly human?
jsut coz they have similar hair doesnt mean too much... if nothing at all.

[jounin101]

on topic, i really dont think suigetsu is Sai's bro.
there isn't much evidence on it, if you go by looks, then i ask you why sai's teeth look... er... slightly human?
jsut coz they have similar hair doesnt mean too much... if nothing at all.

they arent blood brothers, they were both orphans or something like that, and were close...and there is more to the theory than just how suigetsu looks compared to sai's picture books!

[Tiamath]

on topic, i really dont think suigetsu is Sai's bro.
there isn't much evidence on it, if you go by looks, then i ask you why sai's teeth look... er... slightly human?
jsut coz they have similar hair doesnt mean too much... if nothing at all.

I agree that basing a theory purely off of resemblence is a little silly. Remember when half the forum was convinced that Sai's brother was really Mizuki, just because they used the same weapon? But as Jonin101 says, the two aren't blood brothers, and this theory is based off of more than just Suigetsu's resemblence to the boy in Sai's sketchpad. There is also the known link between Orochimaru and Danzou, and Kishimoto's unerring sense of co-incidence, bringing Sai to the forefront (as he did in 347) at the same time as he introduced Suigetsu. Also, there are a few interesting similarities in the manner in which Sai and Suigetsu speak. *Edit: Someone also mentioned the fact that they both are said to have come from the 'same blood-mist village,' though I can't confirm that.*

One thing about this 'toothy' problem that everyone keeps pointing out...there are, quite literally, cultures in this world where filing your teeth into points is considered very attractive. (The one I'm thinking of is in South America, but there are probably more.) Just because Suigetsu has shark-like teeth doesn't mean he was born that way, even if you ignore the fact that he was the subject of Orochimaru's experimentation. :) Of course, a great big hole in this theory is Kisame's sharkskin (I doubt that is cosmetic), but still. Who knows? Filed teeth might be the way a Mist jounin becomes popular with the ladies...XD

[10sarg]

for suigetsu to be sai's brother (not in blood terms)then they'd of had to spend time together to realise this bond. but i for one feel suigetsu would simply be to busy with training under zabuza etc i mean for the village to recognise him as one of the next 7 swordsmen they'd have to believe he'd be there for the villages best interest.

the only thing that could tie it all together is the fact that zabuza left the village and then the village leader saw no place for suigetsu and cast him out and thats were he got introduced to root etc.

[Tiamath]

Question: when Suigetsu refers to Zabuza, is he calling him 'sensei' or 'sempai?' I thought Zabuza was merely an older colleague, not his actual teacher. The 'sempai' relationship could merely be a recognition of Zabuza's skill and age, not an indication that Suigetsu trained under him.

...if Zabuza is Suigetsu's sensei, how does Haku figure into all of this? oO

[Hellchild915]

Im pretty sure he caled him sempai but he must had trained with him to use that sword since thats the only way he could get it

[Nepenthe]

on the whole teeth bit... it seems that the jagged teeth are trademarks of the hidden mist swordsmen. zabuza and kisame both have them as well. thats probably why Zabuza wore the bandages on his face to hide his teeth and therefore his identity as a swordsmen of the mist (as if the giant butchers knife wasnt a dead give away)


I think suigetsu is definitely from the mist. he knew zabuza very well, well enough to call him sempai. also almost every nin that displays a certain affinity towards an element usually comes from from that elements respective village. the only real exception is Konoha nin which is a veritable melting pot of ninja's.

also you guys are talking about people defecting from their village like its something thats done every day with no problems, and obviously thats not the case. anyone remember hunter-nins? If suigetsu left the hidden mist for konoha he would have been labeled as a missing-nin and hunter-nins would have been on his tail in no time flat. The same would have happened if sai went to mist village. Also dont bring in the whole sasuke doing it arguement, because Konoha was severely weakened so hunter nins couldnt be used. Zabuza probably killed all the hunter nins that came after him (probably the reason why Haku had on of their masks). there is a chance that he could have gotten away, but I doubt he would be trusted by danzo (someone who is fiercely and corruptly loyal to konoha) and recruited into his own faction of konoha nin, even if suigetsu said he would give them secrets of mist village.

I think there is a slight chane of suigetsu being sais brother but as of right now Im not betting on it.

[Like2Gamble]

Question: when Suigetsu refers to Zabuza, is he calling him 'sensei' or 'sempai?' I thought Zabuza was merely an older colleague, not his actual teacher. The 'sempai' relationship could merely be a recognition of Zabuza's skill and age, not an indication that Suigetsu trained under him.

...if Zabuza is Suigetsu's sensei, how does Haku figure into all of this? oO

Zabuza found Haku on his way out of the village. So appearantly, Suigetsu was probably his student up until the time he gets exiled from the village.

[y.o.]

I dont think that zabuza lends out his sword for his students to train w/!!!

[oipotty]

interesting theory but i think seigetsu called zabuza senpai. he was probly just someone elder in the village

[el naruto]

I dont think that zabuza lends out his sword for his students to train w/!!!

He probably trained with another blade so he could enheirt it? Just a theory.

[superkhanh0]

i said this when we first met seigetsu and yea i believe the same byt i cud b wrong because the village different but they never truly explain where sai's family came from or what... so there still posibilities.

[ImThunder]

Share with u all this Link....

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10599

[BBRS]

Suigetsu is not Sai's brother! Seriously, Diedara is Ino's uncle cause he looks a tiny bit like her! Geez, annoying.


I could agree with that!


Spoiler below, the truth about Suigetsu...

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs15/f/2007/081/a/e/Suigetsu_OMG_by_Krazy_Chibi.jpg

Omg! That also has to be true! That picture looks like kishis work of art!

[samnas]

Found something interesting:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=8145547&postcount=1

[jounin101]

same shit jounin101 was saying forever, i think itll be revealed in the next 10 chapters.

[Tiamath]

After reading the discussion over at NarutoForum, a few other points occurred to me:

--Suigetsu has to take frequent breaks. Now, at first I assumed that this was because of his water nature, but could it be the mark of an invalid…?

--Second point refers to Suigetsu’s “Second Coming” title. Given that we know Zabuza earn the title “Demon of the Mist” years before he graduated the Kirigakure Academy (or at least before he reached graduating age), it would follow that Suigetsu would have to have shown a similar genius. So it is entirely possible that he had been apprenticed to the Seven Swordsmen at a very young age, and could have had years of training under Zabuza and Kisame before he somehow ended up in Root with Sai.

-- Third point: At some point in the past, both Zabuza and Kisame defected from both Kirigakure and the Seven Swordsmen. They were both listed as S-ranked missing nin. So it could have been possible that Suigetsu defected as well, before being captured by Orochimaru. (*Could an event have caused the defection of several of the Seven Swordsmen at once, including Suigetsu? It’s something to discuss.) As an apprentice (even a genius apprentice), he would not have been as capable of avoiding the shinobi hunters by himself. Note that every genius young missing-nin we’ve seen has had an older sempai or sensei to guide them; Sasuke and Orochimaru, Haku and Zabuza. In my opinion this makes the theory that Suigetsu went to Danzo/Konoha for protection in exchange for information plausible, though by no means solid.

--Fourth point: Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but…don’t Kirigakure and the surrounding Kiro no Kuni have a history of ‘purging’ those with strong Kekkai Genkai? I don’t know if what happened to Haku was an isolated case…and I don’t know if Suigetsu’s morphic nature is a blood inheritance or the result of Oro’s experimentation, but…he might have had a very good reason for skipping out from Kirigakure.

I'm not entirely convinced by the theory, but still. I’m of the opinion that these 4 points are possible, if not plausible.

What do you think?

[ZeroWillis]

I think the only thing that might disprove this theory is that Suigetsu was Sais friend from Root, no? And they're trained in Root to have no emotions, but it was said in Chapter 353 that he's 'always smiling'.

So I dunno about that.

[jounin101]

once again, they arent "blood brothers" they were like naruto and sasuke for the most part. best friends...

[Hidden Ninja]

thats actually a good point jounin, not blood brother but like sasuke and naruto. best friends that were like brothers. which is nice because then suigetsu replaces naruto for sasuke and naruto replaces suigetsu for sai.

[jounin101]

then they have one big homo orgy, giving sakura "splash waterfalls"(luda's song). just kidding, and i think i died a little inside for saying that.
but still, i wonder how this is all gonna turn out, cause i dont think sasuke and sui are gonna be down with becoming konoha nins(could be wrong tho)

[the killer Uchiha]

Sai being from the hidden mist village would also explain why he is incapable of making facial expressions and why he doesn't how to act around people.