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Since chapter 237 came out there have been discussions of a time leap of 3 years. Now what would be the older version of naruto look like, i wonder?


I'm sure some of the main part of the cast would have a new costume.

Or a more different approach in life. like a big change in attitude, or a difference in body structure.

i was wondering if anybody has a nice premonition of a more mature characters.





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[narutoIZZAbest]

i dont think theyll go that fast
and did you see chap 2thrity8 raw (sorry my "three" doesnt work) >_>

[Asperitas]

in 238 it is obvious they do that!!! first a kakashi story, then I think it'll be three years in the future!

[hokage_99]

i didnt mean that on 238 they would change right away. i meant a future look on the cast.

will he look like the fourth, except that he has that fox-like whiskers on his face.

will sakura have long hair again? how about ino?

when i meant change in body structure, chouji was exactly who i had in mind.

how about sasuke, will he look like an older version of itachi, with long hair and without the eye bags?

[aiel]

haha shikamaru and gaara will in my opinion be the most interesting dudes to see how they look like...


i think many of the others will probably look exactly the same but taller and a lil bit more mature...

tho hinata and tenten will be fun to see... but as i said shikamaru and gaara will be the most interesting dudes


and btw do u think that lee will look exactly like gai then, but shorter?

[B166ER]

I think we'll have like at least an entire tome before we go three years in the future, to see kakashi story and the training of all the three main characters, and maybe of the others genin too.
anyway I think naruto will look a liitle bit like jirayai

[Asperitas]

what about konohamaru, moegi and that other guy?

[B166ER]

they'll be at least genin I guess

[hokage_99]

I'm guessing that the kakashi story in going to be a whole volume (7-8 chapter).

And about the konohamaru gang. i assume they will be gennins and they would be like naruto's present age.

But i dont agree with the part of naruto looking like jiraiya. i still think he's gonna look like the fourth.

[Asperitas]

maybe in 3 years the girls feel attracted to him!!! (in stead of sasuke, cos if you look at episode 20 everyone loves sasuke :P)

[hokage_99]

It would be nice if that would happen. But remember he still has the kyuubi inside of him, which was the reason he was hated in the first place.

[Asperitas]

It would be nice if that would happen. But remember he still has the kyuubi inside of him, which was the reason he was hated in the first place.

that's the reason he was hated by the adults (but since episode 62 everyone is surprised) and the children don't know that he even has it in himself :)

[Kokoro]

I think all the girls are gonna be more developed... hahaha, meaning, hot :wink: and the guys are gonna be more tall and masculine :D meaning handsome!! :lol:

[narutoIZZAbest]

though has anyone seen the raw version yet

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they dont look different at all...theyre all sixteen and yet still look exactly the same...strange huh?

[Asperitas]

how do you know that? it's impossible that you know!!!

[hokage_99]

they dont look different at all...theyre all sixteen and yet still look exactly the same...strange huh?

I agree that this impossible. give me one proof then i'll believe you. its like your saying kishimoto is so lazy that he wouldn't even change their appearances.

[Venom Unleashed]

they dont look different at all...theyre all sixteen and yet still look exactly the same...strange huh?

I agree that this impossible. give me one proof then i'll believe you. its like your saying kishimoto is so lazy that he wouldn't even change their appearances.The way i see it is he would keep there faces the same (unless some acrewed scars during the three year period) and then change maybe the hairstyle, clothes, "developement" in the girls, (snickers... hey i was talking about their training man!?... where is your peverted little mind at) and height. We also might see relationships begin to manifest too.

[Asperitas]

and maybe gai grows a moustache? :D

[Morpheus]

Yeah.. I think females will get a more "developed" body. That would be nice. I really want to see Sakura as a Tsunade apprentice... good clothes, good hairstyle and nice medical ninja jutsus. I think Naruto needs a change of clothing. Kiba also needs a change of style. Neji will probably change his clothes. Chouji will probably change. I hope Ino doesn't change, I like her. I just want her to "develop" he he. I hope Hinata gets a better hairstyle. I hope Anko and Genma get 3 man teams. And I want to see Konohomaru more mature and as a Gennin. I just regret that Sasuke won't be with Konoha genins. He was my favorite character. :roll:

[shadowmagus]

i totally agree with the need for a costume change. naruto being the most needed for one. next is kiba and shino. i think itll be interesting to see neji's progression as a ninja and a person(meaning his relationship with his family) in 3 years.

[race84as]

naruto is gonna be such a pretty boy when he returns. all the ladies are

gonna love him and he won't be such an akward dropout anymore. he'll

be an outstanding ninja.and it's obvious that everyoneelse will grow and

improve greatly as well. what im hope is that jiraiya will finally tell naruto

everything about his lineage during the thee years. there is no doubt he

knows everthing about where naruto comes from.

[Väterchen Frost]

I hope that naruto gets a cooler look, and that Sasuke doesnt wears Orochimarus ugly clothes - that would be extremly horrible.

About the others i totally agree with the most of you.

[ZrAeNiAn]

they dont look different at all...theyre all sixteen and yet still look exactly the same...strange huh?

I agree that this impossible. give me one proof then i'll believe you. its like your saying kishimoto is so lazy that he wouldn't even change their appearances.

it might be the reason why he wants to make the 3 year leap, after 3 (?) years of drawing the same characters and letting them develop in a non physical way, it might be fun for him to let them change to on the physical way. I know i would get tiered of always drawing the same characters i would like to change that. They do it in ever comic/cartoon/manga so why not naruto.

-Zr-

[hokage_99]

I'm glad i'n not the only one who wants something to change. but i dont think naruto would be such a ladies man now. though he is the main character he is also the comic relief. it wouldn't be any fun if naruto gets serious now.

Also it would be much better if all of them gets a costume change, hairstyle if possible and body. definitely the "physical attributes" needs to be change. :D

[Aranril]

I'm glad i'n not the only one who wants something to change. but i dont think naruto would be such a ladies man now. though he is the main character he is also the comic relief. it wouldn't be any fun if naruto gets serious now.

Also it would be much better if all of them gets a costume change, hairstyle if possible and body. definitely the "physical attributes" needs to be change. :D

:lol: I was expecting the same changes too... :oops: :mrgreen: Though I prefer the changes to be, uhm, "discreet"...

It's a refreshing start to see all the characters undergoing costume, hairstyle and/or style change.

On one part, I just want Hinata and Tenten to change their styles. They don't possess some interesting moves currently, I want more development from them.

I'm looking forward to Shika-Ino-Chouji team's costume/hairstyle changes. I doubt they'll have new moves: they just need to copy them from their fathers.

Somehow I felt Neji is okay right now. Even if Kishimoto changes him, I prefer his current self, minus the anti-Head-Family feeling.

Kiba and Shino will probably stay the same, seeing how they're comfortable with their current style. Probably Kiba will have a more spikier hair, maybe? :mrgreen:

Of course, who couldn't forget Lee? Uhm, he'll probably looks like Bruce Lee... hehe...

My premonition is the Sand Ninjas won't appear until Konoha is attacked again. And my premonition is that Konoha might have another new ally apart from the Hidden Village from Sand.

I just hoped Team #7 (a.k.a. Naruto's team) doesn't look like another Sannin clone all over again. *Hears moaning knowing Sasuke might wear the same style as Orochimaru's*

Off topic, isn't it nice listening to The Hampster Dance while writing this?

Maybe not, I'm listening to Love Hina's Sakura Saku. Isn't this, uhm, nice?

[hokage_99]

I'm also hoping for a big, and i mean big relationship change betweeen characters.

Like some of you guys said: temaki&shikamaru, ten-ten&lee, ino&chouji (a skinny chouji, mind you), a love triangle between hinata&naruto&sakura and of course.... it wouldn't hurt if relationships between jounnins will occur.

[Takato]

i want naruto to become taller....he the shortest from the gennins, i wish hell start looking like the 4'th handsome and cool, and not like jiraya!

[Lixie]

I think Naruto looks good as he is. If he gets "handsome," he wouldn't be Naruto. Of course he will get taller, he's a 12 year old growing boy. He will not be cool because being Naruto is about being a tard.

[thompkinsbrian]

maybe temari will be pregnant with shikimaru's child and Naruto will be growing a beard

[hokage_99]

maybe temari will be pregnant with shikimaru's child and Naruto will be growing a beard

Now this is waaay off base. no offense intended, but how sick can you get? They're only 12 for crying out loud

[Asperitas]

and in 3 years 15... thats insane!!!

[Vivi]

well... I would like Naruto to be more serious and be a bit more a genius like the 4th was... He learns a lot from Jiraiya but also develops a lot of cool jutsu by himself... because honestly... I am getting bored of is Kage-bunshin shit over and over again... Naruto needs more intelligence and it's not like he doesn't have any... but he has to calm down a bit...

And still sometimes Naruto-ish... and what about the orange outfit... drop it already... just more like the 4th ... with longer hair and the head protector not on his forehead anymore please...

[Väterchen Frost]

I think we will see that Naruto is some kind of genius because - think about it - how can he become as strong or maybe stronger than Sasuke?? Now after Sasuke got his 3dot Sharingan its very hard for Naruto to learn jutus as fast as Sasuke.

I also think that Naruto is going to be very likely to the 4th and not to Jiraiya.

On thing i want to say is that yeah the Kage-bunshin is a bit boring but think its interesting how many ways of use there are.

But one question i want to know is, if there is any Naruto this week, or if the Kakashi story will be in 2 weeks????? :?: :?:

[hokage_99]

I also agree about the kage-bunshin, too frequently used. at least try using a combo other than henge no jutsu.

and about kakashi's story.... dont know. we'll see if it comes out on friday.

[ragstarichez]

I don't think Sasuke got the Mangekyou yet. He didn't kill Naruto, so he hasn't gotten it....right?

[race84as]

sasuke didn't get the mangekyou but he is determined to get it in his own way.

[Sanitybreak]

i think that naruto is gonna be all tall and people at first wont reconize him (kinda like Goku when he came back from training by kami at the end of dragon ball)

[hokage_99]

Does anybody think that kishimotot is gonna add new characters?

[athos]

Yeah, probably one or two in a transition from part 1 to 2.

[ZrAeNiAn]

Does anybody think that kishimotot is gonna add new characters?

i wonder if he is gonna drop some... in 3 years a lot happens.. and who knows in that time someone could get killed.

-Zr-

[athos]

Maybe Asuma because he smokes too much :lol:

[Väterchen Frost]

Has one of you ever thought about the jutsus all the carackters are going to use i the future?? I want Naruto to learn some more jutsu from the Fourth and some Water jutsu - because Sasuke is using fire - and i want him to get a sword (because i like swords, and i think they look cool).

Also i have just watched some of the old Naruto Episodes and saw the First Hokage using his awesome tree-jutsu and was wondering if Naruto could learn it and if the Plant Guy from Akatsuki would know it because this jutsu is extremly strong.

What do you think?? What Jutsu will the characters learn??

[kenshinmonkey]

i think that sasuke will end up killing oro and leading the sound

[shahruken]

Hey does anyone else think it would be TOO COOL to have naruto make his own rasengen which he can fire or throw and control with kyubi chakra!!!!! some big massive fireball type thing. :twisted:

[hokage_99]

one thing that might be really freaky, is if naruto is related to an uchiha. and develops his sharingan when he return in 3 years.

[shadowmagus]

i wouldnt want that to happen. cause sharingan is a itachi and sasuke thing. like chidori. and rasengan is a naruto and jirayai and yondaime thing. we wouldnt want everybody to kno each others jutsus and stuff or else it gets boring. best if we keep everythign unique

[Katonsasuke]

Uhm that definetely wouldn't happen....
If Naruto was related to the Uchiha it would be just plain weird and useless to the story, anyway even if he was related he'd have to have the bloodline in order to be able to awaken the sharingan and if you're just related...u probably wont be able to have the bloodline.

Think about it....
Naruto-Blonde Hair
All the Uchiha-Black hair

[kenshinmonkey]

Well when it comes to Narutos family...im pretty sure hes related to the 4th...i mean they look almost identical...and i mean the hokage was a good guy so he wouldnt use anyone elses kid for that...so he used his own...

[Jasper]

iam alittle confused does sasuke have the same sharingan as itachi now or does he jus have all 3 dots and also why would he skip 3 years into the future i mean he might show like a few things from the whole 3 years cause it would be werid that all the suden sasuke is like uber strong and has like lvl 4 curse seal,and itachi's sharingan or naruto can transform into kyuubi or something along thoughs lines.

[kenshinmonkey]

Well in response to your question about Sasukes sharingan...no they aren't at the same as Itachi's, but they are at the same level as Kakashi's, Sasuke isn't able to use them as well i don't think, because he hasn't used them as much as Kakashi, but his eyes ARE at that level...^_^

:? I dont know how I feel about the skipping 3 years deal...it seems kinda stupid to me, but it would progress the series faster, and im sure they would have flashbacks to show what happened.

[hokage_99]

Btw, sasuke doesnt have a 4th cursed seal, only 3rd. first stage of the curse is half of the body is covered with tatoos. second stage is his whole body is covered. third stage is when they transform into whatever is unique to their own skills.

I was just speculating on the sharingan thing. it would be interesting if that happens. i agree that naruto has some of the fourths looks on him cause of his hair. but if you color obito's hair yellow. you'll see what i mean about naruto being an uchiha.

[Jasper]

maybe baruto just looks like the fourth because when he put kyuubi into naruto he died maybe during the switch a piece of him went with naruto or naruto is his son which is more likely.

[Daisumaru]

Btw, sasuke doesnt have a 4th cursed seal, only 3rd. first stage of the curse is half of the body is covered with tatoos. second stage is his whole body is covered. third stage is when they transform into whatever is unique to their own skills.

Damn, that's a nice thing to assume, but I bet your wrong and here's why, think back to chapter 184 or go back and read it if you can't remember. The seishingen that was given to Sasuke forces the curse seal to upgrade, forces their body to stage 2 and seeing how the monster form was how Sasuke looked(minus the wings) when he emerged from the barrellel it's much more logicall to assume that the monster stage is curse seal 2. Not to mention that Jiroubou specifically calls it level 2(189end), Sakon reffers to Kidoumaru's monster form as "his second form(195-10), Sakon and his conjoined twin "Kill Quickly...."-"Activate "Level 2"!!"(203-08), and Tayuya "I wasn't expecting to use "Level 2" in a place like this"(208-09).

[Katonsasuke]

Yeah I can see what you mean about the Obito/Naruto thing but if you look at the other Uchihas youll see that none of them look like Naruto.

I think in the chapters where they're three years ahead they will show like little bits of each of the characters trainings so we won't be confused how they learned it and such.

[hokage_99]

I hope so too....

but in the meantime i would like a second opinion regarding the cursed seal of sasuke. i'm pretty sure i'm right. but who knows..... i'll admit i'm wrong if someone can contradict me properly

[kenshinmonkey]

I think that there are only 2 revealed so far...because they call the transformed one a level 2 cursed seal...i think that when it covered his whole body(which it didn't completly do) it was full level 1 and the half body thing was just the begining of it...but thats what im thinking anyway...but like i said they state in the manga that the transformed verison is the cursed seal is the second level, though i can see where you are coming from with there being 3...sooooo confusing...damn chakara eating seals anyway

[hokage_99]

man, i hope they finish the gaiden soon. i cant wait to find out what happens next in naruto. what jutsu's he learns......

maybe he'll learn that jutsu that the fourth used, that teleporting jutsu. now that would really rock.

[Jasper]

i didnt say he had 4th lvl curse seal i was talking in a i hope so kinda way like hasnt happened but might. sorry for miss leading you all

[kenshinmonkey]

i didnt say he had 4th lvl curse seal i was talking in a i hope so kinda way like hasnt happened but might. sorry for miss leading you all

I knew what ya mean man...i was just answerin that one dudes question...

[NarutoLeeFan]

Do you think, since Sasuke can copy techniques, he'd have copied Naruto's rasengan? Its possible, and he'll probably be able to do the corpse summoning too.

[kenshinmonkey]

Do you think, since Sasuke can copy techniques, he'd have copied Naruto's rasengan? Its possible, and he'll probably be able to do the corpse summoning too.

I dont think he copied the rasengan because he was way too into the fight. He was strugguling alot when he was fighting naruto so i doubt he had the chance. And about the corpse summoning thing, i doubt he has the skill to do it, he might no how but that doesn't mean he can.

[Väterchen Frost]

I dont even think it is possible to copy Rasengan because it´s only chakra and so you don´t have hand-seals that can be copied like chidori.

Also please no tripple post!

[kenshinmonkey]

Wow...sorry...i didn't mean to tripple post like that. The forum was saying that there was a problem sending my post or something like that so i just clicked refresh until it worked...my bad...-_-'

[shahruken]

Hey i was wondering if anyone ever saw my post on page 3 on the bottom. No one seemed to care

:cry: :shock: :)

It was about naruto learning a new jutsu after time jump like for example if he modified the rasengan so that he could release it at someone instead of diving into the persons chest and he could control the direction of it as well (kinda like DBZ krillin energy discs)

Anyone have a thought?[/b]

[Väterchen Frost]

About that i don´t think that will happen because firstly i don´t think you can throw chakra, and for the Rasengan you have to keep it in his shape, and secondly i think that would be too much DBZ. :?

Also i think if that happens Sasukes chidori should be thrown also and don´t want that to happen. :!: :!: :!:

But about modifying jutsu i just think he will learn to use rasengan with one hand, and the Kyubi chakra.

Also i hope he wont just make a better use of his old jutsu like Kage-Bunshin but learns more technikes that Yondaime used, and will improve his using of the Kyubi chakra :D

[shahruken]

Yeah i guess ur right it would be TOO MUCH DBZ. So u reckon hell have a more devestating red rasengan? with one hand.

Sounds cool. :P Maybe it could be larger 2....

I cant wait for grown up naruto hopefully hell be "cool" but still a joker like jiraya.

[Ekiyashi]

Personally, DBZ is Crap...Sorry, seen it all, watched it, the Jap ones and the American. I only like the Butakai games. But. Back on topic here. I'v come up with something kinda weird, I noticed, in the pictures before the actual comic, like, random Kiba and his sister comics, come in some kind of pattern, as if those are future looks, and if you look back at one of the manga beginings, it shows Naruto, wairing one of the Jounin vests, and all adult like. I'm probebly wrong, I deleted the picture and won't look through all the chapters to find it, but I imagine he would simply look like fourth with whiskers and darker eyes, possibly in a state were he can keep those awesome Kyubi Eyes. As for Jutsu's, all pointless, it would be TOO DBZish to do such a thing, he should have all the same moves he has now, but have the ability to use them faster, and have better Bushin maybe. Too waste time BSing around with "Levels" will just make a new DBZ, and no offence to patrons, but who wants a copy of that? When thus far it's been pretty good with moves and levels.

[Ekiyashi]

Okay, I just read most of this forum (sad...I know...) on this...Now, first off, if this was ANYTHING like how cheesy Dragayonball Zippersundone was, I wouldn't be intrested, Kishimoto deserves alot more respect for how he took chakra and chi and made it into something relitivly good and unique, I see alot of this DBZ crap all over the forum, I don't care about peoples oppionions on DBZ, but comon, if this was DBZ with Kishimoto's Characters, we would already have "Super Kyubi's" and "Konoballs" Yeah, this is alot diffrent then DBZ and to compare it, in my veiw is to insult it. Now, as for this Rasengan thing, Sherangan can copy signs and manouvers made pysicly, and Rasengan requires no signs or moves, only chakra controll. So Sasuke couldn't copy it, now, maybe if he could dig deeper into one's mind, like Itachi can, then it's a possibility. Otherwise, it's not going to happen, Sherangan cannot copy basic movements, only jutsu, and if I wanted to be all arrogent and technic....What do I care? Rasengan isn't a Jutsu, it's just Chakra controll, so Sasuke can't "capture" it.

[hokage_99]

Thats true, no matter what, sasuke cant copy a skill without handsigns.that would really suck if he has chidori and rasengan at the same time. and i'm very sure that naruto will definitely have new jutsu's for us coming up.

[Väterchen Frost]

Personally, DBZ is Crap...Sorry, seen it all, watched it, the Jap ones and the American. I only like the Butakai games. But. Back on topic here. I'v come up with something kinda weird, I noticed, in the pictures before the actual comic, like, random Kiba and his sister comics, come in some kind of pattern, as if those are future looks, and if you look back at one of the manga beginings, it shows Naruto, wairing one of the Jounin vests, and all adult like. I'm probebly wrong, I deleted the picture and won't look through all the chapters to find it, but I imagine he would simply look like fourth with whiskers and darker eyes, possibly in a state were he can keep those awesome Kyubi Eyes. As for Jutsu's, all pointless, it would be TOO DBZish to do such a thing, he should have all the same moves he has now, but have the ability to use them faster, and have better Bushin maybe. Too waste time BSing around with "Levels" will just make a new DBZ, and no offence to patrons, but who wants a copy of that? When thus far it's been pretty good with moves and levels.

:evil: Personally I don´t think the same way then you about DBZ, i just like the manga. :evil:

But back to the topic, i don´t like the thought that all Naruto will do in the future are the same jutsus as always, i just hope he will get some of Yondaimes moves like Body Flicker and so on. Also i want him to control his Kyubi use, just like Sasukes Sharingan, althought i don´t mean the control of the chakra but the real outcome of Kyubi with the Kyubieyes and all.

[Named]

I hope people realise the concept adopted for DBZ originated in Chinese mythology (or some kind of mythology)
And when I hear people complaining about similarities between Naruto and DBZ, it irritates me beyond irritation.
Since it is an old concept used BY DBZ, not INVENTED by DBZ, using the same logic, it could be said the Blade movies copy Buffy the Vampire Slayer, since they both have vampires in them.
But hold on... The Vampire concept is a very old myth, one writer cannot be accused of copying another for utilising the same ancient concept.
THE SAME can be said of DBZ, which is of course the relation i'm attempting to establish.
I don't care if some aspects of Naruto run parallel with DBZ, it is an interesting, very old concept that has reappeared throughout Asian culture for many, many years. Copying?!

Besides, Kishimoto is a professed devoted fan of DBZ. If you don't like that, too bad :P I still think he's brilliant.

[Ah, I wasn't implying this was the present argument in the thread, but I see hints of it surfacing, so I want to sink it right now before it completely arises :lol:]

I agree that the Rasengan cannot be copied. It is not a conventional jutsu, it is a focusing of Chakra, a skill one must learn for him/herself, not through mimicking or copying the actions of another. ^^

[tifffannumber1]

First of all I speak spanish so sorry for all the errors you may find.

After reading Ekiyashi posts, I decided to join the forum, because i wanted to say to him that I fell very sorry for him, it didn't took him 10-20 episodes of DBZ to figure out DBZ was crap, you have to watch hundreds of episodes in English, then in Japanese, and after watching that final episode you finally saw the light, DBZ was crap! I'm very happy I can made up my mind about a show without watching 100's of ep's.
Named, some characters are slightly based on Chinese mythology, but all the powers and the main stories are Original. But this things happens in Naruto too, Jiraiya is based on a legendary ninja.
I don't understand why when someone saids anything about DBZ there are a couple of people who jump and saids DBZ is crap and that it has nothing to do with Naruto, well you will disapointed to hear that Kishimoto Masashi thinks otherwise, I live in Spain and here they sell a magazine about Manga, that sometimes comes with a DVD with trailers, previews, interviews, and some months ago there was one with Kishimoto Masashi, thay asked him something like this "People campares your Series to Akira Toriyama's "Dragon Ball", what's your opinion about that?", he said, "Dragon Ball were a great and very succesful series and I fell very grateful that people compares Naruto to it. I can understand why people find similarities in both series, I used to love Dragon Ball, so maybe unconsciously I put a little of the things I used to watch into Naruto.", there are more questions where he mentions Dragon Ball to explain things of Naruto. You can find over the web more interviews like this one, so don't trash other people just because they compare Naruto and DBZ.

[Named]

Named, some characters are slightly based on Chinese mythology, but all the powers and the main stories are Original. But this things happens in Naruto too, Jiraiya is based on a legendary ninja.
I don't understand why when someone saids anything about DBZ there are a couple of people who jump and saids DBZ is crap and that it has nothing to do with Naruto, well you will disapointed to hear that Kishimoto Masashi thinks otherwise

Whether or not English is your primary language, could you please bother to read all of my post, if you are capable?

Besides, Kishimoto is a professed devoted fan of DBZ. If you don't like that, too bad :P I still think he's brilliant.

Right there, a summary of the second half of your post, who are you lecturing again? o_O
I really don't understand, I thought you'd -agree- with me, which is what you inadvertently did. :?
Oh well...

[Spekstar]

I saw some people posting that the gennins were only around twelve or thirteen, I don't understand that.

They were twelve/thirteen at the beginning of the story, but if you look at how much time has past between those 2 moments it wouldn't be very unlikly if they were 14/15 and after the 3 year break they could easily be 17/18.

and Btw if the storyline continues in three years, It'll be too late, so it'll probably be a break of 2 and a half years or something like that.

[race84as]

not much time has passed in the manga. there was supposed to be another chuunin exam six months after the first one and they still didn't get that far. as for the rasengan, i think the rasengan technique was all about not just control but also knowing how to spin your chakra, and im pretty sure that sasuke could've easily seen how the chakra was being handled by naruto and incorporate the chakra motion with his chidori. rock lee's combo and speed didn't require any handseals but sasuke was able to copy them anyway.

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

sharringan can copy taijutsu so that explains how he picked up lee's fighting....i dont think he copied the speed, i think he just trained to get his speed up.

[hokage_99]

thats exactly what sasuke and kakashi did up in those mountains. train in speed and practice on the taijutsu that he picked up.

[nawar]

exatly

[tifffannumber1]

Named, some characters are slightly based on Chinese mythology, but all the powers and the main stories are Original. But this things happens in Naruto too, Jiraiya is based on a legendary ninja.
I don't understand why when someone saids anything about DBZ there are a couple of people who jump and saids DBZ is crap and that it has nothing to do with Naruto, well you will disapointed to hear that Kishimoto Masashi thinks otherwise

Whether or not English is your primary language, could you please bother to read all of my post, if you are capable?

Besides, Kishimoto is a professed devoted fan of DBZ. If you don't like that, too bad :P I still think he's brilliant.

Right there, a summary of the second half of your post, who are you lecturing again? o_O
I really don't understand, I thought you'd -agree- with me, which is what you inadvertently did. :?
Oh well...

I think you misundertand me or I didn't wrote it right, for you i only wrote the "some characters are slightly based on Chinese mythology, but all the powers and the main stories are Original." line, everything else was for Ekiyashi.

[Named]

That's fine ^^
If you want to avoid such confusions, either address each person you're posting to or start a new paragraph to separate points of your discussion/argument, to break the address you made to me originally :P

[Kaiwub]

sharringan can copy taijutsu so that explains how he picked up lee's fighting....i dont think he copied the speed, i think he just trained to get his speed up.
The Sharingan HAD to have played some part in his getting faster. I mean how could it have taken Lee Years and only taken him 3 months.

[Ezequiel]

The Sharingan HAD to have played some part in his getting faster. I mean how could it have taken Lee Years and only taken him 3 months.

I think that the sharingan had nothing to do with Sasuke's speed. It only copies jutsus, not speed (and Lee talks about this), I mean nothing to do with phisycal abilities. The thing that Sasuke could gain so much speed in 3 months is because he's a more important character than Lee, haha, I guess, or he's just better than him, didn't you think about that? :roll:

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

he gained some speed but has no stamina for the speed, he can only bust it out every once in a while. he cant use it all the time like lee can, on top of that lee is WAY faster than sasuke due to his training. sasuke can do some dashing, BRIEFLY and he's STILL out of breath.

[hokage_99]

he gained some speed but has no stamina for the speed, he can only bust it out every once in a while. he cant use it all the time like lee can, on top of that lee is WAY faster than sasuke due to his training. sasuke can do some dashing, BRIEFLY and he's STILL out of breath.

i agree with this, cause lee is just really pumped up by all that weird training he puts himself up to, while sasuke in the other hand just wants an ego boost thats all. he's nothing compared to lee in taijustu and speed.

[Fungus]

WRONG...

Sasuke has the same speed as Rock Lee when he had the weights off, even Gai said so... you are correct about the stamian though, he can keep up that keep for long, though se does seem too. >_>

[Väterchen Frost]

I´m wondering if Lee will be to use the drunke fist style after the 3 Years skip without Sake, I think that woulb be really cool.

[Fungus]

Of course not. Why do you think its called the Drunken Fist style? YOU DO IT WHEN YOURE DRUNK!

-sigh-

[Named]

Well, he/she may have meant "It'd be cool if Rock Lee became drunk later on, so he could do drunken fist again"
Simple adjustment of words.

And i'm not too concerned with what Gai said. From my own observation, Sasuke cannot move as fast as Lee without weights. I've seen nothing that suggests otherwise. Because as others have said earlier, he did not copy Lee's speed, he trained to level his speed up enough to effectively utilise the taijutsu he copied.
His level of speed may be close, but I don't see how it's possible to perfectly equal another's speed through training. (unless you train WITH them, which he did not)

[hokage_99]

I completely agree with this. No matter how sasuke trains, its impossible for sharingan to imitate the speed of lee. if it is possible, then sharingan is probably the best blood traits ever. so i'm sure that kishimoto didnt want sharingan to be all that high and mighty, thats why i believe lee's speed is unique only to him, sasuke doesnt even come close.

also if you would wanna compare, check the fight between lee and gaara, and sasuke's fight with gaara. in the fight, lee was beating the crap out of gaara with speed alone (of course, when i say beat, i meant try to beat gaara), check his speed, he was like vanishing, while sasuke on the other hand... he just kicks up dirt with his speed but he's still visible. lee kicks up dirt and is NOT as visible as sasuke was.

[dragon_50469]

I hope that Shikamaru works on his stamina cause he always runs out of chakra real fast and can't impliment his plans the way he wants. I kinda hope that someone dies cause I was disapointed that everyone was fine after they tried to to rescue Sasuke. I also want to see the anbu do something cause it seems that every time you see them they are just getting killed or beaten. I also want Naruto to summon more frogs instead of Gamabunta and the little red/yellow ones can't remember their names.

[hokage_99]

Um.. werent we talking about sharingan and taijutsu? Sorry, but i'm currently interested on what others think about the opinion of others about sharingan being able to copy taijutsu and speed.

btw.. if you want to know what the others think about what will happened later on. check the previous post in this thread.

[shadowmagus]

i dotn think sharingan can copy speed. in fact i kno that it cant copy speed.

[Named]

Whoa, dragon, that sure is a lot of requests >_>

But I agree that Shika really needs more stamina. He possibly has the worst Chakra endurance of all of them o_O

[narutoIZZAbest]

really? i never noticed that...

to me Shikamaru never showed anything like having high or low stimina... I always thought that Sakura had the lowest amount of stamina and the reason Shikamaru didn't move much was because he would want to use more stategy or either he was just to lazy to move...

[Named]

What we mean by stamina is the amount of Chakra they can use. Shika exhausts himself very quickly, and can only hold his techniques for a short amount of time before draining himself.

[hokage_99]

well, i'm sure shika has lots of chakra and stamina... its just like everybody say, he's just too damn lazy to do a thing.

[Named]

No, he admittedly has low stamina. He's lazy to commence action, once he's motivated, he is a reliable person who has risked his life to see his duty through.
It's -because- he's lazy that he has no stamina, I doubt he ever trained to raise it :lol:

[race84as]

im pretty sure shikamaru will be working really hard to improve every aspect of his ninja way in order to lead successful missions without any casualties from his team which includes stamina, taijutsu, ninjutsu, whatever genjutsu he may have, and master the secret techniques of his clan. I personally cant wait to see how much he grows.

[Väterchen Frost]

I just think schikamaru will work on his strategy and will gain some experience in leading a team, because thats his strength. Ok it would be usefull if he would know some more jutsu but i think he´s cool as he is just like lee.

What i really hope is that Hinata will do something about her strength.

[narutoIZZAbest]

lol she is...

her strength and stamina wasn't even really strong from the beginning...but anyways I really think that all she needs is a boost of self-confidence..

and when did Shikamaru admit that he had low stamina? :|

[graff]

Hinatas probably the character that im most interested to see the change in...mostly because i want to see if her confidence has improved. that and the whole relationship thing with naruto will be interesting to see!! :wink:

[hokage_99]

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Looks like some of our predictions came through. yay, we got us a costume change! too bad its only for the kids though....

but one things for sure, there are gonna be a lot of great "can't wait till its next friday" to come.

[Ezequiel]

About Hinata u may be right. She would be a really powerful character with a little more of confidence, I mean, she comes from one of the most powerful clans (in my opinion) and owns pure Hyuuga blood. She´ll be great, and yeah! I´m expecting to see more between Naruto and her :lol:

And Shikamaru would be great to if he trains more, he has one of the most brilliant brains in the manga, but lack of strong power, techniques, whatever :P I expect much more of him too!

[Eternal Angel Of Death]

Okay...People, you all seriusly need to switch to decaf or something...Hinata probebly has Zero Chance of being with Naruto at the end of the story...It's pretty obvious that in (Spoiler alert from here on) the new chapter Sakura will fall for Naruto in the end...all googling over him from the second she sees him...And before that even, she shows some caring for him, for going after Sasuke. Hinata might just be there on the sidelines, althought brunetts that can kill you is kind of hot...It's just not going to happen. She's not important enough a Character to be with him.

[graff]

i stick to the prediction that sakura will fall for rock lee and ino will fall for chouji. naruto better end up with hinata

kyubii+hyuuga blood limit= ownage

[.:Alias:.]

I don't think there's much of a chance for Hinata Naruto either (though I'd like that), but I also find it still unlikely for Sakura to fall for Naruto, even after reading 245...
The highest propability is that he won't get hooked up, because it is not that kinda big deal in that series.

[hokage_99]

I don't think there's much of a chance for Hinata Naruto either (though I'd like that), but I also find it still unlikely for Sakura to fall for Naruto, even after reading 245...
The highest propability is that he won't get hooked up, because it is not that kinda big deal in that series.

i think there is gonna be some sort of hook up, after all if kishimoto isnt into that.... why say that ino and sakura have a crush on sasuke at all? or hinato with naruto?

[DukeAbercrombie]

...........

[venin]

he will definetly improve in strategy but i am not sure if he gets that good at taijitsu even his jitsu doesnt need taijitsu he could just increase his chakra and use his secret techniques and do the planning as a commander who doesnt make mistakes

[Naruto_Guru]

However it would be cool to see Naruto increase his taijutsu.

[saiyanjw]

only reason that i think his taijutsu isnt going to be anything speical is because he trained under jiyaria and he isnt known for taijutsu.

[Naruto_Guru]

only reason that i think his taijutsu isnt going to be anything speical is because he trained under jiyaria and he isnt known for taijutsu.

You could train under anyone and just practice below average taijutsu and become very fast and strong....Ok

[Uchiha Adrian]

aye but his ninjutsu will be alot stronger 2 deal with.

[Naruto_Guru]

aye but his ninjutsu will be alot stronger 2 deal with.

Maybe...

[pretear]

i don't see jriaiya as a taijutus user. so how could naruto inprove his taijutus if we haven't seen jriaiya use it. he maybe to old to use taijutus.

[Crym]

well... I would like Naruto to be more serious and be a bit more a genius like the 4th was... He learns a lot from Jiraiya but also develops a lot of cool jutsu by himself... because honestly... I am getting bored of is Kage-bunshin shit over and over again... Naruto needs more intelligence and it's not like he doesn't have any... but he has to calm down a bit...

And still sometimes Naruto-ish... and what about the orange outfit... drop it already... just more like the 4th ... with longer hair and the head protector not on his forehead anymore please...


WTF!!! i happen to love the dam outfit lol. The head band on his head looks kik ass. Has the village pride. i Dont want him to look like the 4th Naruto has his own style. Hopefully he dont get serius or i might have to drop this anime. GO ORANGE JUMP SUITE!!

[B166ER]

i don't see jriaiya as a taijutus user. so how could naruto inprove his taijutus if we haven't seen jriaiya use it. he maybe to old to use taijutus.
everyone uses taijutsu, some are taijutsu specialist, but any ninja can use it, and even if taijutsu is not jirayai speciality, he's at least at jounin's level in taijutsu...

[Amatsu Mikaboshi]

"it would be cool to see them all in thier highschool years "

what are you talking about, they ARE in their high school years.

[Mindblade16]

High School? They are graduated from compulsory schooling(Academy)

Thats it for thier education in that capacity. The rest will come from training and fighting experience.

Don't compare the world of Naruto to the current preformed symbolic complex we are all wrapped up in. If you think that sucks then break out and set up a new society based on these other rules as you like. Nobody said you have to copy the old style of living, its just expected :p

[CRtwenty]

I doubt the Narutoverse has high schools, at least not for Ninjas.

They finish their official schooling when they graduate from the Academy, granted there is additional training they can get (like the ANBU or Medic-Nins) but pretty much everything else is simply combat and technique practice.

[Mindblade16]

Obviously there is a whole lot else for them to learn, like Calculus and Quantum Mechanics and such, but they can pursue those on thier own ambition. Look at the questions they have to answer in the written part of the Chunnin Exam and you'll see that ninjas that have already been chunnin for quite a while are expected to have the soverignty to pursue knowledge on thier own without need for classes.

[CRtwenty]

The world isn't made up entirely of Ninjas though. Ninjas are like an elite mercenary force for the countries lucky enough to have a Hidden Village. But there's plenty of normal people who do normal things, and most likely go to normal schools.

[DukeAbercrombie]

...........

[graff]

in the manga naruto is 15 1/2

[NaruMike]

agreed

[dragon_50469]

I wonder how much chakra Naruto has now since he was already able to summon Gamabunta, Gamakichi, a whole lot of kage bunshins, and do a transformation with Gamabunta in just one fight? Now with Naruto's increased body size his chakra is probably greater than Kakashi's.

[Divinedemon]

i dont kno about greater than kakashi's because kakashi has been training during this time period as well. definently greater when kyuubi chakra is released

[graff]

kakashi said when they were fighting zabuza that naruto and sauske already had nearly as much chakara as him. they just didnt know how to channel it like him

[Chaoticfury]

yea naruto has a whole lot of chakra especially more than kikashi his problem was that he couldnt do nothing with it except a few techniques so its kinda hard to see what he can really do with it... i hope the three years changed all this though

[Divinedemon]

ooooo yea i forgot about that conversation thx for clearin that up..... well that does mean naruto and sasuke could possibly have more chakra than kakashi but i still think kakashi has more control overall

[Chaoticfury]

kakashi would though he is a jounin but naruto does seem a lil bit more um wiser believe it or not especially when he went against kakashi for those bells again hopefully thats a sign of him not being such a dumba$$

[Divinedemon]

kakashi would though he is a jounin but naruto does seem a lil bit more um wiser believe it or not especially when he went against kakashi for those bells again hopefully thats a sign of him not being such a dumba$$
lol naruto was never a dumba$$ he was just misunderstood so he felt to act that way to draw attention(thus taking away from his learning potential making him kinda... well ok a dumba$$) anyway he has friends now and has no reason to act out so he concentrates more

[Daisumaru]

I wonder how much chakra Naruto has now since he was already able to summon Gamabunta, Gamakichi, a whole lot of kage bunshins, and do a transformation with Gamabunta in just one fight? Now with Naruto's increased body size his chakra is probably greater than Kakashi's.

Ummm.. Naruto used Gamabunta's lent cahakra to change them into Kyuubi. Though I'm sure his own chakra has increased several fold from his training and he probably would not have to depend on Kyuubi's as much anymore.

[ROCK_LEE_BOGARD]

Uhm that definetely wouldn't happen....
If Naruto was related to the Uchiha it would be just plain weird and useless to the story, anyway even if he was related he'd have to have the bloodline in order to be able to awaken the sharingan and if you're just related...u probably wont be able to have the bloodline.

Think about it....
Naruto-Blonde Hair
All the Uchiha-Black hair

Hair color is irrelevant as far as genetics go in a few anime series, also Haku possed his mother's bloodline limit despite the fact that his father didn't have the same bloodline. Being related is enough to awaken bloodline limits. I seriously doubt Naruto will be related to the Uchiha's though, thats just lame.

[CRtwenty]

Naruto doesn't need a bloodline, he has a freaking demon sealed inside him!

[KageNaruto]

OK, as the title says this thread is dedicated for non other than 4tk naruto(4 tailed kyubi naruto).

So, what do you think of the look? do you think it doesent fit in the narutoverse and looks plain wierd, do you think it looks kool?

How much do you think it actually takes away from Naruto's life? How many minutes do you think Naruto is able to last in that form?

What about that Kamehameha(lol) attack, the bubbles that formed the big bubble were white AND black right? So do you think its chakra and blood perhaps?

Anything else you wanna discuss about 4tk naruto, this thread is all for that.

So the first time naruto transformed into this mode, i was like "er, wtf? he looks really.... strange"

About a week after the fight between him and Oro finsihed I for some wierd reason begn really liking how 4tk naruto looked, also reminded me of what happened Takkun in FLCl in the final ep when he got 2 quitars, lol.

So please discuss away, if you diss 4tk ill strangle y... just kiding lol.

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

your avatar kicks ass.it's the best i ever seen and your sig is cool too.but umm 4tk is pretty cool man.imo ppl overrate him a bit because me personaly don't think the sannin can really be defeated by him or to say at there best and going all out they would win everytime.it's just that their sannins man to lose to 4tk what would they do if the kyuubi came back.4tk has to be way weaker than regular kyuubi so if they can hardly or simply can't beat 4tk their screwed.but umm i think he's pretty damn strong almost on the able to beat sannins lv..umm the huge super powerful mouth blast was awesome it's just superb.and his life shortening i think it takes at least hours from his lifespan.like 5 or so pretty stupid yea i know.and him holding that form i would say 30mins but to last 30mins with that is hell and is it possible now somtheing like that is different maybe then he can beat the sannin if they just only try to last as long ass they can agasin't him

[regina777]

kagnaruto- i thought you didnt like naruto in 4 tail form? Didnt you make arguments against this form before?

if so why the sudden change?

[KageNaruto]

kagnaruto- i thought you didnt like naruto in 4 tail form? Didnt you make arguments against this form before?

if so why the sudden change?

yeah, i kinda manetioned that. it just grew on me i guess. like at first i was really spectical, because it appeared really non-narutoish (i mean the style kishi ususally makes transformations), but after a while i just began to like it more and more.

and now you could call me an obsessed 4tk fan, if i could find a "good" 4tk sig I'd have that too, but for now i have to settle with 3 tails.

as to why my opinion changed, dunno, maybe i was just skeptical at first and then kishi put my worries at ease?

[imported_Greenlitflag]

Is it confirmed whether or not 4TK Naruto's chakra ball is actually black? Someone mention something in a theory about that attack being related to sasuke's black chidori.

[y.o.]

I doubt it has anything to do w/ that black chidori!! And I have liked 4TKN since the 1st time I seen him, largely due to the fact that it was so different from what we have seen so far, like jariya said, he looks like a miniture kyuubi!!

[imported_Greenlitflag]

I doubt it has anything to do w/ that black chidori!! And I have liked 4TKN since the 1st time I seen him, largely due to the fact that it was so different from what we have seen so far, like jariya said, he looks like a miniture kyuubi!!

Well I dunno, I figure there might be reason why black chakra exist seeing as how we've seen it twice before (assuming 4TK's ball was black.) Oh and I think 4TKN is cool. I thought it looked a little strange at first , but ultimately I'm excited to see it in the anime (5 years from now when the filler are over) or even play him in one of the future games.

[y.o.]

we've only seen it once, and sasukes chidori was more of a change of color cause I dont know of anyother way to convey it being more powerful! So they changed the color to visually represnt a change!

Naruto's chakra blast had red blood in it, Im assuming it was dark, so it was a mixing of the colors, I dont think that the color affect it that much!

Only one that comes to mind is medical chakra always seems to be green, kyuubi chakra is red, and curse seal chakra is purple! I dont think that black means all the much, but thats just my opinion!

[regina777]

kagnaruto- i thought you didnt like naruto in 4 tail form? Didnt you make arguments against this form before?

if so why the sudden change?

yeah, i kinda manetioned that. it just grew on me i guess. like at first i was really spectical, because it appeared really non-narutoish (i mean the style kishi ususally makes transformations), but after a while i just began to like it more and more.

and now you could call me an obsessed 4tk fan, if i could find a "good" 4tk sig I'd have that too, but for now i have to settle with 3 tails.

as to why my opinion changed, dunno, maybe i was just skeptical at first and then kishi put my worries at ease?
huh!!! i dont believe this :shock: :shock:

Not long ago, there I was, being virtually the only person, writing long post upon long post, just in a bid to try and convince everybody to accept 4TK. You included. And now you turned a 180.

I still dont believe it hmm!!! i give up.:wink:

[Radeon]

we've only seen it once, and sasukes chidori was more of a change of color cause I dont know of anyother way to convey it being more powerful! So they changed the color to visually represnt a change!

Naruto's chakra blast had red blood in it, Im assuming it was dark, so it was a mixing of the colors, I dont think that the color affect it that much!

Only one that comes to mind is medical chakra always seems to be green, kyuubi chakra is red, and curse seal chakra is purple! I dont think that black means all the much, but thats just my opinion!

Don't forget Kakashi and pops have white chakra!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

they don't have white chakra the sword had it.but umm imo sasuke's black chidori is stronger than his regular blue one and so is naruto's purple rasengan it would only make sense since they are no doubt stronger in each of thier forms

[HarlemDuelists]

4tk naruto is the eliteeee and of course i liked the form the first time i seen it

[KageNaruto]

black chakra in the ball? thats interesting, but i still think it was blood and chakra myself. as to why he needs both, i really dont know.........

i thought black chidori was beause of the CS2?

[Shino18]

Black chakra is cause of the cs2 the way i understand it is alien chakra sources have diffrent colors and the one his curse seal is makes it black in cs2

[imported_Greenlitflag]

I think the theroy related to black mentioned black chakra (of course) being "evil/dark" chakra. This would also be related to kyuubi's comment about "cursed chakra." And why Itachi uses the black flame jutsu. Anywho, I wonder when we'll his other tail forms (they sort of have to show them.)

[Shino18]

i dont think that itachis is black because it is evil isnt it because that type of fire is just black

[Xxi]

I like 4TK alot myself, I think its sweet.

I have not read all of the manga chapters yet, just wondering if Jiraya says why Naruto goes 4TK the first time when they were off training?

Also I agree KageNaruto, I think its blood and chakra myself.
As for why it needs blood, well, I don't know... to look cool? =p

[.........]

Doesn't he suck the chakra into his body first?That could explain why its red too...

[KageNaruto]

Doesn't he suck the chakra into his body first?That could explain why its red too...

he gets the chakra and compresses it into small little balls and forms those into one ball. then he condenses the big ball into one little ball and eats it. then he fires the beam. still doesent really explain why he needs blood....

[NarutOBunshin]

he probably dsnt need blood, naruto probably cant live for a long period of time in that form and the blood is just oozing out or something like that.(remember the last naruto vs. sasuke battle before time skip? his arm was burning or something before he did the kyuubi rasengan)

[kjrav]

Blood is the elixer of life(Chackra=life) there fore by using it in such a manner Naruto's chackra power is increaced.

[gorey-]

Can some1 put a link to that page where 4TK fires "kamehameha".... Somehow I cant download it from narutochaos :D

[miscalculatex]

I think the blood came from Naruto when he used the blast. Wasn't it said that when the fourth tail comes out, Naruto's skin burns off? And if you check back in the manga when the 4th tail does come out, there are little captions like "sound effects : blood oozing and dripping". Essentially naruto is bleeding all over the place in that form, hence why it's so bad for his body. Blood mixing in the blast doesn't seem too far-fetched when you think of that.

[KageNaruto]

so the kunasagi, the swod that could "slice through anything", couldnt penetrate 4tk naruto.

what do you guys think mangekyou would do to him?

...i think itll hurt him at least, but not kill him

[jounin101]

probably not even that. m.s attacks the conscious, but naruto is unconscious and kyuubi is a beast. just a thought

[KageNaruto]

probably not even that. m.s attacks the conscious, but naruto is unconscious and kyuubi is a beast. just a thought

Mangekyou as if in the ameratsu(sp?), the black flame. Should have been more specific, huh?

Also Kakashis implosion jutsu, you think that would work as well.

thats what i mean by mangekyu. the offensive mangekyu moves

[B0ukun]

Okay here's the deal. There are a million and one threads about different aspects of Naruto getting stronger, why not condense it all into one thread where we can sit back and discuss all of it in a single place.

Topics to cover.

Naruto's That jutsu

Different Kyubi stages

Rasengan vs Chidoi

and anything else regarding Naruto's growth as a Shinobi. If any mod thinks this thread is a good idea could you possibly transfer the other threads about various Naruto growth spurts in to this one please. If its not a good idea don't worry about it.

Mod Edit:
Changed thread title

[Arty]

Basicly a thread to discuss the progress naruto makes including new skills?
This is gonna save the forum a 1000 spamm posts..

/signed ?

[narutofanone]

This is a great idea. I'll start off by talking about Naruto's hidden potential. Its seems limitless. He mastered a jutsu that even Yondaime couldn't complete. That's gotta count for something.

[B0ukun]

new post entirely.

I think that was his begining stage. With the knowledge of what he can do with the bushin and how hard he trains he going to be real sick in a short period of time.

[narutofanone]

No doubt. He might be able to beat Akatsuki members on his own some day.

[Arty]

Ye well the Bunshin training is kinda imbalanced.

Anyhow regarding that... Ive bin giving it a thought.. Chakra is something you gain from expirience right Mental and physical. Now Naruto has like endless ammount of it and we have never bin given a reason why.. not to mention the damn biju in his belly the kid seemse to never run out. Could the reason behind all this chakra be that he suffered alot mentaly in childhood... and then i mean ALOT since his lvl of chakra has bin matched by a single ninja and that was kisame. Another theory is that the Kyubi is constantly hurting Naruto making it seem like hes recovering all the time.

[narutofanone]

The Kyuubi resiliience blends into him and allows Naruto to have "unlimited" chakra and stamina.

[B0ukun]

Well, Naruto's Chakra is huge on its own. Then the way kyubi is sealed is so that their chakra's mix over time. So even with his large amount of chakra, I think he's actually syphoning off more chakra fromKyubi and keeping it, not just barrowing. The idea may have been that in a lifetime Naruto may actually power down the kyubi to a managable state.

[Arty]

Mm well that would leave Naruto's chakra at the state of a deamon.. quite unfair ^^

[B0ukun]

yeah, it would give Konoha the ultimate weapon. Which in the world of warriors is the desire for everyone.

[narutofanone]

Naruto does get stronger and he seems to permanently absorb the Kyuubi's abiltiies due to his kage bunshin training and how well he proceeds.

[georgia_appleman]

I think Naruto's greatest ability is his personality. No matter how grating it is upon friends or foes, he always makes an impression and they all say "who is this kid?" Isn't the ability to make people think the most powerful one?

[B0ukun]

Thats what everyone keeps saying, his greatest power is the power to change people and make friends with then instantly. Like how he changed gaara from a maniac into a hokage.

[Auske13]

or tsundae into a witch that tried to sacrafice her own teamate for a undead version of her brother into a hokage

[B0ukun]

No she began to believe in him after some time. It all happened after she saw Rasengan.

[Auske13]

yea but he still made her become hokage cuz she didn't want to at first and then wen she saw his determination and the rasengan she wanted to and she protected naruto and then she said that she would protect all ninjas in my village because i am the hokage blaklrnld

[B0ukun]

She did that because she saw her brother and BF in him. His desire to protect anyone from the village is what spured her on.

[Auske13]

well lets start talking about his jutsus

i think he needs to learn more

all we have seen are shadow clone, rasengan, wind element rasengan, and possibly the jutsu he used to go into the groun when he fought neji

[georgia_appleman]

He is a little lacking in the jutsus. The wind element rasengan seems interesting, but they haven't showcased it in all its glory yet.
I can't wait for the new "perverted jutsu" he bragged about to Konohamaru. I wonder if they will actually ever get around to showing it?

[B0ukun]

the jutsu he used to go into the groun when he fought neji


That wasn't a jutsu, he dug the hole tha quickly. He also has Odama Rasengan, but Naruto is also a close combat specialist and his berad and butter is going to be Taijutsu more that likely. I would like to see him using a small for of Genjutus other than Harem no jutsu but it doens't look likely

[Auske13]

he didn't dig the hole he was running and a step showd him going into a hole its the same jutsu Kakashi used on them when they wanted them to get the bells

[B0ukun]

he didn't dig the hole he was running and a step showd him going into a hole its the same jutsu Kakashi used on them when they wanted them to get the bells

yeah he did, I just read the entire volume again. His fingers were bleeding, thus he dug the hole. If he'd have used a jutsu there would have been no reason to have bloody finger tips afterward.

[Hidden Ninja]

umm what are you talking about auske, in the chuunin fight against neji, both of them collided wiht one big attack being knocked back and then naruto dug a hole in the place where he landed. it was never formed before.

[Auske13]

but wut i saw was him stepping and then going into the hole

maybe he did it before he was running at him

maybe him punching through the ground and hitting neji made his fingertips bleed

wait iunno

[B0ukun]

No, kyubi chakra hit kaiten caused big explosion naruto bushin lay playing dead naruto dragon punch through ground. Neji hit with the mother of all Shoryuken's.

Now my question in his development is does anybody think Naruto will develop a speed jutsu akin to the one Yondaime had? It would make Rasengan a hell of a lot more effective.

[narutofanone]

Rasengan would also be more effective if Naruto was able to master it so that he could perform it without shadow clones.

[Hidden Ninja]

if naruto now had the 4th speed, he would

1. be able to attack from different directions
2. do stealth attacks or back attacks
3. evade attacks instead of his usual getting thrown back fifty feet
4. keep up with sasuke without having to use kyuubi (the only reason i say keep up is because when the 2nd retrieval occured, sasuke pretty much appeared instantaneously behind naruto)

[georgia_appleman]

I agree. If Naruto could get the rasengan down to a one-handed, one-naruto'd jutsu, he'd be unstoppable.

Do you think his summoning will get any better too?

[Hidden Ninja]

hopefully what was seen in the last chapter was one handed. his summoning should have without a doubt gotten better because he has much better chakra control especially after mastering combining nature and form together.

[georgia_appleman]

Naruto should already know some medical jutsus by now (if he doesn't, he sure needs to) since he's always getting injured to the point of loss of consiousness. With his never ending chakra, he would be a good medical ninja.

[Hidden Ninja]

he can't learn medical jutsus. only someone with supreme control of chakra, sakura, can do it.

that is the point of sakura learning medical jutsu, so that she can aid the team in that way and let the others fight because that is what they are more skilled in.

[B0ukun]

yeah, I'd actually like to see him do more summoning. A couple of toads here and there never hurt. The one image of him with the slim toad on his shoulder in the earlier manga is hot. One lone toad on the right shoulder with two Katana's. Plus he could use them for scouting and such as well as defensive positioning.

[georgia_appleman]

There are so many things he can summon. Why did Jiraiya teach him toads? I thought he'd summon foxes or something more like the kyuubi...

And I'm a fan of the "special" toad (can't remember his name right now). he's so funny!

[B0ukun]

Jiriaya taught him toads because thats what Jiriaya summons. Plus the one myth this is loosly based off of. Loosely Is Gallant Jiraiya, in the story there are three types of Magic used by the characters, Toad Magic, Snail magic and Snake Magic. Since the story is Gallant Jiraiya and the characters are Jiraiya, Tsunade and Yoshoigoro/Orochimaru the characters in Naruto use the same magics as thier mythological counter parts.

And you're refering to Gamakichi, the little yellow 'tard toad.

[Hidden Ninja]

also, jiraiya didn't just tell naruto to learn how to summon toads, naruto signed the summoning scroll under toad because that is what he wanted to learn/summon. he could have chosen other ones, like the dogs which kakashi does(not sure if that is a summon or not because he uses a scroll to call them out but i think it is)

[B0ukun]

I think the toad, snake and slug are the strongest of the summons. That is unless Kakashi can summon a hell hound. (Three headed dog that guards the gates of hell).

Anyway with the Kage Bushin training Naruto is bound to begin training hard core after this arc. He is more than likely going to focus on Ninjutsu since he's gotten the hang of chakra manipulation, he could very well begin dowing multiple types of jutsu based on shape manipulation and form manipulation.

That and he'll proly train hard on keeping the kyuubi under control. As much as we like seeing him with tails and all that. That is obviously the bad version of Naruto and Kyuubi fusion. The good version apparently is what he did against Neji, increased speed, strenght and proly senses or what have you and no change in shape or loss of mental focus. That would be the best picture for him and kyuubi working together.

[Collateral]

i am not sure that naruto will do that training again there some points for that and some against.

arguments that naruto will do it again are:
-Naruto will become very very strong
-the story will go fast forward
-after that naruto can take akatsuki down on his own

but there are also good points against that:
-it looked like naruto cant do it on his own because of the kyubii he need yamato for it
-if kish make it the way he can do it alone he must let naruto become very fast stronger than all other people in the naruto universe cause if he will do this training again and dont become that muich stronger it will be a very big logical mistake from my point of view
-and for me it seems that kish put yamato in the training just for that purpose that he cant do it the whole time

[B0ukun]

See, here's my take on the situation. What naruto was doing required a lot of chakra. The idea was for naruto to use his chakra for the Fuuton Rasengan because if he uses kyubi chakra to help create it then he realy can't do the jutsu.

There is nothing stopping naruto from at the very lest practicing taijutsu with the clones. Yamato was simply there to prevent Naruto from tapping the Kyuubi for help.

If the problem was a clone goinb Kyubi then Naruto could have simple released the jutsu as he did with the rock paper scissors situation with kakashi.
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The ability to multiply the amount of hours you train exponentially is useful in all aspects of training, not just to upgrade the Tennisball'o'doom. Imagine how much he'd benefit from hundred clone sparing sessions.

[narutofanone]

Also, Naruto has to be able to have control of his body when performing the fuuton rasengan. If the Kyuubi takes over, who knows how much damage could be done if the fuuton rasengan is used wildly.

[B0ukun]

that I believe was the point in doing it with just his chakra, that and to prove how strong he is on his own. It use to be a concious decsion to use kyubi now it's a constant struggle to not use kyubi. It's trying to get loose

[narutofanone]

Yeah. That Kyuubi is a real wildfire. It just likes to come out all the time and "have fun". Its starting to control Naruto like Shukaku controlled Gaara.

[Arty]

It would actualy be the most fitting thing to train with the bunshin.

Given the fact that each bunshin is a clone of another all leading from naruto gives them similarty in power that cant be found anywere else.. Naruto would be fighting at 100% constantly and avoiding dmg by making the real one stay away for jutsu training or something i rly dont care... but the thing that he can rival his self as a equal is the best thing about this training.

[narutofanone]

Maybe the training will allow Naruto to have more control over his body and keep the Kyuubi in check.

[B0ukun]

I think thats the point. From what we've seen, Sasuke has one up on Naruto since he did that thing with Kyubi. If he did it before he may be able to do it again. So Naruto is going to have to do it himself, which I don't think he can right now. The longer he trains with Yamato supressing the kyubi leakage the stronger he will become. Once he's strong enough to control kyubi better he may go back to tapping him for chakra and only chakra.

[narutofanone]

Naruto's training is the key to his success. He can't hold back and keep wallowing in his failures. He has to continue what Kakashi and Yamato advise. It will be his ace in the hole.

[B0ukun]

Exactly, now what do you think would be the point where Naruto begins to use kyubi again. Will he be able to use it as he did against Neji or will he still be growing tails and snapping.

The way it looks if he can use his chakra to control or keep kyubi in check will he just gain his extended speed and strength or will it be another bad day at the SSJ hair salon.

[Collateral]

i dont think he can control kyubii chakra with his chakra and use kyubii chakra at the same time because how much chakra naruto ever has the kyubi chakra is most likely unlimited

[DonEmu]

I think if he gets control again he cant afford to start tapping all over again, its gonna become a cycle, i think once he gets control he isnt using kyuubi unless its do or die, then he pulls a little chakra, the point is the seal is weakening, so can he afford to risk it braking.

[Auske13]

his clones go kyubbi because they become frustrated not because they are trying to get help

the 4 tail kyubbi cant even really make a real rasengan it has to swallow it and blast it

[DonEmu]

What the fuck are you talking about, the chakra ball 4TK created wasnt meant to be a rasengan, that was the attack, it was far more powerful. Who needs a rasengan when u can create concentrated balls of chakra strong enough to kill orochimaru with one hit...?

[Hidden Ninja]

4 tailed used a different attack, it had nothing to do with naruto at that point. thats like when shukaku used wind blasts as his attack. gaara has no wind attacks.

anyhow, it seems to me that naruto does not want anything to do with the kyuubi anymore. he is taking to heart what (i forgot whether it was jiraiya or kakashi) in order to face what he had to and be strong enough, he would have to stop relying on the kyuubi. now it just seems that he is considering the kyuubi a part of him that is almost like a bad habit he must control, which is why he said to the kyuubi the last time that he did not want his help.

[narutofanone]

Naruto has been inspired to overcome Kyuubi much like how that genjutsu genius girl overcame the idou monster and forgave Kurenai. He's got a really tough battle with his inner demon.

[10sarg]

can i just say the reason that the 4th couldnt make the futon rasegan wasn't because he couldnt, more because he's dead. if he'd tried for the equivalent of narutos training shortcut (somet like some many years) i reckon he could do it. its just the fact he was cut down early on in life.

[B0ukun]

I'm not sure. Kakshi said the fourth tried it and couldn't accomplish it. Kakashi also tried it and failed. I think neither of them had the chakra capacity to do so. I think thats what Kakashi was also saying in telling Naruto that he was the only person who could complete the jutsu. If it was because Yondaime had died I don't think he would have told Naruto he would surpass Yondaime by doing so. He more or less would have told him that he was finishing Yondaime's work, not surpassing. Apparently he stopped attempting after some time training.

[mandelak]

yeah i dont kno if this is ok to put here but i was wondering what did the fox mean by saying to sasuke that if he killed naruto he would regret it. why would he regret it wat would happen

[B0ukun]

Who knows, but since this thread is all encompasing, you can post it here. It may have to do with Naruto's seal breaking and Kyubi getting out. It may also have something to do with situations pertaining to something from the past. Kyubi New Madaara Uchiha so he probably has insight into the Uchiha line that most don't know. Thats a mystery in itself. Anything about that pertaining to Naruto in the situation is good for posting here.

[narutofanone]

If Kyuubi knows so much about the Uchiha, maybe it could cooperate with Naruto to beat Sasuke and/or Itachi by giving him some tips on the ways to combat their Sharingan related strategies.

[mandelak]

yeah i was thinking it had something to do with kyuubi being release, but im thinking its more than that something to do with naruto as well the fox knows something maybe something will happen worse than the fox being released when naruto dies or if the tengu theory is right maybe its coz he lend madaara the power to seal that tngu dude somewhere and if he and naruto dies all that will be unleashed maybe thats what he said to the forth as well if u kill me ull regret it maybe thats y he sealed it but also coz he would get his ass kicked if he didnt i dunno

[narutofanone]

The problem is that the Kyuubi's soul is locked in Naruto. Hence the relationship is soul symbiotic. It is interesting as to how real the threat is. What could Kyuubi do if Sasuke killed Naruto?

[B0ukun]

It could be that Kyubi fears something that Sasuke could possibly create but not handle, IE the Tengu King. Kyubi may be the only person who could have the power to stop it. If thats the case, naruto dies at the end of the series though only after becoming Hokage. he rides into battle on the head of Gamabunta looking very 4th like and then he dies, very 4th like. The end, Tsunade goes back to being Hokage again and the cycle begins a new.

[Chidongan]

It could be that Kyubi fears something that Sasuke could possibly create but not handle, IE the Tengu King. Kyubi may be the only person who could have the power to stop it. If thats the case, naruto dies at the end of the series though only after becoming Hokage. he rides into battle on the head of Gamabunta looking very 4th like and then he dies, very 4th like. The end, Tsunade goes back to being Hokage again and the cycle begins a new.

except naruto seals the tengu king is some new born baby, and the uchihas once again flourish.

[jounin101]

It could be that Kyubi fears something that Sasuke could possibly create but not handle, IE the Tengu King. Kyubi may be the only person who could have the power to stop it. If thats the case, naruto dies at the end of the series though only after becoming Hokage. he rides into battle on the head of Gamabunta looking very 4th like and then he dies, very 4th like. The end, Tsunade goes back to being Hokage again and the cycle begins a new.

i agree fully with the beginning of your post, kyuubi fears the "dark side" of the uchiha clan, tengu king. thats why he warned sasuke not to kill naruto, cause a mangekyou using sasuke is the last thing itachi needs to fulfill his goal.
as for naruto, i think he is gonna be automatically promoted to chunin by tsunade after this fight. and with his promotion kakashi is gonna give him 4th's kunai and naruto will learn yellow flash's technique to rival sasuke's newfound speed. naruto will become more 4th hokage-like to the point where he has to fight kyuubi himself, and seals him into another kid.

[B0ukun]

I'm not sure about is promotion. I kinda like his staying a genin, why? Because he said it himself.

"Even if I have to be a genin for the rest of my life I will still become Hokage."

Also I don't think Sasuke's speed is that much faster than Naruto's as Naruto was too weak to really stand at that point. He's speed surprised Kakashi as well as everyone in the room with Kankuruo. So I'm starting to think Naruto is really fast but didn't have the strength to show any type of skill to Sasuke. He's walking Jiraiya's path so until the final battle I think something is going to keep Naruto from fighting Sasuke at his best. It will always seem slightly is Sasuke's favor but debatable on circumstance.

[jounin101]

naruto's speed was surprising because...he's naruto. sasuke's speed surprised gai, lee, and everyone else at the CHUNIN EXAM, which was about 3.5 years ago. surprising puppeteers doesnt impress me as much as surprising the supposed fastest people in the narutoverse.

also, sasuke moved from a cliff to where naruto was standing, in an instant. naruto went from one side of a room to another, big difference! but naruto's clone speed was impressive.

and i said that to keep up with kakashi's gift giving with promotions.

[B0ukun]

Naruto learning the Thunder god Tech would make him a serious contender for next Hokage. But, what exactly is Thunder God Technique. I mean if its just a faster running Jutsu that would be kinda weird as you could probably get the same effect by channeling more chakra for Shunshin

[jounin101]

people said the kunai is a marker for 4th, because he moves at speeds like flash step or instant transmission from other animes. i dont think its as simple as running really fast, thatll be too...simple.
and i think sasuke's true advantage over naruto is speed now. if naruto could move as fast as he can ala thunder god, they would be at or almost equal again.

[B0ukun]

Yeah, I just didn't wanna falsly write that he was teleporting. I'd get bashed over the head with a flaming bat. Plus I don't remember hearing it explained in the Manga. But I've seen the tags and what not so it's highly possible an Instant Transimssion.

[Collateral]

i would like it if naruto would be promoted but i dont think that would happen cause the more i see from the manga the sentence "even if a stay a genin forever i will become hokage" becomes more and more like a hint for me and how strong naruto ever is now he still have not the skills to lead a team first because he is still naruto and second because of kyubii

and i doubt that kakashi know how the speed technique of the 4th work cause if he could have teach him that teachnique as well why didnt he teach him now instead of show him how to learn futon rasengan. first speed technique and after that futon rasengan make more sense for me

[darklighter]

IMo learning the futon rasengan Naruto has already surpassed Sasuke. If you notice when Sasuke came from the cliff to stand right in front of Naruto, Naruto exhibited no suprise whatsoever. From his past experiences with the Uchiha he knows that speed is a factor in his fighting style and probably trained accordingly to counter it. He may not be able to move as fast at this point but he can move fast enough to counter as evidenced by the kankaru scene. That coupled with his three one hit KO jutsus (rasengan, Oodama, Futon) Sasuke IMO will lose the next encounter assuming ofcourse Naruto does not have to fight through Orochimaru AGAIN. I don't think Kishi will give Naruto the flying thunder god technique, I do think however he will have him recreate the technique possibly make a better version that does not need the special kunai to work?

[B0ukun]

That would be cool, and yeah I think that jutsu died with Yondaime. Although I wouldn't be extremely surprised if that was his "That jutsu" A speed tech. I can understand how Naruto would be told not to use that Tech especially if Jiraiya would first say. "I know you Naruto." And then say not to uset he tech. It would be equal to how Kakashi first used Chidori, very foolishly almost getting himself killed. It would also put him out of range from his team and seeing as Naruto has a nack for losing control and going kyubi that would be a bad thing to have happen.

[narutofanone]

Fuuton Rasengan was needed more to beat down Kakuzu and Hidan before they escaped. The priorities forced time restraints and thus Naruto had to focus on his offense instead of his speed and agility.

[Dragoon910]

Does anyone think Naruto will ever end up training from the scroll he stole in the first arc. If it's got so many powerful techniqes, why doesn't he just make a clone and study the scroll while he is training?

[Chidongan]

Does anyone think Naruto will ever end up training from the scroll he stole in the first arc. If it's got so many powerful techniqes, why doesn't he just make a clone and study the scroll while he is training?

becuase he returned the scroll.

and they won't give it back to him, it's forbidden.

[Dragoon910]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Iruka say that shadow clone was a high level jounin class techniqe. That would imply that the scroll also contains things that aren't forbidden, but that you might have to be a jounin to have acess to?

[Chidongan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Iruka say that shadow clone was a high level jounin class techniqe. That would imply that the scroll also contains things that aren't forbidden, but that you might have to be a jounin to have acess to?

just becuase it's forbidden, doesnt mean people don't know it.

they could have learned it from their teachers or maybe those jutsu's weren't forbidden before.

[Chaos Lord]

Does anyone think Naruto will ever end up training from the scroll he stole in the first arc. If it's got so many powerful techniqes, why doesn't he just make a clone and study the scroll while he is training?

if naruto was that smart, hell, he could spend all day hanging around with hinata, while his clones train for him, do mision for him, do the laundry, build a new home,etc.. you get the point.

He is just plain idiot.

[B0ukun]

The jutsu is forbidden It was forbidden by the fourth however so many of the Jounin and older Chuunin know it. Basically anyone who new him as the kyubi kid back then could possibly know it. Remember anyone who saw him use it and commented on it called him the kyubi kid.

And no he can't send clones on a mission. If the clone gets hit is disappears and he fails the mission. Though laundry. If they train and he's not thier, when the clones tire and fall out. He'll instantly fall out while walking HInata home making him look narcoleptic.

[Chaos Lord]

warever, still he could have like 1000 normal jobs and would the richest bastard in town the he can bribe tsunade and become hokage. THE END

Still, i dont think they let him get the scroll again,it should be better guarded by now, unless tsunade and the third are braidead

[soggie]

Actually, I'm beginning to lose interest in Naruto himself. Previously in the comic, he's an unexpected genious - everytime he wins a battle, he was just smart at the right time, and I have forgotten count how many times his kage bunshin saved his own ass. Having kyubi come in did wonders in many battles, but this only shows one thing - in the past, he is overly dependant on the kyubi.

One thing that is amazing about him is his will and stubborness. That's one of the factor why he is winning in most of the critical battles, and that's probably what kishi wanted to impart on his character naruto - that will is more important that skill.

But now, his evolution had taken a turn for worse. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in comic books that have characters that could break the earth in half with sheer power. That's just brute force, and any writer with half a brain can come up with a storyline with that kind of character. There is no depth and no wonder in all those mass destruction.

So what if the completed rasengan causes massive direct damage? It has no precision, no intellect in it. Taijutsu to get near, and futon rasengan to finish it up.

Perhaps it was fitting for his character, to be a tyson-like brute fighter, instead of a technical fighter like shikimaru, but if he could work up delicate strategies with his kage bunshin, shouldn't kishi balance it out with more utility type jutsus, maybe even some incapacitating ones so that it will make him look even stronger when the rasengan becomes his de-facto finishing move?

I can accept it if it was a book about warriors and samurais, but this is a ninja-themed comic and it's supposed to be about trickery, superior tactics and precision and meaningful attacks. Naruto's more suited to be a warrior than a ninja, that's how I see from his current evolution.

[B0ukun]

Bah, I've been calling him a dumb weapon for ages now. It's nothing new, he's like the hulk, point somebody out and say they did something he doesn't like and he'll go kill'em.

His stubborness is what brought him this far and thats not going to change about him. Thats why he's so powerful now, he's strong willed and won't back down. He still says dumb things like, "The hero always arrives late..." He's just stronger now.

Also, he's still going to have to out think and out fight Kakuzu, Thats three elements to his one and over a century of experience. We'll see what happens. If he becomes Goku I'm going to be pissed as well.

[darklighter]

no one can become goku, how many other fighters can annihilate a planet with a finger flick

[tekashika]

when i saw Sandaime create Kage