[Character] Uzumaki Naruto

[NarutoforHokage]

yea true, who knows if Asuma even was a ninjutsu user. Might have just have been a taijutsu guy that knew how to control his chakra well

[blind]

Exactly. I mean we can deduce that he doesn't use genjutsu, otherwise he would have used it already. And if he knew ninjutsu (at least ones that are effective in that situation) he would have used it already. He probably knows some ninjutsu, unless he became one of the guardians by being a purely taijutsu user.

[Obito_The_ONE]

I heard that Naruto managed to learn all the jutsus Jiraiya knew(I mean all the frog jutsus ) and 3 of minato's jutsus ( don't know which jutsus ) while Jiraiya had Naruto under his thumb ( the 2 1/2 years ) .

[Spriggan430]

I doubt that, and hearing something doesn't make it true, we have seen no proof that he has learned any of those jutsu's in the manga

[blind]

I heard that Naruto managed to learn all the jutsus Jiraiya knew(I mean all the frog jutsus ) and 3 of minato's jutsus ( don't know which jutsus ) while Jiraiya had Naruto under his thumb ( the 2 1/2 years ) .

Where did you hear this from...?

[teh mirage]

I think naruto learned alot from jiraiya, and he still has that jutsu that he isn't supposed to use. He can already summon the big frog, make a rasengan, well the last jutsu the 4th was famous for is....the yellow flash technique, if naruto learned that....welll he'd be the best ninja ever.

My question is, what were the 4th's elemental affininities? Wind and Lightning? What kinda chakra did that yellow falsh technique require? I would like to know.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Where did you hear this from...?


I found it in a german forum...^^ under the topic outlook 08/09
they wrote that these statements were allegedly made by kishi himself before the Jump festival 2008... I don't know much about it...
so they wrote :



Diese Statemants sollen von Kishimoto beim Jump Festa geäußert worden sein.

1. Das Geheimnis der Uchihas wird gelüftet und zwei der übrigen Uchihas werden sterben.
Gemeint ist vielleicht das Geheimnis, welches Itachi hütete und der Grund der Ausrottung des Clans. Ebenso ist ein Uchiha (Itachi) schon tot, der zweite könnte Madara sein.

2. Der Akatsuki Leader wird 6 Menschen töten
Wahrscheinlich sind hier die 5 Körper gemeint, welche er verwendet. Das 6. Opfer wäre folglich Jiraiya.

3. Sasukes und Itachis Kampf wird sehr viel Chaos ausrichten. Das Geheimnis um Madara wird gelüftet und ebenso die Techniken des Mangekyou Sharingan. Der Kampf wird mit dem Tot einer Person enden.
Amaterasu, Susann'o und Tsukuyomi. Itachi ist gestorben.

4. Naruto wird mit Pein zusammenstoßen und Team Kakashi mit Tobi. Es wird eine große Wendung im Kampf Tobi vs. Team Kakashi geben. Naruto und Pein werden einen Kampf mit Monstern (scheinbar Dämonen) kämpfen und wahrscheinlich wird eine Person in Narutos Team sterben.

5. Neue Mitglieder werden sich Akatsuki anschließen. Diese werden stärker als Deidara, Hidan und Kakuzu sein. Eben so wird gesagt, dass einer der Neulinge der Bruder oder die Schwester des Hokage sein sollen.

6. Narutos neue Fähigkeiten sowie das Ergebnis des 2 ½ jahrelangen Trainings werden im Kampf gegen Pein gezeigt. Er hat alle Jutsus von Jiraiya und 3 Jutsus des vierten Hokages binnen dieser Zeit gelernt und ist sehr viel stärker als zuvor. (Jedoch kann er den Eremit-Modus nicht anwenden)

7. Nach all diesen Kämpfen wird ein großer Ninja Krieg ausbrechen

8. Es wird im Kampf Tobi vs. Narutos Team Tote geben und ein Teammitglied wird nie wieder kämpfen können.

9. Der Jinchuuriki des 8-schwänzigen Dämons erscheint und tötet ein Akatsuki Mitglied. Danach wird er in Konoha einfallen und in diesem Kampf eine Person töten sowie einer anderen das Augenlicht nehmen.

These are just some of the statements...

they predict that madaras secret will be revealed

Then it is also said that pain and Naruto will fight each other with some monsters (but I think they just mean summons maybe bunta )

akatsuki will have some new members much stronger then deidara hidan and kakuzu.

A big ninja war will beginn

konoha will be attacked by the 8- tailed

during this attack another member of akatsuki will die.

one person from konoha will die and another person will lose the eyelight.



they wrote much more but I think that these are the most important things

I give no suretyship for what they wrote ^^:yo:

[Hustlinaire]

my opinion on naruto learning the teleportation technique will not make him "like his father" or keep him from being his own individual.he will just have acquired another jutsu that someone else used...normally, nartuo advances the techniques he learns anyway, so his version will most likely be way better IF he ever did learn it. and i would also like to see naruto have some sort of ultimate defense or absolute defense like gaara, where he can make wind deflect anything coming towards him...or at least like Neji where it is a temporary shield around his whole body...

[blind]

Well, seeing as how Yondaime was famous for that technique, I'd say he's definitely more similar to his father if he learns it. And the absolute defense does sound enticing, but he's more of the charge in and fight type. He's already shown that he's able to fight using KB, and analyze the situation beforehand, so defense isn't really his style.

[Hustlinaire]

well his style of fighting has a lower success rate against higher ranked ninjas...so eventually, he will have to defend himself in some sort of way...i just think it will round him off to have defense...i dont think he should have both teleport and defense though...just one or the other

[blind]

True, but he did fine against Kakuzu with his KB method, I don't see why he couldn't take it one step further somehow with his KBs.

[Hustlinaire]

either way...i still think naruto is the best ninja in the making...but as of the present..i think it is a tie between he and sasuke

[blind]

I agree, but as of right now, I'd have to give Sasuke the edge, based on the evidence that we've seen so far..

[Valleyman]

Well, seeing as how Yondaime was famous for that technique, I'd say he's definitely more similar to his father if he learns it. And the absolute defense does sound enticing, but he's more of the charge in and fight type. He's already shown that he's able to fight using KB, and analyze the situation beforehand, so defense isn't really his style.


If he can't have high speed movement or awesome defense how is he going to be able to be on par with Pain and such? Sasuke has already passed him by far. And really what more can he do with his Kage Bunshins? H is already using them to their max. I dunno if you just want him to stay behind everyone but Naruto needs to change somehow to get stronger. I'm just about up for anything that makes Naruto stronger right now, seeing as we've been deprived forever of it. I mean he's even forbidden to use rashuriken right now...

[Hustlinaire]

did they ever mention how good naruto's taijutsu is at this point? i wonder will kishi allow naruto to make a few kbs and train at taijutsu with gai and lee? or at least make 1000kbs and train with himself at taijutsu

[blind]

If he can't have high speed movement or awesome defense how is he going to be able to be on par with Pain and such? Madara has already passed him by far. And really what more can he do with his Kage Bunshins? H is already using them to their max. I dunno if you just want him to stay behind everyone but Naruto needs to change somehow to get stronger. I'm just about up for anything that makes Naruto stronger right now, seeing as we've been deprived forever of it. I mean he's even forbidden to use rashuriken right now...

Forbidden to use it, but will he still use it when the time calls for it? That's a big difference, Naruto has never been huge on rules (as seen by his childhood).

And I never said he shouldn't learn high speed movement, I was just responding to the comment that if he learned the high speed movement he wouldn't be any more similar to his dad. :biggrin1:

did they ever mention how good naruto's taijutsu is at this point? i wonder will kishi allow naruto to make a few kbs and train at taijutsu with gai and lee? or at least make 1000kbs and train with himself at taijutsu

No they haven't. But seeing how he was able to us KB's to move himself when he physically couldn't, I'd say he must have some sort of improvment.

[Valleyman]

did they ever mention how good naruto's taijutsu is at this point? i wonder will kishi allow naruto to make a few kbs and train at taijutsu with gai and lee? or at least make 1000kbs and train with himself at taijutsu


Lee is way better at Taijutsu than Naruto. Taijutsu takes alot longer to learn than the others because it's more of something you have to do all the time. Even if Naruto started learning taijutsu like Lee and such now he would never catch up to him.


Forbidden to use it, but will he still use it when the time calls for it? That's a big difference, Naruto has never been huge on rules (as seen by his childhood).


But it's pointless if he uses it and hit hurts him or doesn't hit the enemy. Even if he completed it somehow all he would have is one badass jutsu. Like that'd work on Pain or Sasuke, they've both seen their share of equally badass jutsus(Jiyaira's frog mode and the Genjutsu as well as Sasuke seeing Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o). Just FRS isn't going to get Naruto anywhere.

[Hustlinaire]

the reason i say naruto is the best is because even though he has a lot of good qualities as it is now, he still has A LOT of room for improvement in areas...like if his taijutsu was top notch, his clones wont poof as fast and make it harder to fight him...also if his physical body was in rock lee's shape and conditioning, along with adding chakra to his attacks, he would be killer..i really dont think he needs that much improvement on his decisions because he always comes through with something...and he doesnt fight with his head but with his heart, and that is a sign of a good fighter...at least have a good balance between smarts and heart...too much of either will be a downfall.

[Valleyman]

the reason i say naruto is the best is because even though he has a lot of good qualities as it is now, he still has A LOT of room for improvement in areas...like if his taijutsu was top notch, his clones wont poof as fast and make it harder to fight him...also if his physical body was in rock lee's shape and conditioning, along with adding chakra to his attacks, he would be killer..i really dont think he needs that much improvement on his decisions because he always comes through with something...and he doesnt fight with his head but with his heart, and that is a sign of a good fighter...at least have a good balance between smarts and heart...too much of either will be a downfall.


That's probably Naruto's only advantage over anyone is his potential. It's almost limitless. But with only potential, it's not going to get him anywhere and it's annoying because it seems like we'll never see it.

And adding chakra to what attacks? The only one he has that he can use it on is Rasengan which develops a jutsu he can't even use because it hurts him. Also as I stated before Taijutsu isn't something you can learn and be good at in 1 year or 2 years. Rock Lee has been doing it since he entered the academy.

Heart isn't going to get him anywhere either. Before someone like Pain just going "I'll never give up dattebayo!" isn't going to work. Probably not before Sasuke either.

[blind]

But it's pointless if he uses it and hit hurts him or doesn't hit the enemy. Even if he completed it somehow all he would have is one badass jutsu. Like that'd work on Pain or Sasuke, they've both seen their share of equally badass jutsus(Jiyaira's frog mode and the Genjutsu as well as Sasuke seeing Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o). Just FRS isn't going to get Naruto anywhere.

Yeah, but it only hurts him when he makes contact, and if it hits, his opponent is screwed...we've seen Naruto use his basics to defeat opponents, and not rely on any badass (although now he has FRS) jutsus.

That's probably Naruto's only advantage over anyone is his potential. It's almost limitless. But with only potential, it's not going to get him anywhere and it's annoying because it seems like we'll never see it.


That's the thing though, if we keep thinking his potential is near limitless, we'll never see the Naruto that will reach that stage...

[Wannabe]

Naruto is still my favorite character. Never mind all the BS he has been getting post-timeskip (five chapters of development--wtf? Main character ftw please, Kishi!). I won't say I haven't been a little disappointed with his growth, but it doesn't bother me so much. Naruto has always come off as an underdog, in part one to the characters and in part two to the fans.

He will shine eventually. :/

[blind]

Exactly, and remember that those five chapters gave him one of the most powerful justus in Narutoverse, not too bad! :D

[Valleyman]

I wish I could be optimistic like that. It doesn't change the fact that right now he is nowhere near the level of Sasuke and Pain and such though.

[blind]

You're right, he's nowhere near the level of Sasuke/Pein, but when you consider that he's the main character, he'll eventually have to overcome them, right? Which would mean that he'll someday be on the same level as they are. It's just that we haven't gotten to that point yet :p

[KageNaruto]

I wish I could be optimistic like that. It doesn't change the fact that right now he is nowhere near the level of Sasuke and Pain and such though.

Though he did beat Kakuzu, who survived against Shodaime, who defeated Madara...

[Wannabe]

Yeah, I know! It's kind of exciting really. I would like to know how Naruto needs to improve that technique, too, with it only being around half complete. Does he need to refine the wind chakra more (it's already at cellular level...)? Or maybe he needs to further recompose the spinning fuuton chakra into a small spacial ball, instead of a shuriken like thing... :confused:

[Valleyman]

Though he did beat Kakuzu, who survived against Shodaime, who defeated Madara...


Umm... he would have lost if it wasn't for Yamato and Kakashi saving him the first time he screwed up. on top of that 2 of Kakazu's hearts were already dead when he got there.

[blind]

Yeah, I know! It's kind of exciting really. I would like to know how Naruto needs to improve that technique, too, with it only being around half complete. Does he need to refine the wind chakra more (it's already at cellular level...)? Or maybe he needs to further recompose the spinning fuuton chakra into a small spacial ball, instead of a shuriken like thing... :confused:

There could be many aspects that could be improved, most glaringly the fact that it hurts himself.

Umm... he would have lost if it wasn't for Yamato and Kakashi saving him the first time he screwed up. on top of that 2 of Kakazu's hearts were already dead when he got there.

Yeah, but it doesn't discount the fact that he took out two heart at the same time, not to mention rendering Kazuku motionless with the cellular attack...

[Wannabe]

Kakuzu was kind of stupid for trying to take Naruto's heart...lol.... You're not supposed to kill the jinchuuriki. Seriously.

[Valleyman]

Yeah, but it doesn't discount the fact that he took out two heart at the same time, not to mention rendering Kazuku motionless with the cellular attack...


I've already acknowledged the fact that FRS is a strong technique. Let's put aside the fact he can't even use it right now, it doesn't change the fact he screwed up against Kakazu and would have lost if someone doesn't save him. Wouldn't it be retarded if Naruto is always like that and someone has to always save him? Whereas, no one has ever saved Sasuke in his fights with Akatsuki and stuff.

EDIT: Other examples: Got pwned by just a Genjutsu the first time against Itachi after timeskip. Thanksfully Chiyo and Sakura helped him. Second time against Itachi he still got pwned by a simple Genjutsu and couldn't do shit, Itachi let him go. Blunder against Kakazu. Couldn't land a hit againt Madara(of course all of Konoha couldn't, but still doesn't change that he couldn't do shit). The first time he was fighting Sai, Sai manhandled him in taijutsu(somewhat), WITH Shikamaru and Chouji's help. Understand where I'm going now? In all those basic things(Ninjutsu, Genjutsum Taijutsu) he's not even at Sasuke's feet and you're still trying to say he's strong? It's no like he can just go "FRS!" and win a fight.

[Wannabe]

I've already acknowledged the fact that FRS is a strong technique. Let's put aside the fact he can't even use it right now, it doesn't change the fact he screwed up against Kakazu and would have lost if someone doesn't save him. Wouldn't it be retarded if Naruto is always like that and someone has to always save him? Whereas, no one has ever saved Sasuke in his fights with Akatsuki and stuff.

Doesn't seem like it matters to me. Yes, Sasuke has never had anyone directly save him from his fights post-timeskip, but all of his fights have been slighted in some way that ensures his victory. I mean, before he encountered Deidara, he had planned to use his space time ninjutsu to summon Manda "just in case." He went against Itachi and Orochimaru after two and a half years of planning and preparation with decent head knowledge of what to expect/how it would play out while Naruto went against Kakuzu with only twenty-four hours of preparation and zero knowledge of what to expect in which he had to focus mostly on developing a super difficult jutsu instead.

So what if Naruto messed up against Kakuzu? It obviously was of no consequence to him because Kakashi and Yamato were there. It was not a one-on-one fight so there was no reason for Naruto to treat it as if it was. Sure, it wasn't the "coolest" thing to do, but teamwork is important even if it is in the form of making sure someone doesn't lose a heart when trying out their new uber jutsu. It doesn't mean that's what's going to happen every single time.

EDIT: Other examples: Got pwned by just a Genjutsu the first time against Itachi after timeskip. Thanksfully Chiyo and Sakura helped him. Second time against Itachi he still got pwned by a simple Genjutsu and couldn't do shit, Itachi let him go. Blunder against Kakazu. Couldn't land a hit againt Madara(of course all of Konoha couldn't, but still doesn't change that he couldn't do shit). The first time he was fighting Sai, Sai manhandled him in taijutsu(somewhat), WITH Shikamaru and Chouji's help. Understand where I'm going now? In all those basic things(Ninjutsu, Genjutsum Taijutsu) he's not even at Sasuke's feet and you're still trying to say he's strong? It's no like he can just go "FRS!" and win a fight.

Of course not. Still doesn't seem of much significance to me, though (Itachi is a genjutsu master and Naruto is a genjutsu dobe, we can all understand that; all Sai did was block Naruto's kunai attack; Sasuke couldn't even get rid of Madara with his backfire Amaterasu that apparently hit as well). Better wish him luck next time. :/

[blind]

I've already acknowledged the fact that FRS is a strong technique. Let's put aside the fact he can't even use it right now, it doesn't change the fact he screwed up against Kakazu and would have lost if someone doesn't save him. Wouldn't it be retarded if Naruto is always like that and someone has to always save him? Whereas, no one has ever saved Sasuke in his fights with Akatsuki and stuff.

Suigetsu saved Sasuke from Deidara...


EDIT: Other examples: Got pwned by just a Genjutsu the first time against Itachi after timeskip. Thanksfully Chiyo and Sakura helped him. Second time against Itachi he still got pwned by a simple Genjutsu and couldn't do shit, Itachi let him go. Blunder against Kakazu. Couldn't land a hit againt Madara(of course all of Konoha couldn't, but still doesn't change that he couldn't do shit). The first time he was fighting Sai, Sai manhandled him in taijutsu(somewhat), WITH Shikamaru and Chouji's help. Understand where I'm going now? In all those basic things(Ninjutsu, Genjutsum Taijutsu) he's not even at Sasuke's feet and you're still trying to say he's strong? It's no like he can just go "FRS!" and win a fight.

It's no secret Sasuke has shown us he's ahead of Naruto, but how about a peak into the future? Do you really think that Naruto will stay at this level and still be able to take on Madara/Pein/any other villian? I don't think so. So what's happened in the past isn't that big of a deal, as long as Naruto learns from it, his future will be bright.

[Valleyman]

Actually, the whole point of my argueing this, is it seems there are alot of people who don't want Naruto to learn his father's teleportation technique because they whine "He will be the same and we don't want that.". They also complain when he uses the Kyuubi powers, saying "Naruto relies on his Kyuubi powers too much.". Even you(blind) said he shouldn't have some type of absolute defense, saying he isn't a defense type fighter and argue he already has what he needs. So taking away some type of defense, high speed movement and his Kyuubi powers, how is he going to fight? KB and FRS the whole time? That's why I was using his past experiences of failures to show that isn't going to work.

[Wannabe]

Well, that's not me, so I'll let you guys duke that one out. :p Personally, I don't care too much on how Naruto develops, I just want him to develop...that's all. T_T

[blind]

Actually, the whole point of my argueing this, is it seems there are alot of people who don't want Naruto to learn his father's teleportation technique because they whine "He will be the same and we don't want that.". They also complain when he uses the Kyuubi powers, saying "Naruto relies on his Kyuubi powers too much.". Even you(blind) said he shouldn't have some type of absolute defense, saying he isn't a defense type fighter and argue he already has what he needs. So taking away some type of defense, high speed movement and his Kyuubi powers, how is he going to fight? KB and FRS the whole time? That's why I was using his past experiences of failures to show that isn't going to work.

lol, but can you lump everyone's opinion into one? I never opposed him using Kyuubi, in fact I want him to, so he could gain more control from it. And I never opposed him using the fourth's jutsu. I merely commented that it would make him similar to his father, but in no way did I say he shouldn't. You can't just lump the population's opinion into one larger statement.

Well, that's not me, so I'll let you guys duke that one out. :p Personally, I don't care too much on how Naruto develops, I just want him to develop...that's all. T_T

I agree, and he will, in time.

[Valleyman]

...

I give up. Naruto can stay a noob for the rest of his life, for all I care anymore. Now that my favorite characters, Itachi and Jiraiya, are dead and Naruto's always off losing a battle somewhere, as well as Sasuke slowly becoming the God of the Narutoverse, I might as well change my favorite character to Konohamaru and hope he won't be as much of a letdown.

[blind]

I guess I can understand why you see Naruto as a letdown, but is his future doomed? I think not. With Kyuubi's chakra (which allows for KB training) and FRS only being 50% complete, as well as him learning about Jman and even his parents (those being motivation), I wouldn't see Naruto staying at this stage forever.

[Wannabe]

...

I give up. Naruto can stay a noob for the rest of his life, for all I care anymore. Now that my favorite characters, Itachi and Jiraiya, are dead and Naruto's always off losing a battle somewhere, as well as Sasuke slowly becoming the God of the Narutoverse, I might as well change my favorite character to Konohamaru and hope he won't be as much of a letdown.

So you can dream of Konohamaru being a magnificent ninja in the future, but you can't dream of Naruto being a magnificent ninja in the future? -.-

Seriously, I can't imagine Naruto being a n00b for his whole life, like blind said. I mean, Sasuke was a n00b pre-timeskip (more so than Naruto post-timeskip, imo) and now you say he is becoming the god of the Narutoverse.... Even Jiraiya said he had his fair share of failures in the past before he reached age fifty--Naruto just happens to get his illustrated! *cringe*

[blind]

So you can dream of Konohamaru being a magnificent ninja in the future, but you can't dream of Naruto being a magnificent ninja in the future? -.-

Seriously, I can't imagine Naruto being a n00b for his whole life, like blind said. I mean, Sasuke was a n00b pre-timeskip (more so than Naruto post-timeskip, imo) and now you say he is becoming the god of the Narutoverse.... Even Jiraiya said he had his fair share of failures in the past before he reached age fifty--Naruto just happens to get his illustrated! *cringe*

Exactly, and Sasuke tends to get all his successes illustrated, which makes the balance seem that much more tipped towards Sasuke.

[Wannabe]

Exactly, and Sasuke tends to get all his successes illustrated, which makes the balance seem that much more tipped towards Sasuke.

Yep, yep. I suppose it is like they say, development =/= screen time. Considering that Shippuuden has been primarily Sasuke-oriented since chapter three hundred, I feel Naruto has done fairly well (yeah, for five chapters of development...). :] I'm hoping he has things up his sleeves that we haven't quite gotten to yet.

[blind]

Yep, yep. I suppose it is like they say, development =/= screen time. Considering that Shippuuden has been primarily Sasuke-oriented since chapter three hundred, I feel Naruto has done fairly well (yeah, for five chapters of development...). :] I'm hoping he has things up his sleeves that we haven't quite gotten to yet.

I agree, and even if he doesn't have as much as we anticipated (2.5 years with Jman argument), we still have his future to look forward to. :D

[Valleyman]

The Konohamaru thing was a joke, in case you were too dense to notice. Any ninja can become strong over a period of time, I know. I mean look at Rock Lee, who trains only taijutsu. He's been doing it forever, hence his speed and taijutsu skills. Saying, "Naruto will get strong over time in the future." is like stating the sky is blue. And what do you think Sasuke and Pain and Madara are going to be doing, dilly-dallying around?

[blind]

The Konohamaru thing was a joke, in case you were too dense to notice. Any ninja can become strong over a period of time, I know. I mean look at Rock Lee, who trains only taijutsu. He's been doing it forever, hence his speed and taijutsu skills. Saying, "Naruto will get strong over time in the future." is like stating the sky is blue. And what do you think Sasuke and Pain and Madara are going to be doing, dilly-dallying around?

But does Sasuke/Pein/Madara have the same potential that Naruto does? Pein/Madara has probably reached their peaks, and Sasuke's potential is nothing compared to Naruto. Consider this: Naruto could possibly control Kyuubi's chakra. What does Sasuke have? Oro's training? Oro's jutsus? Kusunagi? It's true that they can all still get stronger, but I'm saying that Naruto will grow even stronger than that.

[Valleyman]

Sasuke hasn't even awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan yet(which obviously you can gain other than killing your best friend, hence Kakashi), which can control the Kyuubi, which I didn't want to believe before until they confirmed it in this last chapter.

[blind]

But can it control Kyuubi through the seal/prison within Naruto? We've only seen it "control" Kyuubi when it's free, but not when it's sealed, so that wouldn't really matter in a fight between the two.

[Wannabe]

Yeah, I agree with blind. Sealing/imprisoning a bijuu within a person obviously changes the factors. Deidara said that bijuu without hosts are less intelligent (although Kyuubi is said to be rather cunning either way), so it might be different should Sasuke or Madara attempt to use MS on Kyuubi while it is sealed within Naruto.

[Valleyman]

...

Sasuke already suprressed the Kyuubi chakra once in Shippuden. The first time they met.

[blind]

Right, but that was kind of like how he saw into Itachi's true self, he looked into his brain (or heart, whatever you want to call it). Then he supressed it from within. And supressing is one thing, but controlling is something completely different.

[Valleyman]

Let me rephrase that then...

Sasuke hasn't even awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan yet(which obviously you can gain other than killing your best friend, hence Kakashi), which can suppress the Kyuubi chakra(which he can do already), which I didn't want to believe before until they confirmed it in this last chapter.

[Wannabe]

What blind said. Anyone can suppress chakra; anyone who is special enough can suppress Kyuubi's chakra (Hashirama-sama, Naruto, Sasuke, Yamato, et cetera). Right now the only person who has been shown to have the least amount of control over Kyuubi is Naruto. :/

EDIT: Never mind...lol.

[blind]

"Special enough" being the key there, since everyone listed has/will have some sort of ability to control Kyuubi. But not anyone can suppress anyone by just sheer will.

[Valleyman]

Sigh, maybe I'm just Naruto-deprived and it's making me like this. I mean who wants to read a manga where the main character(400 chapters into it) is so much more inferior to the secondary main character? And yet for some reason I come back and read it every week anyways, hoping that I'll get to see the main character kick some ass. As soon as we think we're going to see something from Naruto, Kishi throws Sasuke's emo ass in there to fix that misconception.

[blind]

That could be a major part of it too. The fact that Naruto gets so much less screen time (in Shipuuden anyways) than Sasuke gives the reader much less to gauge how much he has grown, and hence THAT itself is a misconception.

[Dream Catcher]

Well Naruto IS weak because he is still the same in essence...he may be smarter, but that's about it. Sasuke learned god moves and getting MS and having MAJOR battles, while Naruto has done NOTHING....

I see why people are angry

[blind]

Well Naruto IS weak because he is still the same in essence...he may be smarter, but that's about it. Sasuke learned god moves and getting MS and having MAJOR battles, while Naruto has done NOTHING....

I see why people are angry

Exactly, IS weak. How about his future?

[Hustlinaire]

Heart isn't going to get him anywhere either. Before someone like Pain just going "I'll never give up dattebayo!" isn't going to work. Probably not before Sasuke either.

lol...you sound just like him!

[rock-the-lotus]

uh, what i dont get is can the mangekyo control the kyuubis chakra or the kyuubi itself? because for right now i think it would make more sense for the mangekyo to control the kyuubi itself... cuz if madara could control the kyuubis chakra then i think that IF naruto fought him i dont think he could get close to winning even if he could get his kyuubi jesus power up to 9 tails. cuz madara would just suppress the chakra and flatten naruto....anyways...im ranting

[NarutoforHokage]

uh, what i dont get is can the mangekyo control the kyuubis chakra or the kyuubi itself? because for right now i think it would make more sense for the mangekyo to control the kyuubi itself... cuz if madara could control the kyuubis chakra then i think that IF naruto fought him i dont think he could get close to winning even if he could get his kyuubi jesus power up to 9 tails. cuz madara would just suppress the chakra and flatten naruto....anyways...im ranting

well thats why i believe we will se Naruto start to train himself to learn other besides using the Kyuubi's chakra. The Kyuubi's chakra is too unstable and should only be used if his own chakra is gone. Its also important i believe that Kishi builds naruto character more too and not more Kyuubi talk. It is important to talk a lil more about the Kyuubi, but we need Naruto to grow more like Sasuke has the past 50 or so chapters.

[Wannabe]

I wouldn't mind Naruto having more talks with Kyuubi. Actually, I kind of miss those (like I miss Naruto in general). :/ To me it is way cooler for Kyuubi to tempt Naruto with his power, but for Naruto to rise up and tell him to back off. [Naruto-seme heehee] :p Of course, there are other things, too. I'm curious to see what Naruto might learn from the fox, such as stuff about Madara or the first or fourth hokages.

[blind]

But will Kyuubi willingly talk to Naruto? Other than saying that he'll lend him power and such, he hasn't said much else..

[Valleyman]

The Kyuubi seems intelligent, unlike the other Bijuu though. I still doubt he would just listen to Naruto though, unless there was something in it for him.

[blind]

Exactly, I mean he's not exactly social when all he cares about is Naruto's survival, implying his survival...or can Naruto use that to his advantage...

"I'LL KILL MYSELF IF YOU DON'T TALK TO ME!!"

[Wannabe]

Lol!

Actually, I don't know what Kyuubi would tell Naruto, but no one knows until Naruto tries to get something out of him (and he should try!). It'd be worth a shot, if telling Naruto would somehow ensure his survival. What you don't know might kill you.

And I can see it now... Naruto demanding that Kyuubi lend him his info. :p

[blind]

If Kyuubi were to talk, he could tell him about his experiences or even a history lesson like Madara is giving Sasuke right now.

[Wannabe]

Exactly! That's why it would be interesting. XDDD

Kyuubi could be like Naruto's built-in information dispenser.

[KageNaruto]

It would rather sleep. Or ponder acts of revenge. Not going to happen is my point.

[blind]

I agree, it was all hypothetical anyways :biggrin1:
But will Kyuubi willingly talk to Naruto? Other than saying that he'll lend him power and such, he hasn't said much else..

[Wannabe]

Well, it is Naruto's subconscious. He has the right to go in there and demand information whenever he feels like regardless of what Kyuubi wants. Kyuubi can get mad at him and try to kill him or whatever, but that's really all he's going to accomplish...he might as well give Naruto what he wants if he really wants to just sleep.

[KageNaruto]

The only reason Kyuubi would ever negotiate is if it was bored beyond all belief, or had something to gain from the situation. I doubt it's the type to act on boredom (at least at the point of talking to nearly nobody for 16 years), and Naruto has nothing to offer it.

It's also obvious Naruto won't be prone to egging on like Gaara was as a child.

So all acts of commnication except in near death situations are not going to happen.

[blind]

Well, it is Naruto's subconscious. He has the right to go in there and demand information whenever he feels like regardless of what Kyuubi wants. Kyuubi can get mad at him and try to kill him or whatever, but that's really all he's going to accomplish...he might as well give Naruto what he wants if he really wants to just sleep.

Kyuubi won't try and kill Naruto, unless he feels like dying himself...and Naruto isn't stupid enough to do anything rash, so Kyuubi will most likely just ignore him...

[Wannabe]

I suppose it boils down to a matter of opinion on Kyuubi's personality. I can't imagine Kyuubi simply ignoring Naruto (okay, maybe his request, but while he's down there I think he would try to do something to the kid...). Considering that Kyuubi is a curious creature, he might give Naruto information just to see where it leads them or he might do nothing at all. I can see it happening either way, personally. :/

[blind]

Kyuubi hasn't shown to do anything when he has nothing to gain though, why would he suddenly tell Naruto just because he requested it?

[Wannabe]

Pre-timeskip he gave Naruto chakra just because he was gutsy enough to ask for it. It wasn't until later at the VOTE that he started exploiting Naruto's weaknesses. If there is truly some reason that Naruto must know about something, I think he might come out and tell him...it just depends what Naruto's reasoning might be (and Naruto would stoop to asking if it were to find Sasuke...).

[blind]

I don't think Naruto will ask, remember what Yamato told him? He should rely on his own strength to get Sasuke back, rather than depend on Kyuubi.

[Wannabe]

True. :p It might be difficult to find information about Uchiha Madara who has been forgotten in history, though. Naruto might be tempted to ask, especially if Kyuubi shows his face again.

[blind]

I dont' think he's been forgotten in history, it's just that no one knows he's still alive. I mean he was one of the founding fathers after all, but whether those sources (books, stories, etc.) are true is another story. Maybe Naruto will pick up on the fact that Kyuubi compared Sasuke's chakra to Madara, and ask him about it, but even then, why would Kyuubi tell him?

[KageNaruto]

True. :p It might be difficult to find information about Uchiha Madara who has been forgotten in history, though. Naruto might be tempted to ask, especially if Kyuubi shows his face again.

Really, this is the only time I see Naruto communicating with the fox, unless he's about to die again (bound to happen). Just because Naruto is probably bound to go after Madara and I'm sure Kyuubi isn't a fan of the Uchiha leader.

[Wannabe]

I think that's what we've been discussing for the past ten posts. :/ He seemed intrigued enough by Sasuke to mention him, so he might have something to say (he seems to like to monologue about people he hates and their cursed abilities...). Though the amount of detail might be in question here...

[blind]

But how much will Kyuubi know? For all we know, he was just controlled by Madara, and does he even know what happened when he was controlled? Does he remember? Manda didn't show any signs of remembering what happened when Sasuke controlled him via genjutsu with the Sharingan, and assuming that it's by the same mechanism, will Kyuubi remember?

[Wannabe]

Possibly? We do know that he managed to pick up Madara's name and information on the Sharingan and Uchiha clan, so he might have picked up other things as well.

And it can't be the exact same mechanism because control over Kyuubi takes MS while what Sasuke pulled on Manda was regular Sharingan...but it could definitely be similar.

[KageNaruto]

But how much will Kyuubi know? For all we know, he was just controlled by Madara, and does he even know what happened when he was controlled? Does he remember? Manda didn't show any signs of remembering what happened when Sasuke controlled him via genjutsu with the Sharingan, and assuming that it's by the same mechanism, will Kyuubi remember?

Manda did show signs. He groaned how Sasuke used him before he kicked the bucket. What signs were there otherwise?

And Kyuubi almost being an ethereal force should know at least a little information. But otherwise no talking between host and bijuu should occur, and I don't think we will get anywhere continuing this issue.

EDIT: It COULD be the same machanism, as MS is just like an overpowered Sharingan. You can cast something similar to Tsukiyomi on the person, but the effect won't be as devastating. Same with genjutsu that controlls perhaps.

[blind]

Possibly? We do know that he managed to pick up Madara's name and information on the Sharingan and Uchiha clan, so he might have picked up other things as well.

And it can't be the exact same mechanism because control over Kyuubi takes MS while what Sasuke pulled on Manda was regular Sharingan...but it could definitely be similar.

But that's the thing, he could have pick up on the little things, but how much detail does he know? Will it be more than what Naruto could find out on his own?

Yeah, but the result of how the creature was control was the same, Sharingan in their eyes, so I guess I meant similar mechanisms :D

Manda did show signs. He groaned how Sasuke used him before he kicked the bucket. What signs were there otherwise?


Him groaning was just because of the pain he was feeling as the genjutsu was wearing off, it doesn't necessarily mean he remembers what happened during the period of time when he was controled.

[KageNaruto]

Him groaning was just because of the pain he was feeling as the genjutsu was wearing off, it doesn't necessarily mean he remembers what happened during the period of time when he was controled.

So how does it mean that he doesen't remember? See, there's no proof at ALL of no memory, and at least a tiny hint of how he instantly knew Sasuke controlled him to lean the other way.

[blind]

He figured it out afterwards? In his memory, he could have had a major blank sandwiched in between, then connected the dots that he was controlled during that time.

[KageNaruto]

But there is no evidence that points toward that at all, so we are stuck at nothing at this point.

[blind]

Good point, I guess I was thinking that control of someone/something requires complete control (five senses, motor skills, brain etc.), but you're right, we'll have to wait and see.

[B0ukun]

I think the difference in the situations between manda and Kyuubi is that Kyuubi new exactly what was going on the instant he saw Sasuke, not only knew who madara was but knew the character of his chakra. Also the fact that Sasuke dispersed the chakra with out the use of any genjutsu from what we were shown can lead to kyuubi being consious durring his controling. Almost as a puppet. It could also be an attribute to the uchiha chakra as a whole. It was said that they had a special quality to their chakra so who knows

[blind]

Nono, the Kyuubi case that I was talking about was Madara controlling Kyuubi with MS, since in one of the cover pages we've seen Kyuubi with the Sharingan eyes, just like Manda when Sasuke used genjutsu on it.

[B0ukun]

Wait, what cover was that, I missed it in my journey to the west and what not. No seriously, I didn't see that one.

[blind]

Here you go:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/

[B0ukun]

Ahhh, clarity. Thanks for the link.

[Wannabe]

Good point, I guess I was thinking that control of someone/something requires complete control (five senses, motor skills, brain etc.), but you're right, we'll have to wait and see.

From what I can tell, it probably doesn't work where the genjutsu completely overrides the memory and action of the person/thing it's "controlling." People generally have a record of what they saw while they were in a genjutsu that tricked them into doing what they did (remember Naruto when he was stuck in Itachi's Utakata? Sakura said he tried to drive a Rasengan into air). What Kyuubi knows depends on what he saw before, during, and after the genjutsu, which we can only guess at this point.

[blind]

From what I can tell, it probably doesn't work where the genjutsu completely overrides the memory and action of the person/thing it's "controlling." People generally have a record of what they saw while they were in a genjutsu that tricked them into doing what they did (remember Naruto when he was stuck in Itachi's Utakata? Sakura said he tried to drive a Rasengan into air). What Kyuubi knows depends on what he saw before, during, and after the genjutsu, which we can only guess at this point.

But that action of driving a rasengan into the air is based on what he's seeing in the genjutsu. He doesn't remember what actually happened outside of the genjutsu

[Wannabe]

Yeah, exactly. That's why I said that we can only guess what Kyuubi saw while he was in the genjutsu and what he saw before/after it. :D

[B0ukun]

But was it stated that the control was garnered by Genjutsu? Wasn't it stated that the uchiha could summon the Kyuubi or am I mistaken? If thats the case then I doubt a genjutsu could summon the beast.

[blind]

I don't think it was said that Kyuubi could be summoned by Uchihas (if not, link please :p), but the control thing I was just theorizing because that was how Sasuke controlled Manda.

[Wannabe]

Well, Manda was controlled by Sasuke's genjutsu and on that cover that blind showed you Kyuubi had Sharingan in his eyes, just as Manda did while he was under Sasuke's genjutsu. Thus, we can assume that those two mechanisms were very similar. Like KageNaruto said, MS (which is the ability needed to control the fox) is really just an overpowered Sharingan...

EDIT: Jiraiya said that Uchiha Madara would be the only one capable of summoning the nine-tailed demon fox. Whether that means they actually have or haven't before is up to speculation, though.

[blind]

I just don't see how an all-powerful being like Kyuubi can be summoned just with a doutjutsu. I would have to say it requires some type of ritual, but that would mean that people other than Uchihas could do so as well...

[B0ukun]

Ahhh, I see that. Like I said on the summoning thing, I'm not certain, but there would have to be a question of how kyuubi got there in the first place. Seems a little far fetched that a five story tall beast would just be hanging around the village and no one person takes notice.

Kyubi would also be difficult to hide as its depicted as often being larger that the Hokage's mansion if not the cliff behind it. On both counts somethings missing. If Madara can't summon it, and the thing is hard to hide on it's own, its personality doesn't even fit the type of character to hide, I believe there was some kind of partnership where Kyubi had laid in wait for Madara's signal.

Sharingan needs to keep eye contact with it's victim for genjutsu to be maintained, therefore I don't believe that It was purely genjutsu.

[blind]

Actually you don't need to maintain eye contact, one you make eye contact once you're already stuck in the genjutsu, so it wouldn't matter.

[B0ukun]

True, but with enough chakra and control of such, one can break a genjutsu. I don't doubt that kyubi would have enough control over his chakra and the strength of which to break even the strongest genjutsu. Though he did admit to Madara having an exceptionally sinister grade of chakra.

Though I still don't see how one would hide such a beast until the time was right.

[winchester20]

Hmm, so in 403 (incoming spoiler).....

































Itachi transfers some of his power to Naruto. Looks like it'll need a trigger to activate. Something like a Tsukuyomi thrown at Naruto or some other high level, Uchiha only technique that only Sasuke (and Madara too I guess) now have. The Golden Question is will this be a power that stays with Nartuo after it activates or will it be a one shot, pull your bacon outta the fire kind of thing? And which one do you prefer?

Personally, as I've been feeling like Naruto's gotten a little stale lately as far as not showing us anything really new, other then FRS, I almost want it to be a permanent ability, just to give Naruto a little more variety. It is the spice of life after all. Sasuke has become a frickin Swiss Army Knife of Techniques. I'm feeling like Naruto is long overdue for a bone. Actually a number of them.

I guess I don't really care what the new power is or if it's permanent or not, so long as Naruto starts getting some more upgrades. He's gonna need 'em if Sasuke continues down his Path of Destruction trip.

[blind]

I'm 100% sure it isn't Tsukuyomi, as we've seen him use it during his fight with Sasuke. It's possibly an ability that requires some sort of triggering, but this will undoubtedly be a power boost (as small as it may be, or big) to Naruto as we've seen Sasuke with MS. Hopefully Kishi will even the grounds.

[shiodoru]

I don't think that Ms can control Kyubi like a ''remote control car''..i think that the Sharingan actually has the potential to summon the 9 tails n cuz of the summoning the spirit of the person or the beast obeys to the summoners request ,just like the 2 summoned hokages by Oros forbiden justu.(forgive ny english)

[blind]

Well it was said that MS could control Kyuubi, whether it's through obeying the summoner, or genjutsu, or whatever mechanism, we know that with MS it's possible.

Jman did suspect Madara in summoning Kyuubi, so there's probably some truth to that.

[winchester20]

My bad Blind, I meant that the trigger to activate Naruto's "gift" would be something like Sasuke trying to use Tsukuyomi on Naruto, something like that. Or it could be something that can counteract whatever MS could do to the Kyuubi inside of Naruto. We've seen Sasuke already supress the Kyuubi's chakra, maybe Itaachi's "gift" is simply a counteract to that.

[blind]

Ah, in that case, I agree. But what kind of ability would that be, that's basically trying to help Naruto leak out Kyuubi's chakra, if it counteracts the supression of it.

[B0ukun]

And if Itachi really wants to protect the village, thats the last thing he'd want to do.

[blind]

And if Itachi really wants to protect the village, thats the last thing he'd want to do.

Unless he knows that Naruto is willing to do anything to protect the village, then it'd make sense, since having Kyuubi on your side would be a great advantage. But I still doubt that's happening.

[B0ukun]

I was under the impression that Naruto becomes consumed by kyuubi chakra and Kyubi becomes evil beast of unlimited destructive power.

[blind]

Well what he said was to counter how Sasuke suppresses Kyuubi's chakra, I was thinking that he would just counteract that ability, but not necessarily overpower it by letting Kyuubi's chakra gush out, similar to tweaking the seal.

[winchester20]

You got it, Blind. That was what I meant. The Kyuubi has lots of passive abilities that help Naruto. The suppresion of any one of which would hamper Naruto's ability to fight. But then Naruto has shown that he has the ability to pull out the Kyuubi's power without losing himself, without even going into tailed form; the fight with Neji in the Chuunin Exams, and when Gaara went Shukaku-form at the Battle of Konohoa for example. It's just a trick to use it safely. And we still don't know what's gonna happen when the frog-scroll with the Seal shows up. Maybe nothing, maybe something. Like maybe getting better control over it. Who knows but the Kishi? Anyways, I imagine Itaachi would know about the effect the Sharingan in all it's varieties has over the Kyuubi, and he's old enough to remember the attack on the village, so I'm just suspecting that he's given Naruto/Kyuubi a way to withstand Sasuke if Sasuke were to roll out the big guns against him.

[blind]

Great point. However, the suppression of Kyuubi would only affect Naruto if he were tired/mentally weak, so it's not as if his ability being hampered would be as big of a deal as him being tired.

The key toad will definitely play a huge part in this. It's ability to open/close the seal will create so many different scenerios. It's just that it might be a little reluctant to store himself in Naruto for reasons stated by the key to Jman.

[Hiyo]

After reading some of the chapters I think Minato gave Naruto Kyuubi in the hopes one day Naruto would surpass him. Think about it along the lines of Itachi and Sasuke. Itachi did all this bad stuff to try to push Sasuke into being stronger. What if Minato did the same thing to Naruto? Jiraiya said Minato left the key to the seal behind in hopes that one day Naruto would complete "that jutsu". I think the jutsu he wanted him to complete was the sealing jutsu. I bet anything that Minato was trying to find a way to rid the ninja world of control of the bijuus. Maybe Minato planned for Naruto to go through all that's happened in the hopes that one day Naruto would complete the sealing jutsu and seal up the rest of Kyuubi. Then he'd be powerful enough to stop all the countries from using bijuus to destroy other villages/countries.

If fills the prophecy for Jiraiya too. There's the possibility Akatsuki could get Kyuubi and ruin the world... or Naruto could learn to seal Kyuubi and save the world by sealing up all the bijuus forever.

Just an idea.

[Owenotto]

Interesting...... Seeing how sure is jiraiya to minato, it could be the reason..... Then minato surely has guts to leave everything in his newborn child......
Maybe when naruto was born, somethin' miraculous was happening..... So Minato saw that as a premonition that his son is the Messiah......

[teh mirage]

I think Jiraiya taught naruto one of his techs that he doesn't want naruto to use, thats "that jutsu" in my eyes. Tsunade most likely taught one to sakura as well, and knowing this they are all going to be epic jutsus. On the other hand it could have been some seal weakening technique because it obviously wasn't to use the key on his seal, the reason is because jiraiya would not have said don't use "that jutsu" when he was in control of the kyuubi seal key. I also think itachi gave him a special armor to counter susanoo, or jiraiya gave him a special armor jutsu. There was this picture of sasuke with susanoo and naruto with another type of summon armor, just another endless stalement between naruto and sasuke. W/e sasuke gets naruto gets beat and gets something else thats sweet, then sasuke gets something awesome, then naruto does something unpredictable with a trumph card. Itachi may have had more then one armor or something, or jiraiya gave it to him. It could have been the 4th's too, because we don't know too much about him, or even kushinas or the uzimakes clan armor. It seems like that jutsu and the power itachi gave him are both incredibly dangerous to everyone and naruto.

[the bane]

it will be awesome if naruto knows a very powerful jutsu that we haven't seen as yet

[Arty]

Isnt anyone bored of the Kyuubi ? :S

[blind]

it will be awesome if naruto knows a very powerful jutsu that we haven't seen as yet

If he doesn't know one already (usable in battle), there is no doubt that he'll know one eventually, since he only has FRS in his arsenal right now, and even that will hurt himself.

[Arty]

:(

Why does Kishi make Naruto so uninteresting >.<

[blind]

He's uninteresting now, but I have a feeling that when Kishi writes about him getting power ups like Sasuke has been, people wouldn't be saying the same thing. :D

[Arty]

bahh , im just waiting for the personality change.

[blind]

He might get one, if Kishi intends to mature him using Jiraiya's death, or perhaps even Tsunade's death. Or he might not, as it's pretty much his trademark to be a loudmouth ninja in orange. So it's pretty much debatable.

[Arty]

Well

Ive said it befor! , We need to see the dark side of Naruto - He needs to get his feet down , face the facts and act.

I want him to leave Konoha.

[blind]

I think we'll see this dark side when Naruto learn of Jiraiya's death. I just don't think he'll be the same after knowing about it. I mean it'd be impossible for him to be all hyper and stuff after that, unless he goes into a rage...

About him leaving Konoha, where else is safe enough for him to go?

[Valleyman]

I'd love to see Naruto fight Pain(in the future of course) showing no mercy and intending to not stop until he's dead.

[Owenotto]

About him leaving Konoha, where else is safe enough for him to go?

Toad mountain?? Another dimension maybe??

[blind]

lol...another dimension. Keep in mind that Madara's time/space jutsu possibly allows him to travel into other dimensions.

And toad mountain, we know nothing about their defenses, so it's possible. But for a bunch of toads to defend against the likes of Pein, I'm not so sure.

[teh mirage]

Well

Ive said it befor! , We need to see the dark side of Naruto - He needs to get his feet down , face the facts and act.

I want him to leave Konoha.


He puts his dream of being hokage before everyone, naruto has 2 crazy jutsus/powers that are unknown, both possible having to do with a kyuubi mix. The other thing is that he will mature alot, and beat the snot out of pein. He also has to learn about his past, his parents, the kyuubi, etc. Also he is going to learn how corrupt konoha was, and that will make him want to change clans even more when he is hokage. He will most likely find out his clan was wiped out due to some clan BS as well, which will make him more determined. I feel that tsunade will tell him about his life on her deathbed, or maybe even kakashi.

[Valleyman]

And toad mountain, we know nothing about their defenses, so it's possible. But for a bunch of toads to defend against the likes of Pein, I'm not so sure.


True but does Pain even know how to get there? Of course naruto doesn't either but maybe they'll come fetch him or Jiraiya left Naruto something behind?

[blind]

He puts his dream of being hokage before everyone, naruto has 2 crazy jutsus/powers that are unknown, both possible having to do with a kyuubi mix. The other thing is that he will mature alot, and beat the snot out of pein. He also has to learn about his past, his parents, the kyuubi, etc. Also he is going to learn how corrupt konoha was, and that will make him want to change clans even more when he is hokage. He will most likely find out his clan was wiped out due to some clan BS as well, which will make him more determined. I feel that tsunade will tell him about his life on her deathbed, or maybe even kakashi.

Actually, I think his dream of becoming Hokage is for everyone. He wants to attain that title so that he could protect everyone, such a selfless dream.

True but does Pain even know how to get there? Of course naruto doesn't either but maybe they'll come fetch him or Jiraiya left Naruto something behind?

They might come get him, or Jiraiya might have left him something, that's why I left it as possible :D

[Valleyman]

Actually as of late he seems to be putting saving Sasuke before his dream even though he comes up with the excuse of "Someone who can't even save their friend, can't become hokage".


They might come get him, or Jiraiya might have left him something, that's why I left it as possible :D


True, I was just saying would Pain be able to find it? He seems sharp and would have to be to be the leader but still I don't think it would be too simple to find it. Naruto might be able to get strong enough in that time. Maybe his genius genes would finally kick in?

[Owenotto]

Naruto seems to be a tadpole now... Not interesting for a main character... I think it will be just for this time... No more Sasuke... I'm ready for some progression......

[blind]

Actually as of late he seems to be putting saving Sasuke before his dream even though he comes up with the excuse of "Someone who can't even save their friend, can't become hokage".



Yeah, but that's a requirement he sets for himself. This high standard that he sets for himself is also a part of his dream, as he wants to protect everyone when becoming Hokage. It's almost like it's a test for himself.

About Pein finding it, probably. He has Zetsu and Konan to do scouting for him, I wouldn't see why they couldn't find it, unless there was some sort of barrier on the entrance or something...

[Arty]

Im interested in seeing what sasuke has in stock for naruto.

I seriously doubt , now that Itachi is gone - hes gonna treat Naruto like the rest. I have a feeling Sasuke might try and use him both for the power of the kyuubi and for a rather strong allie.

[blind]

But will Naruto still be this weak when he goes fight Sasuke? I highly doubt that. Sasuke may try, but I don't know if he'll succeed.

[teh mirage]

Actually, I think his dream of becoming Hokage is for everyone. He wants to attain that title so that he could protect everyone, such a selfless dream.



They might come get him, or Jiraiya might have left him something, that's why I left it as possible :D

Once again, he would not become a missing nin just because jiraiya was killed, he would want to become hokage so it wouldn't happen like that again. That is his ultimate ambition, so he can protect everyone. I guess i should have put it like this, no person/group will stop him from becoming hokage, he puts that dream in front of everyone. He wants to protect everyone, but most of all he wants to be regarded as the best nin and be ACKNOWLEDGED by everyone.

[Valleyman]

Right now he would. But I think Kishi is gonna put their fight off until he powers up Naruto. Unless he's gonna have his precious little Sasugay kick our dear little Naruto's keister? That would be lame.

[blind]

Once again, he would not become a missing nin just because jiraiya was killed, he would want to become hokage so it wouldn't happen like that again. That is his ultimate ambition, so he can protect everyone. I guess i should have put it like this, no person/group will stop him from becoming hokage, he puts that dream in front of everyone. He wants to protect everyone, but most of all he wants to be regarded as the best nin and be ACKNOWLEDGED by everyone.

Yeah, but at the same time, surely he must know that he isn't strong enough right now? If this person that was standing in his way was able to defeat even his sensei, Naruto must know that he isn't strong enough at the moment to acheive that dream. Hence he needs to go train if this dream is really that important to him.

[Owenotto]

I htink kishi will save Naruto vs sasuke till the end of the manga... Oh yes, there is another candidate, Naruto vs konohamaru......

[the bane]

it's high time kishi makes naruto stronger.....since kishi said he's going to concentrate on sakura and kakashi now,naruto should go to the toad mountain

[Valleyman]

I'm gonna laugh if Naruto gets only like 1 fight after he gets powered up. That would just top the cake.

[Arty]

I agree.

its time for naruto to leave.

[Owenotto]

If he leaves, there will be another timeskip imo...

[blind]

Again, the question stands. Where could he go? Toad Mountain could teach him something about Hermit mode, like what it did for Jiraiya, but not much else. Train on his own outside Konoha? He'll just get snatched up by Pein before he even starts his training. Where else can he go?

[Arty]

Thats not so unlikely :)

It would be kinda cool if Sasuke went Orochimarus road of gathering strong allies.

[blind]

Isn't that what he's been doing? Collecting Juugo and Karin and Suigetsu, and now Madara?

[Owenotto]

I think she was saying about having his own village......

[teh mirage]

Yeah, but at the same time, surely he must know that he isn't strong enough right now? If this person that was standing in his way was able to defeat even his sensei, Naruto must know that he isn't strong enough at the moment to acheive that dream. Hence he needs to go train if this dream is really that important to him.

He holds the kyuubi, and the single most powerful jutsu I have seen so far in this manga, like hell hes not strong enough. I mean sure pein would mop the floor with him, some kage tactical training and other things would easily help him overcome pein. I think he could surpass pein in a mere couple of months granted he knew what was needed to be known of pein. Naruto has a huge chakra supply, the biggest next to kisame. Naruto can be 1-1000, I think if an ything hes gonna be able to own pein.

[blind]

You answered your own question. I said that he must know that he isn't strong enough RIGHT NOW. Of course that implies training. And what good is Kyuubi when he can't control it? Another reason why he needs training.

[Owenotto]

He holds the kyuubi, and the single most powerful jutsu I have seen so far in this manga, like hell hes not strong enough. I mean sure pein would mop the floor with him, some kage tactical training and other things would easily help him overcome pein. I think he could surpass pein in a mere couple of months granted he knew what was needed to be known of pein. Naruto has a huge chakra supply, the biggest next to kisame. Naruto can be 1-1000, I think if an ything hes gonna be able to own pein.

Lol, it's not that simple to put in the way... Remember that Pein had aperfect timing and also a perfect defence....... Right now, Naruto is nowhere near Pein level.....

[teh mirage]

Lol, it's not that simple to put in the way... Remember that Pein had aperfect timing and also a perfect defence....... Right now, Naruto is nowhere near Pein level.....
No I definitley understand that, but if kyuubi goes beserk on him, what could pein possibly do? Nothing.


That jutsu might be the release of the kyuubi, who knows what naruto is capable of at this point. Pein>Naruto for sure at the moment, but in time I think they will be evenly matched even without the kyuubi. The 4th would have ruined pein, naruto is going to surpass him. I def understnad right now he is no match, but given the right circumstances and knowing peins secret, I think naruto could take him. I have no idea what pein is capable of, no freakin clue. I am just saying pein might have his hands full with narutos kaje bunshin tech. Capturing him would be difficult and especially if he goes kyuubi or uses frs, pein will def take a hit......if he doesn't then I could see pein owning naruto and then naruto bouncing back to ruin him a few months later.

[blind]

Kyuubi going berserk wouldn't be Naruto defeating Pein then, it would be Kyuubi defeating Pein.

And about the 4th, how could you have known that for sure? We've only seen 2 jutsus from him, the rest are as good as myths. Yes, he was powerful, but I don't think we can compare the two.

[Owenotto]

I think he was trying to type "4tk"........

[Valleyman]

Well, the Kyuubi itself is an immortal demon isn't it? Saying it would defeat Pain is like stating the sky is blue. But it wouldn't be Naruto defeating Pain and also once it's over it would go on a rampage destroying things other than Pain too, so...

[blind]

I think he was trying to type "4tk"........

No, I think he meant Yondaime, otherwise he wouldn't have talked about Naruto surpassing him...

Well, the Kyuubi itself is an immortal demon isn't it? Saying it would defeat Pain is like stating the sky is blue. But it wouldn't be Naruto defeating Pain and also once it's over it would go on a rampage destroying things other than Pain too, so...

Exactly.

[Naru-Ichi]

I think that Yondaime could have possibly beaten Pein.

How is Naruto going to have time to train before he fights Pein if Pein is on his way to capturing Naruto.

[Owenotto]

He...he... Yeah, you're the man, blind......

@mirage

Knowing Pein's secret might help naruto fighting Pein, but still Naruto has to train a lot to be at least equal to him.......

[B0ukun]

He's in no way equal to Pein. Granted his Kage Bunshin allows him to hvae a stripped down version of Peins sight ability but...No Naruto would be beaten into paste.

The only thing I could think of that would help him but be the ultimate in cheating. Send Bunshins to train in different things for as long as they can. Have 25 study Ninjutsu, 6 study Taijutsu, 8 Reading different books and 300 doing physical stuff like weight trainig and running. If he's lucky he'll be ready to fight in about a week.

[blind]

I can see him motivated to train right after hearing news about Jiraiya, perhaps dragging Yamato and Kakashi out with him to do so. They would understand that this is his way to dealing with his grief, as well as wanting to avenge his former mentor.

[NarutoforHokage]

He's in no way equal to Pein. Granted his Kage Bunshin allows him to hvae a stripped down version of Peins sight ability but...No Naruto would be beaten into paste.

The only thing I could think of that would help him but be the ultimate in cheating. Send Bunshins to train in different things for as long as they can. Have 25 study Ninjutsu, 6 study Taijutsu, 8 Reading different books and 300 doing physical stuff like weight trainig and running. If he's lucky he'll be ready to fight in about a week.

I like ur idea, but running and weight training? do they even have weights in Narutouniverse? Ive thought of your idea too tho but more like 200 doing studying of battle techniques and situations, 500 learning new ninjutsu, and another 300 learning tijutsu skills

[blind]

Lee pre time skip carried weights, then took it off when he fought Gaara, so that type of training is possible...

[B0ukun]

You didn't take into account the revisiting of stress on the host body. 500 doing learning new jutsu means more stress on the host each time one of them accidentally gets hit with the jutsu. Thats why I wanted so little on things that could possibly hurt him. Also you gotta figure he learned the summoning jutsu in an afternoon by himself. Or at least thats how it seemed. If he can learn that by himself then 20 of him could have learned it in ten minutes. 8 for books because I think it would be possible for the information to get jumbled if he did too much at once. The tech was only done with everyone focused on a single goal. Split the concentration too much and it might have adverse effects. I don't think Naruto needs multiple personality disorder.

[Naru-Ichi]

Yeah I thought about him doing different things with kbs too but like you said the stress would probably be to great for it though even with a limited number of them doing different things.

[NarutoforHokage]

Hey Naru-Ichi, u have a pretty cool sig lol.:focus: right now i think Narutos character needs a very big upgrade with his events. I mean Shippuden has barely shown anything of him and what he can do. Sure 4tk was nice but i wanna see what Naruto can do in a long fight that Sasuke has gotten twice now and even Jariaya and Sakura have gotten. We need to see Naruto become what we all know he can be and thats a total badass

[Naru-Ichi]

Thanks and yeah we haven't even seen him do a solo fight yet (at least i don't remember if he has).

[the bane]

nope,he hasn't been in a solo fight as yet......though he has taken out two of kakuzu's hearts

[blind]

I would consider that half a fight, I mean he had to figure out his ability and skills on his own, then find a way to hit his killer jutsu, and adjust when he failed. Although it was short, it was still pretty decent for him.

[NarutoforHokage]

Yea i understand that but it was way too short to be satisfying. also there were only 2 techniques used by him. Will we ever see Oodama Resangan again? What about a wind technique other than FRS? We have seen him use Fuuton Resangan before, he should maybe use that and see if it that has any different effects. Maybe Fuuton Resangan cuts u also like FRS? Theres way too many questions left unanswered with Naruto and its aggrivating

Edit: heres a link to Fuuton Resangan:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/337/16/
maybe this is foreshadowing a tecnique he may use if he also attains water element

[Arty]

Your sig is to big , please make it a lit smaller :)

[teh mirage]

Kyuubi going berserk wouldn't be Naruto defeating Pein then, it would be Kyuubi defeating Pein.

And about the 4th, how could you have known that for sure? We've only seen 2 jutsus from him, the rest are as good as myths. Yes, he was powerful, but I don't think we can compare the two.

Yea kyuubi is in naruto last time I checked ;)

Plus he looks like naruto sorta in 4tk form


4th hokage could ruin jiraiya and has a teleportation jutsu, rasengans from behind, and plenty of other jutsus. He is just a better jiraiya in my opinion, plus he has the death god sealing jutsu. I don't know he was regarded as a genius, he probably knows a ton of jutsus. I swear the 4th would crap on him, just porting everywhere and owning kids.

Looking back on it, naruto can memorize complicated jutsus too, kage bunshin is a Jounin level jutsu and naruto memorized it when he was in the academy. Pein would crush naruto, but would pein crush naruto + kyuubi....who knows because we haven't seen what both of them can do, but yea pein would crush naruto at this point. I do know that if pein tried to block some of those hits that jiraiya sent at him, naruto would rip right thru it with frs, too bad he breaks his arm when he does it.

[Arty]

He cant teleport everywhere.

He needs to know the location and marks it with a kunai. If the oponent knows where the kunai or jump spots are its easy to predict and attack accordingly.

You know nothing about the fourth so please do not specualte such utter bullshit ^^

And Kyuubi vs Pain isnt a ninja fight just so you know - And it has less than anything to do with Naruto.

[oipotty]

The only concrete evidence we have of the fourth's powers is that he was regarded as one of the strongest, if not the strongest that Konoha had ever born. Also, we know only several of his techniques and we know that the Hidden Stone Village gave a flee on sight command while he was still a jounin sensei.

I don't know if he could "shit" on the third. Maybe he was young and didn't grow to his full potential yet (he wasn't able to add the chakra elemental affinity into resengan. That would've made him THAT much more powerful). So, "shit on" is pushing it... maybe defeat?

[blind]

Yea kyuubi is in naruto last time I checked ;)

Plus he looks like naruto sorta in 4tk form


Does he have control over himself when he's in 4tk form? No. And if he doesn't have control over himself, how does that even still count as him?


4th hokage could ruin jiraiya and has a teleportation jutsu, rasengans from behind, and plenty of other jutsus. He is just a better jiraiya in my opinion, plus he has the death god sealing jutsu. I don't know he was regarded as a genius, he probably knows a ton of jutsus. I swear the 4th would crap on him, just porting everywhere and owning kids.

You're right, he probably has a bunch of other jutsus. But the fact that we haven't seen any of these (or heard of any of these) jutsus makes this discussion limited, as we can just make up whatever powerful jutsu and say "The 4th could have done this, he would have owned.".


Looking back on it, naruto can memorize complicated jutsus too, kage bunshin is a Jounin level jutsu and naruto memorized it when he was in the academy. Pein would crush naruto, but would pein crush naruto + kyuubi....who knows because we haven't seen what both of them can do, but yea pein would crush naruto at this point. I do know that if pein tried to block some of those hits that jiraiya sent at him, naruto would rip right thru it with frs, too bad he breaks his arm when he does it.

That is, if he's even capable of landing a hit with FRS. Remember that Pein has the ability to see from different angles, hence making his defense that much more perfect that Kakuzu's.

[Naru-Ichi]

Does he have control over himself when he's in 4tk form? No. And if he doesn't have control over himself, how does that even still count as him?

Because it's his body....but no it really like kyuubi.

[blind]

Yeah, but at 4tk, it's as if Kyuubi is just using Naruto's body as a medium. Naruto isn't conscious to make the decisions for the actions he's taking in this form, hence I don't consider that Naruto.

[Arty]

The Nine tails and Naruto are two different beings.

I consider it ok for Naruto to borrow chakra from the Kyuubi but anything more than that is just a fight between a beast and ninja.

[blind]

I agree. I mean, if he loses his mind in the middle of a fight to Kyuubi, and Kyuubi's chakra (along with itself) seeps out through Naruto, I couldn't possibly still count that as a fight as Naruto vs. anyone.

Kyuubi could be used as a tool (ie. His chakra), but when he completely takes control, Naruto becomes the tool.

[Obito_The_ONE]

I think that they can use Naruto as long as tool as the aims Kyuubi/Naruto is used for, fit to the aims of Naruto... for example the oro fight ... he let kyuubi take of the controll to become stronger , to defeat oro and to bring sasuke back.
I think that Naruto has such a strong will that nobody is able to break it. So Naruto became Naruto again in case they use him for the wrong and bad aims.

[Arty]

lol?

The kyuubi almost killed Sakura and would have if not for Yamada.

Naruto has no power over the kyuubi anymore.

[Obito_The_ONE]

But it still went for the aim of saving Sasuke... no matter what consequences it will have.
at least in some way

[blind]

lol?

The kyuubi almost killed Sakura and would have if not for Yamada.

Naruto has no power over the kyuubi anymore.

Correction, he will have no power if he chooses to use it, chooses to let his chakra out and go into tailed form. We've seen him use Kyuubi's chakra under control, it's just when he goes into the tailed forms all hell breaks loose.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Actually he still had controll over himself with 3 tails so sorry if I correct it.

[blind]

Actually he still had controll over himself with 3 tails so sorry if I correct it.

Yeah he does, but like someone has said before (I think it was Arty), he'd be struggling mentally to maintain consciousness, so he wouldn't really be effective in that stage.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Is that the case ? I thought that Jirayia said once that he has controll over himself as long as he stays 1-3 tails.

[y.o.]

Is that the case ? I thought that Jirayia said once that he has controll over himself as long as he stays 1-3 tails.

He did, its not until the 4th tail that he losses all control and the ability to tell the difference b/n friend or foe!

[blind]

Is that the case ? I thought that Jirayia said once that he has controll over himself as long as he stays 1-3 tails.

Well, I'm assuming that it's a gradient. He gradually loses control as more tails comes out, and loses all control at 4tk. So at 3tk he would be struggling to stay in control.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Well sounds plausible...
I think that he's isn't struggling that much with 3 tails, its more like it changes abrupt with getting the 4th tail .

[Arty]

Not to mention the fact that the tailed forms are all transformations of the Kyuubi.

Or attempts of the kyuubi to control or fight as seen when the chakra acts on its own.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Yes exately ^^ this sounds much more plausible ;)

[y.o.]

Not to mention the fact that the tailed forms are all transformations of the Kyuubi.

Or attempts of the kyuubi to control or fight as seen when the chakra acts on its own.

I wish the kyuubi would actually be more of a mentor and teach naruto things, instead of just lending him power all the time!

[blind]

What could he teach Naruto? History?

I don't think he can teach him how to control his chakra, as it's different for Kyuubi and Jinchuuriki in terms of how to control each other's chakras. I don't think there is much he can teach Naruto.

[Obito_The_ONE]

But Kyuubi can clear the point of madara attacking konoha 16 years ago or not . And he maybe can tell Naruto how to defeat an Really strong Uchiha without some special Kekkei Genkai ( as there is a connection between Uchiha and Kyuubi ). Just defeat them through their weaknesses .

[blind]

If he were really controlled through Sharingan (more specifically MS), he would be able to tell Naruto anything because he'd be put into a genjutsu, as we've seen from Sasuke putting Manda in a genjutsu. That is, assuming it works by the same (or similar) mechanism.

[Arty]

Well there are pictures of Kyuubi with sharingan reflecting from his eyes , the same as when Manda was controlled.

[Obito_The_ONE]

Well then. So Kyuubi is useless in terms of teaching Naruto ^^
But must be a bit more then a powerboost for Naruto

[blind]

Well there are pictures of Kyuubi with sharingan reflecting from his eyes , the same as when Manda was controlled.

Exactly, which is why I think it works under the same mechanism as what Sasuke did to Manda, which resulted in the Sharingan in his eyes as well.

[Arty]

The kyuubi is rather ancient though , and he does seem to care a lit about Naruto.

Like Y.O said he could have SOMETHING to tell/show him... I dno what but hey <.< Would ad some oomph to his existance.

[Obito_The_ONE]

I think Kyuubi just cares about Naruto because he dies when Naruto dies. so avoid it he's giving his power to Naruto ^^

[teh mirage]

Well pein killed jiraiya, naruto will find that out, he'll flip and unleash 4tk at the minimum....peins objective is to get to naruto. Naruto will want to fight sasuke but I am sure pein will stop that from happening.

[blind]

I don't think he'll go crazy and unleash 4tk, whoever giving him the news will be quick to remind him that he'll be killed at his current level in a fight with Pein, who was capable of killing Jiraiya, he should calm down after that.

[the bane]

Well pein killed jiraiya, naruto will find that out, he'll flip and unleash 4tk at the minimum....peins objective is to get to naruto. Naruto will want to fight sasuke but I am sure pein will stop that from happening.

i don't think naruto will unleash 4tk....when someone gives him the news of jiraiya's death, he will be upset but i doubt he will unleash 4tk....he knows that he will destroy his own village by doing so

[blind]

Exactly, not to mention he'll remember what Yamato told him, that if he wanted to achieve his goal he should do it on his own power and not rely on Kyuubi's power anymore.

[mtv637]

i don't think the ms could control the chakra of the kyubi, cause its already stated that the first could control the chakra so therefore the ms controls the kyubi.

[blind]

Well, isn't controlling Kyuubi the same as controlling it's chakra? It is Kyuubi's chakra after all, and if you control it, you're controlling it's chakra as well...

[mandelak]

well i have to agree with blind on this one. i dont usually, but i do now.

whether you control it using its chakra or control it some other way its still controlling it. they were both able to control its power fully. weather sharingan is used or a couple of pieces of wood is shoved up its &%^$

control is still control

[blind]

Exactly, maybe the mechanism is different (MS through genjutsu, Mokuton through physical suppression), but as long as the result is still the same (or similar in this case), it should still mean the same thing.

[teh mirage]

Well, isn't controlling Kyuubi the same as controlling it's chakra? It is Kyuubi's chakra after all, and if you control it, you're controlling it's chakra as well...
When he gets angry at someone he flips out.

[blind]

Yes, but everytime that has happened, it has been out of the village, or there was no one that was right there to help him supress it. This time, he's in the village and he knows the consquences, that if he unleashes Kyuubi there, he'll destroy the village, and he wouldn't want that.

[Owenotto]

Hearing jiraiya's death, maybe he will go doing some wild rampage at the village......

[blind]

And risk destroying the village that he vowed to protect? Not to mention there'll be people in his vicinity to stop him? I think that's highly unlikely.

[mandelak]

he wont go on a rampage, he isnt the same as he was before. he will be angry and upset but wont go ape shit.

i also think that yamato mentioned something about naruto actually letting kyuubi take over. that is why he loses it because he feels its the fastest way to get results. to have a lot of power then he can do anything.

[the bane]

yeah,if yamato or kakashi is around,there won't be a problem

[blind]

i also think that yamato mentioned something about naruto actually letting kyuubi take over. that is why he loses it because he feels its the fastest way to get results. to have a lot of power then he can do anything.

Actually what he said was that Naruto was too impatient, and he knows that through Kyuubi he'll achieve his goals the fastest. But then he goes on to question him about whether or not he wanted to achieve those goals with his own powers or not, that's when Naruto agreed not to rely on Kyuubi's power any longer.

[Arty]

Well.

I doubt it will happen but i long so hard for it...

I WANT NARUTO AND SASUKE TEAM!!! , If all goes will Sasuke will be able to convince Naruto that the people he woved to prove his worth to are but worthless shit and just maybe he will be able to convert him to his side.

Brothers ftw :D

[B0ukun]

Naruto's not as stupid as Sasuke. He'll take one look at Madara and scream "I hate his face."

Actually, Naruto wouldn't buy it. Even if he heard the whole story and found it to be true. He'd just want the three geezers out of the village. He wouldn't want to destroy the entire thing.

[blind]

I agree, it's not in Naruto's personality to kill anyone for anything, unless it was to get Sasuke back. Killing the elders won't bring him back, so he wouldn't do it.

I wonder what Naruto will say when he realizes Tobi = Madara...

[B0ukun]

Actually, Naruto wants to kill alot of people, well he did at one point. He wanted to kill Tanzo the bridge builder, he would have killed Haku if he didn't recognize the face of the boy/girl. He tried to Kill Kabuto aswell. Oh yeah, he tried to Kill Oro more than once.

He also tried to kill Kakuza, who IMO would have died within the hour even if Kakashi hadn't Chidori'd him in a valiant attempt to steal Naruto's shine.

I'm talking past and present.

[blind]

Yeah, but he was just saying he wanted to kill Tanzo, Haku did almost kill Sasuke, as well as Kabuto and obviously Oro. The only reason he seeks to kill always revolves around saving Sasuke.

[B0ukun]

This series is Sooo queermosexual, because you're right. When does Naruto fight for these girls he likes so much.

[mandelak]

Actually what he said was that Naruto was too impatient, and he knows that through Kyuubi he'll achieve his goals the fastest. But then he goes on to question him about whether or not he wanted to achieve those goals with his own powers or not, that's when Naruto agreed not to rely on Kyuubi's power any longer.

oh ok i knew it was something to do with that, but like i said he basically allows kyuubi to take over. so i wasnt really wrong i just didnt word it as cool as you did


naruto killed the itachi clone that was 30%

[Valleyman]

Naruto is not one to kill? Pain is a walking dead man as it is. When he gets strong enough I see him owning Pain hardcore.

[mandelak]

yeah pein is definitely dead men walking. after naruto is done with him, he may be unrecognizable

[blind]

Naruto is not one to kill? Pain is a walking dead man as it is. When he gets strong enough I see him owning Pain hardcore.

Actually I was talking about the hypothetical situation which involving him meeting Madara nd him telling him his story.

But yes, Pein's definitely going to die. Thistle said it best, "Pein's destined to die after killing Jiraiya."

[B0ukun]

naruto killed the itachi clone that was 30%

Hey Blind, this proves my point, Naruto will kill people. He's done it once already since that clone was created through a kinjutsu that gives another person someones apperance and allows the cloned person to act through the clone. He didn't know it wasn't itachi but naruto definately killed him.

[blind]

Hey Blind, this proves my point, Naruto will kill people. He's done it once already since that clone was created through a kinjutsu that gives another person someones apperance and allows the cloned person to act through the clone. He didn't know it wasn't itachi but naruto definately killed him.

Yeah, but like I said before:

Yeah, but he was just saying he wanted to kill Tanzo, Haku did almost kill Sasuke, as well as Kabuto and obviously Oro. The only reason he seeks to kill always revolves around saving Sasuke.

He's seen what Itachi had done to Sasuke (Pre time skip), it still had something to do with Sasuke.

[B0ukun]

yuck, I think you're in league with Sasuke and attempting to prove the uselessness of Naruto. :D

[blind]

yuck, I think you're in league with Sasuke and attempting to prove the uselessness of Naruto. :D

lol don't get me wrong, I'm definitely for Naruto more than anything, who doesn't like cheering for the underdog? It's jst that it's true. Naruto never "kills" anyone unless the person has done something to Sasuke, which makes sense because he wants to bring him back so badly, he'll get rid of anyone in the way. Anyone else, he will not kill.

[B0ukun]

Thats true, I wish he would just merc a few people for GP. He's not gonna be a really good ninja if Sasuke has to be on the line for him to kill. What happens if he's sent on an assasination mission, Sasuke has to go to the site and tie himself up?

[winchester20]

I don't think it's so much that Sasuke's life/well-being has to be on the line for Naruto to get to the point of killing. I mean, he used FRS on Kakazu fully intending to kill him, and I don't recall there being anything about Sasuke in that fight, though I could be wrong. I think it's simply a matter of Naruto's character, in that he doesn't kill unless he absolutely has to. Remember what Iruka said to Naruto at the 3rd's funeral. I think Naruto understands the complete repurcussions of killing someone, and that keeps him from just goin hog-wild on any bad guy that crosses his path.

[blind]

Good point, but that also kind of about Sasuke, since throughout the entire training of FRS, Kakashi stated that his motivation is mainly Sasuke. Also, during the battle he mentioned that he needs to cross the bridge to get to Sasuke's level, which he'll have achieved by landing his new technique. So in a way, it's still got to do with Sasuke.

[winchester20]

You're right about the training for FRS, but didn't Naruto say he wanted to finish Kakazu because Kakashi had told him that he believed Naruto was the only one who could surpass the Yondaime, and Naruto wanted another chance to take out Kakazu after his