[Character] Uzumaki Naruto

[DonEmu]

Henge is a genjutsu genius, so it is pointless.You just look like the object but you arent. only combination henge is an actual transformation. He would just look like the object but be unable to do shit. Why do you think people do just henge into giants...

[mandelak]

i wasnt talking about gama, but use the frogs in general... i dont like the idea of gama either. when jiraiya was fighting itachi and kisame in the frogs stomach, he summoned a slightly smaller frog to block the attack directed at naruto. Summons like that, which dont take up so much chakra as gama. not like i want him to circle around the frogs like j-man, but just use them.

but why should he do that when he obviously doesnt need to. why use chakra doing something extra when he can do it by himself. if he was in a situation where he had to summon even a little frog to block an attack coz there was no way he can then im sure he would, but recently he never had to.

[bobis101]

you are taking it too literally. not only to "block" attacks, just use frogs in general. i am only getting at the fact that naruto should use his available jutsu because it will help him. and i disagree w/ the fact that summoning a frog is usless: in battle, having somebody to fight with is generally helpful. and summons are a lot tougher than a kb; they'll take alot more wear and tear.

[mandelak]

i never said they are useless. u probably dont get what im saying. why bother with summons when his KB and rasengan seem to be enough to use against ppl he's battled. he doesnt need to use other jutsu just yet. in the future he will use other skills and summons but he has really needed to or felt that he has to.

the toads are far from useless, but he doesnt need to use them. he will ue them when he probably feels he HAS to use it

[bobis101]

and im saying use them when he has to. above: your exact words were "but why should he do that when he obviously doesnt need to". this implies to me that there is no need for them, and they are therefor useless. and my original argument was that seeing naruto use a summon would be awesome. and nothing is ever useless in battle.

[hotnikkelz]

Henge is a genjutsu genius, so it is pointless.You just look like the object but you arent. only combination henge is an actual transformation. He would just look like the object but be unable to do shit. Why do you think people do just henge into giants...

what's your point?
It's the look that really matters to me not the functionality. The deception possibilities are endless. Reference the zabuza fight to see what i mean and that was very basic considering what he should be able to do.

[DonEmu]

To what else? The size he can henge into is limited since he cant create something that has a completely different mass, like a kunai. Also against S-rank opponents such a basic jutsu is pointless. A sharingan and byakugan would see right through it, not to mention any self respecting ninja capable of blocking such a low lvl genjutsu( henge is e-rank). Zabuza is an embarrassment for falling for it, but then again, its not every fight that they have an opponent who is unable to move due to the fact he is holding an opponent in a water prison so thus not fully concentrating on the situation around him.

Combination henge would be a smarter jutsu to use with one of the frogs but even then just using jutsu out of context is a waste of chakra.

[hotnikkelz]

To what else? The size he can henge into is limited since he cant create something that has a completely different mass, like a kunai. Also against S-rank opponents such a basic jutsu is pointless. A sharingan and byakugan would see right through it, not to mention any self respecting ninja capable of blocking such a low lvl genjutsu( henge is e-rank). Zabuza is an embarrassment for falling for it, but then again, its not every fight that they have an opponent who is unable to move due to the fact he is holding an opponent in a water prison so thus not fully concentrating on the situation around him.

Combination henge would be a smarter jutsu to use with one of the frogs but even then just using jutsu out of context is a waste of chakra.

Not sure where you're getting this info. You and I have no knowledge to the extent at which he can henge any clone. A large shuriken is way different in mass than his body for eg. What evidence do you have?

There are very few people who have sharingan, byakugan he may never even have to face. Against everyone else what would you say?

Block? a low level genjutsu? dude you can't block henge. Naruto isn't even a genjutsu type, and i don't know why you keep saying henge is strictly genjutsu, it's more than just that. Enma henge to diamond pole, gamabunta henge to 9 tail, naruto henge to large shuriken vs Kakashi. This is not something you can just block.

Also reread chapter 246 the training fight with kakashi. It's clear that his henge clone (large shuriken) was material enough for him to attack with it. I say this because then he would've done it for nothing. Why would he do it there? It may be just for deception but it doesn't seem so to me when i checked it out.

[DonEmu]

Enma didnt use Henge no jutsu, Enma has the ability to transform into a pole, Dont assume every metamorphisis is henge just because you are miss informed.

Gamabunta used combination henge with Naruto which is an actual physical tranformation. Enma transformed into a pole with is his ability, even in the legends he could transform. there is no were this is mentioned as henge.

Henge is an e-rank genjutsu taught at the academy, its in the damn databooks.

It lets you assume the appearance of an object without actually causing you to physically change into the object. If it was an actual physical change, he could just transform into kakashi and have his physical strength, or Kakazu and have his multiple hearts.

[hotnikkelz]

Enma didnt use Henge no jutsu, Enma has the ability to transform into a pole, Dont assume every metamorphisis is henge just because you are miss informed.

Gamabunta used combination henge with Naruto which is an actual physical tranformation. Enma transformed into a pole with is his ability, even in the legends he could transform. there is no were this is mentioned as henge.

Henge is an e-rank genjutsu taught at the academy, its in the damn databooks.

It lets you assume the appearance of an object without actually causing you to physically change into the object. If it was an actual physical change, he could just transform into kakashi and have his physical strength, or Kakazu and have his multiple hearts.

Ok i see what you mean about those two that i mentioned.

Which data books? I don't recall ti being mentioned in the manga, not that it matters...wikipedia probably says so. Either way, kiwarimi is low level as well, is it a weak jutsu? Don't judge a jutsu's usefull based on it's rank. Naruto can stretch the extent of that 'weak' jutsu based on his ability to do any number of kage bunshin he wants. This applies to him only.

The rest of my post is valid though except for the examples i posted that you corrected. I'm yet to see anyone block henge, and did you check 246? against non dojoutsu how do you counter?
These are the reasons why i say it's not just as simple/regular as other low level genjutsu.

[DonEmu]

Do you even know the mechanics of Kiwimari? That is also a genjutsu...

And a Databook is a book written seperate from the Manga, published by Kishimoto that explains somethings into detail, including jutsu that have been shown in the manga and character profiles.

Henge is easy to beat, the only issue is people dont notice they are under henge since its so basic but in the heat of battle in a one on one situation, i think i would notice if one minute there are ten naruto, and the other there are 9 naruto and one bear walking around.

[hotnikkelz]

You're missing my point.

You say it's a low rank genjutsu and useless vs good shinobi, case in point henge. The mechanics are irrelevant. I pointed out an example a of a LOW LEVEL jutsu that has been useful in so many battles so being rank E doesn't matter. It is extremely useful when used properly. I also stated that henge would be even MORE useful for Naruto since he can use kage bunshin to that extent.

I haven't been fortunate to read the databook or whatever, but it doesn't matter for what i'm talking about, i've already accepted what you said about it being a low level genjutsu. What i don't accept is that you claim that it's easy to counter by just blocking it like you would other low level illusions. Time and time again i've seen kiwirami used, never blocked. Have seen henge used never blocked. That is my point.

There is a difference between using henge like an idiot and obvious like the example you just mentioned. If you're a good shinobi, you can use your intelligence and use it where it's not obvious. YOU claim it's useless and only combination henge is useful because you change physical appearnace. YOU also claim that you can't change the shape and mass of the henge clone, i argued that i've seen naruto henge to a large shuriken which is obviously of minor weight compared to him and is oddly shaped, so we have no knowledge of the extent of the henge capabilities. You calim sharingan and Byakugan can see through it easily, i've accepted taht and stated taht we will rarely face dojoutsu users. You've simply brushed passed all my valid arguments against yours, and pinpointed the inadequacies in my posts and corrected me, then you beat the genjutsu horse.
If you can't answer my questions or don't want to, so be it.

[DonEmu]

You are saying absolutely nothing and attempting to make it sound like you are saying something. Give one instance, one scenario in which henge can be used in the way you say it can. I am beating the inadequacies in your posts because you arent adding anything valid other than.

Henge can be used really cool. How can it be used?
I have nothing against genjutsu, but a jutsu is not only ranked according to difficulty but according to effectiveness and power.

[hotnikkelz]

Man, I already stated in chapter 246 with naruto vs kakashi, and there's the Zabuza fight. How much more do you need man?

edit: in fact nevermind.

[KageNaruto]

Yeah, when one of the kage bunshin became a Fuuma Shuriken it was awsome. I actually wish he would do it more, throw one of those things, when it misses it untransforms and throws kunai from behind, or something of that matter. Wonder if you can double henge, like a clone transforms into a kunai, another clone puts it into its pocket and also transforms. Some insane combos could come out of that

Also more proof for Naruto's taijutsu being great. He got a kunai to Kakashi's back in the exchange they had. His clone style of fighting really is effective and great, no matter how many people bash his tai skills.

[hotnikkelz]

Yeah, when one of the kage bunshin became a Fuuma Shuriken it was awsome. I actually wish he would do it more, throw one of those things, when it misses it untransforms and throws kunai from behind, or something of that matter. Wonder if you can double henge, like a clone transforms into a kunai, another clone puts it into its pocket and also transforms. Some insane combos could come out of that

Also more proof for Naruto's taijutsu being great. He got a kunai to Kakashi's back in the exchange they had. His clone style of fighting really is effective and great, no matter how many people bash his tai skills.


THAT'S EXACTLY what i've been saying. He has SOOOO many options to use henge!! assuming he can henge more than one clone simultaneously. His taijutsu would drastically improve and very tricky especially if he changes to motionless items on the battlefield for eg a leaf on the ground, or some rock or some shit.

[snak4eva]

Jiraya used Henge for the two rain ninjas. remember when he transformed into a bearded guy at the bar inside his toad mouth

[HardinS]

THAT'S EXACTLY what i've been saying. He has SOOOO many options to use henge!! assuming he can henge more than one clone simultaneously. His taijutsu would drastically improve and very tricky especially if he changes to motionless items on the battlefield for eg a leaf on the ground, or some rock or some shit.

I thought the use of the clones only gave him information/experience not improved him physically. Am I wrong?

[Akuma]

I thought the use of the clones only gave him information/experience not improved him physically. Am I wrong?

Well it has never been specified if physical work is transferred back to the original body. So no one can be right or wrong at this point. the only reason I don't think is is because whenever one of the Kage Bunshins gets impaled or badly hurt some other way, it doesn't transfer back. But maybe it is different with training, I dunno. But that doesn't mean his Taijutsu wouldn't improve from just practicing it with Kage Bunshins.

[HardinS]

Well it has never been specified if physical work is transferred back to the original body. So no one can be right or wrong at this point. the only reason I don't think is is because whenever one of the Kage Bunshins gets impaled or badly hurt some other way, it doesn't transfer back. But maybe it is different with training, I dunno. But that doesn't mean his Taijutsu wouldn't improve from just practicing it with Kage Bunshins.

Yea but how would it improve? Would get faster or stronger? I can see him getting body control and learning more about his chakra control but I can't see anything else.

[DonEmu]

Kakashi did say once that some damage is transfered back to the user when the bunshin is dispelled. Didnt he say that when he replaced himself with one of Naruto's bunshins during their first bell test?

Also bunshin training can improve taijutsu because you would gain the experience. Your body doesnt need to physically improve, just your knowledge and reaction to move which would improve only with mental practice. A thousand bunshin practicing a move would ingrain the steps into his memory even if he doesnt physically change greatly. As long as his normal body is already capable of performing the technique its effective.

[HardinS]

Kakashi did say once that some damage is transfered back to the user when the bunshin is dispelled. Didnt he say that when he replaced himself with one of Naruto's bunshins during their first bell test?

Also bunshin training can improve taijutsu because you would gain the experience. Your body doesnt need to physically improve, just your knowledge and reaction to move which would improve only with mental practice. A thousand bunshin practicing a move would ingrain the steps into his memory even if he doesnt physically change greatly. As long as his normal body is already capable of performing the technique its effective.

Good points. Don't forget what Lee told Sasuke what good is it to see the attack is coming if you can't evade it. So I believe he would need to do some speed training. He can become knowledgeable about all taijutsu all that does is makes him a Professor of Taijutsu. I can't see his fighting skill improving to a level of Sasuke or Lee for that matter if he doesn't do actually speed training.

PS I just saw your Sig thread for the first time. Man your really good. Nice wallpaper too.

[{*Uchiha~Madara*}]

Kakashi did say once that some damage is transfered back to the user when the bunshin is dispelled. Didnt he say that when he replaced himself with one of Naruto's bunshins during their first bell test?

Also bunshin training can improve taijutsu because you would gain the experience. Your body doesnt need to physically improve, just your knowledge and reaction to move which would improve only with mental practice. A thousand bunshin practicing a move would ingrain the steps into his memory even if he doesnt physically change greatly. As long as his normal body is already capable of performing the technique its effective.

Yeah, I agree with HardinS. I don't think knowledge is the only thing you need. Without the speed, Naruto wouldn't be able to combat Lee or Sasuke. In addition, there are techniques associated with taijutsu as well (i.e. leaf whirlwind, primary lotus) so Naruto would still be a disadvantage.

[y.o.]

Well I agree, but I dont think they can keep that speed up constantly, Lee can but I dont understand how he can even see moving that fast! But Naruto can combat him w/ weights off, using his buushins to make openings, if hes attacking one (which he has to do, attack one at a time) The others can attack and hit his openings!

Sasuke on the other hand has that speed in spurts which is just as deadly, and he has the ability to take out alot of buushins at once w/ his fire jutsu! Also His speed coupled w/ his sharingan will be the biggest problem, naruto at his taijutsu level wont land a hit on sasuke!

[{*Uchiha~Madara*}]

But look what happened when he fought Kimi. I guess you can argue that he was younger then, but Naruto lost badly and Lee banged with Kimi and that was a good fight. And Lee was injured during that fight so you can imagine how he would have been at 100 percent. I dont see Naruto beating Lee any time soon in a taijutsu match.

[KageNaruto]

Kakashi did say once that some damage is transfered back to the user when the bunshin is dispelled. Didnt he say that when he replaced himself with one of Naruto's bunshins during their first bell test?


No, I don't think he did...

Also if Naruto was slow, he wouldn't be able to get within striking range of Kakuzu twice, get a kunai to Kakashi's back, or parry Chiyo so suddenly.

[Arty]

Actually , i think its quite obvious Naruto is VERY fast <.<

Note his fight with Sasuke - He was so much faster than lee without his weights.

[hotnikkelz]

Kakashi did say once that some damage is transfered back to the user when the bunshin is dispelled. Didnt he say that when he replaced himself with one of Naruto's bunshins during their first bell test?[/QUOTE=DonEmu;499908]

eh? i don't remember this at all.

Naruto is blazing fast with kyuubi chakra.

His normal speed is good as it is imo he gets to where he wants when he wants and his reaction time is excellent.

[gundam_akira]

But look what happened when he fought Kimi. I guess you can argue that he was younger then, but Naruto lost badly and Lee banged with Kimi and that was a good fight. And Lee was injured during that fight so you can imagine how he would have been at 100 percent. I dont see Naruto beating Lee any time soon in a taijutsu match.

Sure, Naruto willbe doing himself a big favour by improving his taijutsu but the whole point in a real combat is exploiting your enemies' weakness and fully make use of your strong points ... to win.

So, why expect Naruto to purposely take Lee on a taijutsu match? You miss the very point what if Lee challenge Naruto in a ninjatsu match... Lee will be K.O in a minute.

Lee has asbolutely no ninjatsu and genjutsu (during pre-timeskip), yet he can still takes on a variety of opponents.

Naruto has super powerful ninjatsu and basic taijutsu. What he lacks in speed, he make up with kage bunshins though its not always the best solution. However, its not so bad until it becomes a handicap to Naruto. More of an area within Naruto's capabilities that he can improve on, unlike genjutsu ... I cannot imagine him ever improving on it.

[Sanitybreak]

Sure, Naruto willbe doing himself a big favour by improving his taijutsu but the whole point in a real combat is exploiting your enemies' weakness and fully make use of your strong points ... to win.

So, why expect Naruto to purposely take Lee on a taijutsu match? You miss the very point what if Lee challenge Naruto in a ninjatsu match... Lee will be K.O in a minute.

Lee has asbolutely no ninjatsu and genjutsu (during pre-timeskip), yet he can still takes on a variety of opponents.

Naruto has super powerful ninjatsu and basic taijutsu. What he lacks in speed, he make up with kage bunshins though its not always the best solution. However, its not so bad until it becomes a handicap to Naruto. More of an area within Naruto's capabilities that he can improve on, unlike genjutsu ... I cannot imagine him ever improving on it.


haven't you noticed all naruto's "ninjitsus" have a reliance on melee range and close combat?
he has no genjitsu, no range attacks

if he fights lee, he HAS to go into melee, no other choice.
however his speed is less relevent when he uses kage bunshins to even out the difference (100% attack speed x 2 = 200% attack speed, the more EFFECTIVe kage bunshins used in combat, the more this multiplier goes, with effective meaning bunshisn that actually gets a chance to attack)

for naruto to use any of his jitsus, be it FRS, just rasengan or even kage bunshins in an EFFECTIVE WAY, he would have to be skilled in taijitsu.

and incase you haven't noticed, lee isn't born knowing how to parry other people's attacks, nor was he born knowing how to throw a good punch. He got those from practicing

now imagine 1000 narutos going through lee's routine of practices everyday for 1 day, the amount of skills accumulated is at least equal to lee practicing for at least 100 days, (since the gaining of skills is not linear, it's not a good idea to think 1 day of practice after having already 1 day of practice to be equal to twice the amount of 1 day of practice). even without improving his speed or stamina, naruto would be more skilled at identifying movement, such as knowing how to dodge certain types of attack (upper cut, leg sweep, whatever)

[KageNaruto]

Who the hell is throwing around blatant accusations that Naruto is bad at taijutsu anyway?

It's obviously not true.

[Sanitybreak]

Who the hell is throwing around blatant accusations that Naruto is bad at taijutsu anyway?

It's obviously not true.

it's because kishi always shows naruto fighting someone above his level, in which his taijitsu looks useless since they are blocked and dodged easily

also naruto has a tendency to fall on his ass when he misses an attack or gets countered while rushing in, this seems to happen to almost no other characters in the anime, although i believe this is more for comical reasons than as an actual guage of naruto's taijitsu abilities

[KageNaruto]

it's because kishi always shows naruto fighting someone above his level, in which his taijitsu looks useless since they are blocked and dodged easily

also naruto has a tendency to fall on his ass when he misses an attack or gets countered while rushing in, this seems to happen to almost no other characters in the anime, although i believe this is more for comical reasons than as an actual guage of naruto's taijitsu abilities

When has he fallen on his ass?

Also, if the Kakashi fight at the beggining demonstrates anything, it's that he is not bad at taijutsu.

[MiMi_Chan]

Naruto isn't bad at taijutsu....where'd you get that impression >_>

He's not Lee or Sasuke but the fact that he has KB helps A LOT with his taijutsu. He doesn't have speed but if you're not able to deflect 1000 bushins then you're in for a world of hurt. Just the fact that he has enough chakra to constantly make bushins means the opponent has to constantly be on guard everywhere and have to kill all those bushins which could prove exhausting in the long run for regular shinobi. :thumb:

[Arty]

Maa Naruto is insanely good at taijutsu <.<

Just , Sasuke is soooo much better :'(

[AS The Leader]

Naruto's taijutsu is one of his best points in my opinion because he can't rely on many ninjustus, and we often see him use taijutsu rather than other types, I almost want to say in every battle he often wins thanks to his taijutsu it's just that fighting Lee or someone even better in it doesn't play to his favor...

[Death_{Kamikaze}]

Is Naruto actually a chuunin yet? If not then surely after his performance with rescuing Gaara from the Akatsuki and his match against Kakashi.
Tsunade would have promoted Naruto from a Genin because obviously he should no longer be the same rank as Konohamaru and deserves it...

[Benji_Shinobi]

Officially, Naruto and Sasuke still hold the Genin rank haha though Sasuke is an S-class missing nin so his rank as a Genin doesn't really matter lol.

Naruto hasn't been promoted for lack of time I guess. He keeps going in and out of the village to save someone and that doesn't require any rank. The only benefit you get from being a Chunin is higher ranking missions and Naruto doesn't have time for those right now so no big, he'll probably get his promotion towards the end if he's not already Hokage by then haha :D

[Death_{Kamikaze}]

If he was to get promoted to a chunin, I just wish he would wear the gear that Shikamaru and Kakashi wear because that would give Naruto a better style and look to him...

Though I deeply doubt Kishi would change his chavish tracksuit

[licentious1]

I know what Jiraiya's aim was in the timeskip.

During the timeskip Jiraiya taught Naruto how to bring forth and utilize his huge chakra/stamina pool. Jiraiya says in the Manga (Ep 92 pg 12) "you should focus on power before control." Against Neji and Gaara Naruto is able to tap into Kyuubi's chakra. After Jiraiya teaches Naruto Rasengan he defeats Kabuto. Some time later in the battle of the Valley of the End Naruto goes 1TK vs Sasuke. 2.5 yrs later he can go 3tk and still maintain some semblance of who he is and 4tk but loses himself. Naruto's growth was in raw power, but in an unconventional sense because of Kyuubi. Naruto had to constantly exert power in order to not let the Kyuubi chakra take over, hence Naruto's growth was overshadowed by Naruto's use of Kyuubi's power. This is evidenced in the manga when Kakashi and Yamato oversee Naruto's FRS training (Ep 315 pgs 10-11) Kakashi tells Naruto "you have at least twice as much Chakra as I do" and then thinks "and if Yamato keeps the nine-tails in check it could be 100 times more." Naruto was born with high chakra/stamina and Kyuubi forced it to be even stronger, Jiraiya forced Naruto to expand his Chakra pool. Without Jiraiya's training Naruto's chakra pool/stamina would have increased, but not the extent that it did under Jiraiya's training. Jiraiya taught Naruto how to bring forth his power in the time skip.

[DonEmu]

Officially, Naruto and Sasuke still hold the Genin rank haha though Sasuke is an S-class missing nin so his rank as a Genin doesn't really matter lol.

Naruto hasn't been promoted for lack of time I guess. He keeps going in and out of the village to save someone and that doesn't require any rank. The only benefit you get from being a Chunin is higher ranking missions and Naruto doesn't have time for those right now so no big, he'll probably get his promotion towards the end if he's not already Hokage by then haha :D

All the rescue missions Naruto has been doing are ranked higher than B at the least, they are all against S-Rank opponents, he is already being sent on insane ranked missions even though he is ranked a genin, obviously Tsunade doesnt give a rats about his rank...He is as strong as any chuunin...

[KageNaruto]

Except the fact that, you know, he surpassed Kakashi in terms of 1vs1 combat, which pretty much puts him at high jounin level.

[Arty]

Naruto is a pretty high-level ninja =/

Tobad he just sucks compaired to the other main characters --_--

[Csdabest]

lol Naruto the first Genin to be Hokage

[Hyuuga Tojara]

Many people hate Naruto, but I can't see why... okay, I admit I really hated him, when he was a kid. In my eyes, he was an annoying, self-obsessed hyper active jackass. Hell, I couldn't even stand the design and outfit of the character. But as the series went on, I began to like him more and more.
Since the start of part two, with every obstacle he overcomes he reminds me more of a truly old school character type, that many writers seem to have forgotten: The Son Goku. A kind hearted, humble warrior, with high goals, who yet doesn't take himself to seriously and still knows how to enjoy life. He isn't exactly one of the most complex type of person, but he isn't a one-dimensional superhero either, which makes him very easy to relate to.

[MiMi_Chan]

I guess the only you could really hate Naruto is because he's a stereotypical hero who believes in big dreams and converts bad hearted people to his side. A bit generic but then again, so are a lot of characters in the series.

Sasuke(revenge-bent fool willing to go to the dark side an forsake everything for his quest)
Itachi(calm and collected anti-hero which happens to kick butt)

A few examples off the top of my head. :biggrin1:

[i_feel_tiredsleepy]

He's the same typical shounen hero that has been around since Astro Boy, and he is most reminiscent of Goku from Dragonball because of the huge influence Toriyama has had on Kishi's work. He's actually practically the same as Goku: dead parents, a mysterious past, and a beast inside o.O.

All male shounen manga leads are pretty much the same >.>

[MiMi_Chan]

Well if you're aiming for a younger audience it's the generic thing to do. It's nice to have difference but there's a reason the style of that stereotype is still around, it works >_>

[letsrock0303]

I think you are underestimating the complexity that is Naruto though. Take the Goku vs Naruto example. Goku was raised by his grandpa. Naruto was alone and outcast all of his life until he Iruka sensei. Naruto has a much darker past then Goku did, but he still carries on and still has a good heart. He was shunned by everyone and looked down upon as a freak. He can understand people on a deep level and that is why he can befriend them so easily.

Naruto has had to deal with abandonment, rejection, rudeness, snideness, and people trying to hold him back his whole life. To me it colors his actions in a huge way. He is trying to keep this from happening to other people, and showing the world that people aren't what you immediately perceive them to be.

I have always loved Uzumaki Naruto and I always will. In some ways he is cliched but in other ways his character is pioneering. By all means he should be one of the bad guys. His story is usually that of a flashback you hear when they explain how an antagonist got to be the way they are. But instead they use him to show the power of perseverence

[Erotique]

Naruto is a pretty high-level ninja =/

Tobad he just sucks compaired to the other main characters --_--

Correction: His high level caliber is not illustrated as "COOL" as Sasuke. If Kishi decides to illustrate him just like Yondaime, then everyone will cream in their pants and all the Konoha gals will pretty much flock towards Naruto instead of Sasuke.

But then again, this is just my opinion... :p

[rock-the-lotus]

lol yeah i like the clumsy hardworking naruto. i wouldnt want to see naruto turn into some1 cool and collected durig battles. half the fun is watching him fight in his own way. getting pissed and clobbering the guy with insanely powerfull berserker jutsu. althou his character is changing a bit which i also like.

[just_rye81]

I really like Naruto more than Sasuke. With Naruto, the potential is endless and as the manga progresses, Naruto became more and more interesting coz we discover new things about him.

[mandelak]

yeah and sasuke was always known to be the way he is. if he wasnt as good as he is now i'd think kishi was going a bit crazy.

naruto is awesome as he is, he's growth is probably the most interesting because he wasnt always awesome unlike the sharingan dude

[Erotique]

I really like Naruto more than Sasuke. With Naruto, the potential is endless and as the manga progresses, Naruto became more and more interesting coz we discover new things about him.

His potential is endless that may be true; however, his brain has yet to caught up with his "potential" caliber for Naruto the main character is a dumbarse.

Either we like it or not, Kishi made him that way. Sure, he has the genes of his genius father: Yondaime; however, for a son of Konoha's genius, he has yet to live up to the brain caliber of his father. He probably got all the wrong genes from Kushina... I knew she was the bimbo at heart...

[hotnikkelz]

intelligence doesn't carry over in genes. A dumby can produce a genius and vice versa last time i checked lol

[Erotique]

intelligence doesn't carry over in genes. A dumby can produce a genius and vice versa last time i checked lol

Whatever the case, only thing that Naruto inherited from Yondaime was his hairstyle, and a monkey on his back (Kyuubi). It's a shame that he's not utilizing his talent to the fullest...

[zarptiza]

well, I can't agree that Naruto is not talented. Ha mastered rasengan in 10 days (can be wrong in number), shadow clones technique was mastered in one night, not mentioning FRS, that his genius father had not accomplished. :thumb: It's a bit awkward that he's so picky in obtaining knowledge... like, he should pay more attention to strategies of fight.

and he does not understand the women's heart :p (like Jman once said)...

[Drunken_Master_Rock_Lee]

Naruto's biggest strength has to be THE FART! Look at what it did to Kiba, that's a jutsu he should use more often.

[Mickz]

http://stenning.myminicity.com/ Like omg :p

[B0ukun]

well, I can't agree that Naruto is not talented. Ha mastered rasengan in 10 days (can be wrong in number), shadow clones technique was mastered in one night, not mentioning FRS, that his genius father had not accomplished. :thumb: It's a bit awkward that he's so picky in obtaining knowledge... like, he should pay more attention to strategies of fight.

and he does not understand the women's heart :p (like Jman once said)...

I agree, The problem is that no one ever took Naruto Seriously except Jman. Naruto is a character of the same caliber as Sasuke, he just has a light hearted attitude.

He's master Jutsu faster than anyone else. He used a half complete jutsu and defeated a man with one hit. He has become a bit wiser but then again, what can you really expect from a 15 yr old kid.

[MiMi_Chan]

Naruto & Jiraiya have similar personalities and look where Jiraiya ended >_>

Seriously, Naruto can achieve great things he just needs this "resolve" thing Kishi gives him :p

[Obito_The_ONE]

Naruto & Jiraiya have similar personalities and look where Jiraiya ended >_>

Seriously, Naruto can achieve great things he just needs this "resolve" thing Kishi gives him :p

Yeah They have similar personalities ^^ that's why I think that Naruto won't be Hokage.^^ He can't bring up the patience to sit behind his table and check thousands of documents^^ He will write books ^^

[Wannabe]

I doubt that. Naruto is going to achieve his goal in life just as Jiraiya did, dattebayo! Or, in other words, I don't think they're so similar that Naruto is going to uproot all of his beliefs in the future and become Ero-Sennin-tized. The only thing really similar about them is the situations they find themselves in: being "talentless" losers of their teams, being friends with people who betray them, getting the crap beat out of them by short-tempered and insanely violent women...et cetera.

[Obito_The_ONE]

The point with the books was in good fun... but Naruto is not the calm type... if it would come to some problems during a mission Naruto wouldn't send an other team as backup... he would go himself and help there.

[S.Haze]

do hokages even go on missions.

[Obito_The_ONE]

No that's the point

[dharq]

Ah, but given time, better control, better strategy, more KBs, and FTG, who says Naruto has to go himself?

I mean, as it stands now, all he needs is FTG, and he could just send clones to do anything he needed done anyway. ... mmmm... TKB + FTG + FRS goodness. If only his name was Sasuke instead of Naruto, he might have a chance at overpoweredness too.

[Wannabe]

The point with the books was in good fun... but Naruto is not the calm type... if it would come to some problems during a mission Naruto wouldn't send an other team as backup... he would go himself and help there.

Who says you have to be calm to be hokage? ;) If anything, Naruto can just create a million Kage Bunshin, get the paperwork done instantaneously, and then go do whatever he wants until it piles up again, in which he just has to repeat the process and the problem is solved once more.

And I don't really see Naruto sending himself as backup...unless there wasn't a team for backup or something. I'm sure there's a point when Naruto realizes he can't just do everything himself--he asks other people for help and advice when he needs it, he's done it several times. I'm sure he understands what's expected of him and what it means to be hokage.

He can be a bit of a loud, hyperactive knucklehead, but he's not scatterbrained. :P

[Obito_The_ONE]

Who says you have to be calm to be hokage? ;) If anything, Naruto can just create a million Kage Bunshin, get the paperwork done instantaneously, and then go do whatever he wants until it piles up again, in which he just has to repeat the process and the problem is solved once more.

And I don't really see Naruto sending himself as backup...unless there wasn't a team for backup or something. I'm sure there's a point when Naruto realizes he can't just do everything himself--he asks other people for help and advice when he needs it, he's done it several times. I'm sure he understands what's expected of him and what it means to be hokage.

He can be a bit of a loud, hyperactive knucklehead, but he's not scatterbrained. :P

Ok^^ You're totaly right ^^ the Kage Bunshin are definitely an advantage ^^

[dharq]

Not to mention, 1000 KB can each handle 1 piece of paperwork much more efficiently than any other hokage in history. ;)

Administratively, Naruto's got the hokage thing down easy, if he wants it.

[Wannabe]

Ha, ha. Yes... Naruto is darn lucky to have all that chakra. If I could use KB like him, I'd get away with so much...forget school, forget work, forget chores...forget all that nasty stuff (and still get the experience!). :D

[Obito_The_ONE]

Oh I would just lay down and sleep^^

[Wannabe]

Precisely. ^^

Oh, and I declare myself as a fan of Naruto! I wanna be added to the list. :D

[katon rasengan]

Well, I think that Naruto has an enormous potential... his Kage Bunshins! If he used them in training, he would be at hokage-level in no time. E.g.: Create 1000 kb's, and divide them into categories: taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu training. This means: 500 kb's training in taijutsu, the other 500 in ninjutsu (eg: "wind element blade", "wind element: grand windball technique"), and the real naruto trains with kakashi to nullify genjutsu.

If he does this every two days (one day to rest and build up his chakra supply), he will be an s-rank ninja in a few months, and he will be able to even beat sasuke!

Oh boy, I really hope for another timeskip so naruto can prepare to fight Pain:whoo:

[Erotique]

If I would have the ability like Naruto to create 1,000+ kagebunshins, I will completely dominate ALL THE CHINESE GOLD FARMERS WORKING FOR WORLD OF WARCRAFT...

-The End-

[dharq]

But see, here's the real power of the TKB... he doesn't ever have to choose between Sakura and Hinata. Just permanently separate into two clones, and everyone's happy in both fan camps.

[B0ukun]

I'd love the ability, though there's a problem with it. The KB's think for themselves. The one you send to school or work just might cancel the jutsu, then ur screw'd. The Sakura Hinata thing would be cool, until Sakura gets pissed and hits her's. Then it poof's. He'd better make sure he gets his before then.

[oipotty]

I think his secret jutsu is kyubbi resengan...

[Erotique]

I think his secret jutsu is kyubbi resengan...

No... You are completely off-tracked.

Knowing Kishi, it may probably have to do with Naruto's eyes... So I say:

















KYUBIGAN!~ :D

-The End-

[FerN]

You got there before me, read my post in Sharingan vs Buykugan vs Rin'negan :)

[Hustlinaire]

i was just watching the anime over from episode 1, and gamabunta or however you spell the big frog's name, was saying that the 4th also climbed on top of his head...i never knew that the 4th could summon frogs. so history really is repeating itself? im pretty sure sakura will be able to summon the snail/slug..but it seems like naruto is really following down his father's path..im pretty sure he will learn to use either his chakra or the kyuubi's chakra to learn body flicker or the teleportation technique the 4th used...naruto's future will be interesting

[Nosferatu]

i was just watching the anime over from episode 1, and gamabunta or however you spell the big frog's name, was saying that the 4th also climbed on top of his head...i never knew that the 4th could summon frogs. so history really is repeating itself? im pretty sure sakura will be able to summon the snail/slug..but it seems like naruto is really following down his father's path..im pretty sure he will learn to use either his chakra or the kyuubi's chakra to learn body flicker or the teleportation technique the 4th used...naruto's future will be interesting

I remember in the first episode the fourth summoning the death god from atop a huge frog? O.o

Naruto isnt the natural genius the fourth was and this, in my oppinion will cause him to turn out differently. I see him focusing on Kagebunshin, Rasengan and maybe the kyuubi chakra. I dont really expect to see much more from him other than improvement in those three techniques. It is this that causes alot of people to say naruto is weak - his lack of flashy moves. -_-

[blind]

I agree, but its completely misleading, just because you have only three moves doesn't make you weak, just a bit predictable thats all :D

However, I do see him working on another jutsu or two, just to add some variety

[Nosferatu]

Anyone who can take out an akatsuki member in one blow definately isnt weak even though he might in someone's oppinion look like it :thumb:

I seen someone else mention it in another part of the forum and i quite liked it:

What if he improved his bunshins to a high level?...becoming more durable etc.

i just hope he doesnt become the almighty main character like so many series/animes/mangas tend to do :S

[blind]

I agree, but adding that 1-2 justus will make him that much more versatile, his style is fine the way it is imo :D

[MiMi_Chan]

Agreed, Naruto rocks ^^. And I like that despite being the main, he isn't the most uber pwnzor character in the series.

He just needs a bit more versatility in his arsenal & fighting style and he'll be great ^^

[blind]

Yeah! And I do agree with the strengthening the clone point, but as long has he learns to use his clones more efficiently, it might not matter how durable the clone is :D

[Nosferatu]

When jiraiya left the message with the toad it made me think...its unlikely but meh

Seeing as how each of Team kakashi has been trained by a sannin maybe now that jiraiya is dead the toads will offer to take his place? (unless im mistaken they were the ones who trained jiraiya). IMO it would be pretty awesome to see naruto turn out like jiraiya if not the fourth

[blind]

I'm not sure if the toads actually trained Jman, however the big toad did tell Jman his prophecy, not sure if that counts as training :D

It would be nice for the student to follow in the footstep of his sensei/father :D

[FerN]

Naruto is the child of the prophecy. And the toads told Jman of this prophecy, I think that they might still have there part to play in Naruto

[the bane]

i agree.....maybe naruto will train with the toads

[MiMi_Chan]

I thought Jiraiya was the prophecized child who would gain the power of the toads(not the one who'd save/destroy the world but the other one).

Not that I'd mind Naruto using toads more but I don't want him to become Jiraiya jr either. Yondaime had some latent toad powers from his teacher but as far as we know, it wasn't the bulk of his style.

[FerN]

Naruto is the one who would save/destroy the world, Jman said it right before he died

[MiMi_Chan]

I know that, I meant that the toads prophecized a young boy who would come to Toad mountain and that the elder toad would grant him the power of the toads, that was Jiraiya, not Naruto I believe. Mind you, if Naruto does go to toad mountain, the prophecy might apply to him >_>

But my point was that I hope training with the toads won't turn him into Jiraiya #2. Jiraiya and Naruto should both stay unique as shinobis. ^^

[FerN]

Oh! No, I dont think he is going to train with the toads although kishi said that it might happen. I just think that they will tell him something

[mandelak]

i like them being similar in their pervertedness lol, but naruto using hermit mode ummmmmmm NO. it wouldn't suite him. he should learn to use the toads in a different way, a way to suite his fighting style.

[MiMi_Chan]

Considering Sasuke's using a copy/paste version of all of Oro's jutsus, I hope Naruto doesn't do the same if he does learn some more toad tricks.

And Fern, yes the toads will tell him something considering Pa Toad went back to toad mountain with those numbers on his back which have a revelation about Pain's identity and maybe some mechanisms of Rin'negan.

[FerN]

Or I dont know, Jman was the toad sage, Naruto might be the toad king

[Erotique]

Naruto is the child of the prophecy. And the toads told Jman of this prophecy, I think that they might still have there part to play in Naruto

Naruto is Neo, and Sasuke is Trinity disguised in man's clothing...

And Kishi IS the architect of Matrix...

True Story...

[Hustlinaire]

im watching the older anime episodes, and when itachi and kisame first come to konoha, they speak of naruto like he is godly..kisame tells itachi he can probably fight evenly with naruto, but kisame says he cannot. itachi says naruto would kill both of them, or they would kill him but die along with him.. then they speak of the legendary Sannin that is watching over him...and they speak of Jman like Uchiha and Kisame are little boys trying to fight a man...are they speaking of the kyuubi within or naruto?

[MiMi_Chan]

I think they're referring to both Jiraiya and Kyuubi Naruto. I mean, they didn't want to openly face Jiraiya because they knew it would be dangerous. Kisame even said both their titles pales in comparison to his. :p

As for the Kyuubi, 4tk nearly killed Jiraiya and was moer thana match for oro so it's also a force to be feared.

Mind you even now, post-timeskip, Tobi was talking all big about naruto, tellig Pain to deb careful, that he had an uber jutsu and all that. So much that Konan had to reply that Pain never lost a battle to shut Tobi's concerns :D

[Hustlinaire]

naruto is the best character in the story period..even with sasuke because he has soooo much room for improvement. he has the clones, 9tails, and a big heart and desire to protect everyone and become hokage...he drive is greater than sasuke's because sasuke limited himself when he became an "avenger"..naruto still has a lot to learn about himself as well as kyuubi within.. i think kishi only shows favortism to sasuke is because sasuke needs all of these things to stay on par with naruto...that is the reality...the illusion is everyone boasting about how strong sasuke is and how many different "power ups" he gets...i think kishi did this on purpose..that is why i say naruto is the best...

[MiMi_Chan]

Indeed, Naruto's potential is the greatest in the series so far. His KB training can bring him so far in so little time so if he starts abusing that, he'll be godly in not time lol :biggrin1:

Even without KB training, his drive is perhaps the cheesiest but strongest drive there is lol :p

[Hustlinaire]

hehe...the cheesiest...it is...lol.. but yeah, i wanna see him do kb training and go with gai and lee to master their style of training as well as gai's technique on how to counter sharingan...then another set of clones can be training simultaneously with mastering the FRS..hehe while another set can be training on a different wind jutsu altogether..
oh! i forgot to add him learning body flicker or jutsu the 4th used for speed...as well as him getting physical speed and power like lee and gai..

[MiMi_Chan]

If each KB has Lee's taijutsu that would be too evil lol. That mean they wouldn't just poof when you hit them but they'd actually evade or block properly XD

Not to mention Naruto could potentially be really powerful. Considering the huge amount of chakra he has, if he doesn't split in too many KB, each KB could potentially perform high level jutsus such as Rasengan or some other jutsus he might learn. :D

[Hustlinaire]

wow...i didnt think of that...the more he makes, the more his chakra spilts...man...pictures 3 frs's flying at u

[MiMi_Chan]

Got the idea while watching Naruto Accel actually lol. one of Kakashi's specials is that he splits into 3 KB and each one performs an elemental jutsu: Goukakyuu, Suiryuudan and Some Earth thing I think.

Considering Naruto's vast chakra reserve he could potentially actually do that but maybe even on a larger scale :D

[Hustlinaire]

did they ever explain why naruto has so much chakra? my guess was that it was to withstand the destructive kyuubi chakra and to balance it out he would need something just as strong to counter it from damaging him..maybe thats what the yin yang thing is all about

[blind]

Yeah, Yamato said something like that. He said that his true power is in his ability to withstand Kyuubi's chakra, so perhaps like you said you need something of equal power to stand it...

[MiMi_Chan]

Well I remember Jiraiya saying Minato's seal naturally leaks Kyuubi's chakra and mixes it with Naruto's so I think that helped a bit.

But mind you I thin he was also born with an abnormally high chakra reserve, which explains his high stamina even when Kyuubi isn't a playing card. He might have some special property in his chakra as well. If I remember well, Yamato's Bijyuu sealing powers react with Shodai's charka so maybe Shodai's chakra had some special property which allowed him to control & suppress Bijyuus.

[Hustlinaire]

i think he was born with high chakra reserve too...he is the son of the 4th and we still dont know much about his mom...maybe the special property he has in his chakra is love itself...everyone he comes in contact with has a change of heart and when his loved ones are in trouble he always gets a surge...and the cliche is "love conquers all"..sooo...idk.

[Rhemi]

I'm so eager to learn more about Kushina it's not even funny. Like what exactly happened to her and if she died, was it from childbirth, was she killed, etc. And the Uzumaki background in general.

I do think that Naruto was born with somewhat higher chakra reserves than normal. Probably hereditary. And it would make the reason he was chosen to be the Kyuubi vessel make more sense, besides the fact that he was Minato's own son. It would have been awkward for Minato to run over to the Uchihas and say "I need to seal this thing into your kid and like hell I'm gonna use my own!" Or something. I'm not making much sense tonight.

And as for pulling out a random topic outta nowhere because I'm in a rambling mood... Naruto and his desire to be hokage. On another forum they were discussing it, and many seemed to think that Naruto wouldn't ever be up to snuff. It's blindingly obvious that he's not in the current timeframe, but further down the road, I can see it. It may take a few years, but it's not totally unthinkable. With the recent death of his sensei, I can see that being a serious wake-up call. While I don't think he will become this uber-serious powerhouse, I think that he will be a very respected ninja with a new air of maturity, all the while maintaining who he is. I think it's something Konoha needs.

[blind]

I agree with that. Its really obvious that he isn't Hokage material, but two things really stand out for me:

1) Naruto proclaiming he will become Hokage even if he has to do it with a jump from Genin. Who's the only one left in the rookie 9 that's still a Genin? Naruto. Will he be taking the chuunin exam? I think not, he's already past that point power wise, so there is no point for him to do so

2) Even Jiraiya and Tsunade has said (before Jman went off to fight Pein) that eventually there will be Naruto, perhaps meaning they trust in his ability to grow and become great.

[mandelak]

i think when kishi starts showing naruto again later on naruto will definitely be ready for hokage, i think he will get the position at around 17 yrs old. i think thats when all the bad stuff is gonna happen. when he is about 17

lol by bad stuff i mean the big war. i think they will stop looking for naruto and just continue plotting out with the biju they got. they will be really careful and attack in 2 yrs. i think they wont find naruto because he may be in the toad mountain training

[blind]

17 is a little young isn't it? I would think the perfect ending to the series would be Naruto becoming Hokage...but I don't see the series ending when he's only 17...

[mandelak]

nope the thrid hokage became hokage at a younger age. same as gaara he did become kazekage at a young age.

i would think minato was around 18 maybe

[blind]

Yeah, but I still think Naruto has to make it past Pein and Madara and perhaps other villians in the future before he has proven himself worth of the title of Hokage

[mandelak]

yeah thats why i think when he is 17 he will be able to take pein on after training(thats if he goes trains with the toads, im assuming) then he could be hokage after that fight. and then kabuchi be the first villain he takes on with his title of hokage

[the bane]

i dont think that naruto will become hokage at 15.he has to prove himself worthy of the title by beating akatsuki

[MiMi_Chan]

Well I would doubt Naruto would become Hokage any sooner than the end part of the series if not after that(if they decide not to even show it). That meaning he'll probably have defeated Pain, Madara, Kabuchimaru and maybe Danzou down the road.

I think it's perfectly feasible for Naruto to become Hokage. He's got the tools for it. With his new KB training, he can basically get up to par in a few weeks training >_> Not to mention he'd be Konoha's first Hokage who isn't a proclaimed genius. Ok we have no info on Shodai & Nidai but let's assume they were geniuses of their time since they could do great things ok? XD Don't spoil my kodak moment :p

[mandelak]

LOL

well i think the good thing about naruto being hokage is he can be in more than 1 place at a time. he can be at 1000 places at 1 time. so he is able to lend a hand to almost everyone in konoha and he can also be at many places to help fight off people that can attack different parts of the city.

[dharq]

Yeah, with time and training, Naruto's TKB could easily be the most useful for a hokage as Mandelak says. My fear at this point is that he won't get the time...

I just hope we get to see more of the bad ass Naruto that we got to see in chap 383, page 11... He finally looks controlled, serious, and like he can totally kick someone's tail. Woot!

[FerN]

When Naruto learns about the death of Jarayia he will reflect also grow up like Shikimaru did. I think that will be the turning point of the manga

[B0ukun]

Actually, looking at Naruto's character, he'll probably fly off the handle and go 5tk. Once he's finished hurting people he cares about, then he'll grow up.

[mandelak]

lol nuh i really doubt that would happen this time. i think he will accept it and be pissed off, but wont go ape shit. he will cry and want revenge but he will be smart from now on.

i also think it will be the turning point for naruto as a character. he will definitely grow after he finds out

[Rhemi]

I definently agree, I don't believe he'll totally go into a tailed state. He's already hurt someone he cares about by doing that, I don't think he's too eager to do it again. It should be a real turning point for him more than anything. No doubt he'll be seriously upset, but I think he will turn a "negative" into a "positive". He'll probably want to work even harder and make Jiraiya proud of him.

[Spirit-Sage]

When Naruto learns about the death of Jarayia he will reflect also grow up like Shikimaru did. I think that will be the turning point of the manga

Exactly, Naruto cares for Jiraiya more than we think, Jiraiya was his teacher for 2.5 years during the timeskip, upon hearing of Jiraiya's death(assuming he does soon), I believe he will grow a lot mentally, hopefully becoming more serious as his attitude is not very hokage-like right now. A hokage needs to be very calm and decisive in a very dangerous situation(like if konoha is attacked.ect)

[Wannabe]

nope the thrid hokage became hokage at a younger age. same as gaara he did become kazekage at a young age.

i would think minato was around 18 maybe

I think the third didn't become hokage until he was in his early thirties or something...o.O' There was a flashback of Shodai and Nidaime telling him that he would be hokage, but I think that was like Tsunade telling Orochimaru that Naruto would be hokage; it doesn't mean he gets the title on spot. xD

For Minato, from my calculations, I think it would be strange to say that he was younger than nineteen, but odd to say that he was older than twenty-four, which I mostly based on what we've seen of Jiraiya's aging and few other things.

I think Naruto might become hokage around eighteen or nineteen. :P

[MiMi_Chan]

It's kind of a shame that it takes the death of someone for people to grow up >_>. You'd hope Naruto would learn how to mature a bit since he keeps yelling at people how their hatred of life & stuff are childish and ridiculous things(ex: Neji, Gaara, Tsunade)

Naruto will become Hokage when he gains the proper means and maturity for it. Minato seems quite level headed and mature for his age which is a bit unlike Naruto at the moment :p

[Wannabe]

Either I'm rather brain-dead tonight, these conversations are meant to be confusing, or both.

How is Jiraiya's death going to bring more "maturity" into Naruto's life (at least as far as being a ninja goes)? So he gets a bit more serious (which it seems to me he's been doing since the FRS development)...does some training...makes plans to fight Akatsuki. It's not as if he wasn't going to do that without Ero-Sennin's death. At worst, this just gives him an opportunity to get really P.O.'d and fly off the handle, which would be a step BACKWARDS, in my opinion.

I don't really see him gaining that much out of this, except maybe info on the AL and newfound and/or even stronger respect for the bonds he shares with the people around him, as well as insight on what it feels like for other people to lose those close to them, which would aid his plight further, if you think about it. :] Honestly, I think this is more of the reason why Jman had to go, not because Kishi wants Naruto to get himself killed like Sasuke seems to want to do with himself (you know: train, train, train, train, fight Itachi, practically die).

[MiMi_Chan]

I honestly don't see him gaining that much from Jiraiya's death either. The only that might happen is the realization of the "death" factor in the shinobi profession. As it was said during the Zabuza arc I think, they aren't real shinobis since death wasn't really taught to them as it used to be in the Hidden Mist Village.

Other than that, IMO, the death of Jiraiya will just anger him and get him on a revenge trip like Sasuke >_>

[mandelak]

I think the third didn't become hokage until he was in his early thirties or something...o.O' There was a flashback of Shodai and Nidaime telling him that he would be hokage, but I think that was like Tsunade telling Orochimaru that Naruto would be hokage; it doesn't mean he gets the title on spot. xD

For Minato, from my calculations, I think it would be strange to say that he was younger than nineteen, but odd to say that he was older than twenty-four, which I mostly based on what we've seen of Jiraiya's aging and few other things.

I think Naruto might become hokage around eighteen or nineteen. :P

nuh i remember them saying something like from tomorrow you will be the hokage and he looked like he was around 13-15

[Wannabe]

I honestly don't see him gaining that much from Jiraiya's death either. The only that might happen is the realization of the "death" factor in the shinobi profession. As it was said during the Zabuza arc I think, they aren't real shinobis since death wasn't really taught to them as it used to be in the Hidden Mist Village.

Other than that, IMO, the death of Jiraiya will just anger him and get him on a revenge trip like Sasuke >_>

Yeah, I know. I really hope he doesn't fly off to train and plan to kill Akatsuki. That'd be Sasuke all over again and we're seeing how that's turning out...luckily Naruto doesn't seem to get too angry unless he actually sees the one who did the killing, so hopefully he'll realize this is what Sasuke has been going through and not follow in his friend's footsteps. :p

nuh i remember them saying something like from tomorrow you will be the hokage and he looked like he was around 13-15

Okay, I went and reread the chapter...it does have Nidaime saying in the third panel "from tomorrow on, you are..." and then it flips to a panel of old Sarutobi thinking "the hokage!" with a young Sarutobi in the first panel on the page and Shodai in the second; however, from my understanding, I find it impossible for Nidaime to be telling Sarutobi this in the same time frame as Shodai explaining what being hokage is.

You see, according to the databooks, the younger brother of the first (the second) only took over after the first died, which means, if Sarutobi was named hokage *before* the first died, the first's brother would have never been hokage in the first place and has no right telling Sarutobi that he will be hokage tomorrow, creating a sort of paradox. Of course, the first died shortly after the founding of Konoha, which would explain the panel of young Sarutobi that is above the panel of Shodai...but leaves the question of whether that same panel is also tied to the panel of Nidaime (or the same time frame).

Sooo...I dunno.... :/

[mandelak]

yeah it is weird true. according to the manga it has both of them telling him, so im not sure. a way it could have happened is first stepped down and gave it to nidame and then gave it to the third and then died not to long after.

still doesnt make sense

[Frog Hermit]

i think after naruto finds out about jiraiyas death he wont be naruto anymore, he should become serious anyways, everybody is lightyears ahead of him in tighter situations, even sakura could handle it against sasori, sasuke can hold his own against people like itachi, shikamaru help beat two akatsukis, sai is an anbu level, imo root is not inferior to anbu. even though naruto manages to pull it off at the end, guys like pein wont mess around from the beginning, like kakuzu and hidan. and this is gona lead to someone like kakashi, kiba or yamato taking the hit for naruto. that reminds me, something big was supp to happen with kakashi, maybe he becomes hokage. just a thought

[dharq]

I think Tsunade is actually the one that's gonna go apes*** over Jiraiya's death, she'll tell Naruto and go after Pein. Naruto is going to see her get hurt/killed by Pein and going to intervene in order to prevent her death. I think his growing up is going to be the fact that he finally acts to protect his friends at the expense of himself and succeeds at beating the bad guy(instead of acting rashly and having to be rescued himself).

[MiMi_Chan]

Considering Shika needed the death of Asuma to grow up, I think Kishi would be turning things a tad repetitive if Naruto just goes "oh death, I'll mature".

I won't disagree the element of death present near him will have an effect, but I think it won't necessarily be the positive one everyone thinks.

Look at it this way, Sasuke's trauma with the death of his family did turn him depressed at first but he did turn all serious and gloomy after. Look at him now >_>

I feel Naruto will try and learn form what he's seen with Sasuke and not follow the same path of revenge. Surely fighting Pain is going to come but he's not going to throw everything behind to gain power & fight Pain like Sasuke did for Itachi.

[the bane]

i agree with you. a mature naruto will be stupid.I do feel that naruto will not try to use the same path as sasuke did. but in a fit of anger he may lose control over the nine tails and will go nuts and attack pein

[dharq]

i agree with you. a mature naruto will be stupid.I do feel that naruto will not try to use the same path as sasuke did. but in a fit of anger he may lose control over the nine tails and will go nuts and attack pein


I still disagree with the Naruto going nuts theory... I don't think he's that unaware of the danger that the 9-tails presents now, and especially after hurting Sakura, I don't think he'll let himself lose control of that power.

Considering Shika needed the death of Asuma to grow up, I think Kishi would be turning things a tad repetitive if Naruto just goes "oh death, I'll mature".


I don't disagree with you Mimi--it would be repetitive. But Kishi isn't exactly on the edge of innovation with most of his concepts in Naruto. I don't know that Tsunade will necessarily die, and I don't think Jiraiya's death is going to be the push that drives him to mature... Rather, I think it will be danger of losing Tsunade as well as Jiraiya to Pein that will force him to mature and take charge.

Sakura still needs to grow up as well, but I think that time is fast approaching once Sasuke beats Itachi and still refuses to get out of his hellbent on revenge mindset. Tsunade being in danger after losing her love would also help Sakura realize that she needs to grow up and take care of Naruto and realize her feelings for him are more than friendship... I mean, even Yamato noticed it.

So I think Jiraiya's death is ultimately going to cause them all to grow up, but not necessarily in the same way that Asuma's death and the decimation of Sasuke's clan did.

And I still say Naruto just needs to find a way to make a perma-KB... that way he can be with Hinata and Sakura and totally avoid that perilous no-win choice. ;)

[hotnikkelz]

Naruto will grow cuz he'll finally be aware that this shinobi thing isn't a game. He'll grow emotionally...he'll be serious. That's what i think. Everything isn't peachy and peaceful.

[B0ukun]

Actually I think Naruto is exactly what a sixteen year old boy should be. He's mature about things that he should be mature about, his passion to be a ninja. He never hesitates to train and is willing to take the nessecary risks to improve himself.

His speach to his team before defeating Kakazu was a very mature statment. I don't think Naruto should act like an old man if thats whats being alluded to. I mean do we really think Sasuke is mature.

"I'm going to spend two years with a man who wants my body in more ways than one, so I can kill my brother."

Sakura's mature? She's got a habit of hitting anyone who disagree's with her.

Is Kakashi Mature, he reads smut novels on the roof and shoves his fingers in the ass of a little kid.

And Minato, was he mature? He wanted his son to act like the idiot hero of his perverted teachers novel.

Actually when it comes down to the come down, Naruto has shown more maturity than half the cast. Even to the point of being the first to face his fear of death and develop a plan to free his sensi from Zabuza's water prison. He showed determination to overcome what could be considered a 100% wall in defeating Neji, then topped that when he beat Garaa and saved the village from destruction. With all that he's still the most underrated shinobi in his village and he hasn't snapped yet. That shows humility that most if not anybody of that age should have. He doesn't even brag about his exceedingly great achevments. He didn't rub it in Sasuke's face that he proved himself to be the better shinobi in a pinch. What more can you ask of the the boy?

I think we're expecting him to have the attitude of a 40 yr old man, which in this manga isn't much different than he has now.

[MiMi_Chan]

I think people are misinterpreting "mature". I mean, Jiraiya wasn't really mature in general but when it came to serious things he was. Naruto isn't really that different. He goofs off when the situation doesn't require seriousness but in battle or when facing situations, he's mature & serious.

Experiencing death will add another dimension to his life but IMO, it won't suddenly give him a boost in maturity by thinking "life isn't peachy and perfect". I think after facing the tormented souls of Gaara, Neji, Tsunade and Sasuke he realized how messed up life and death can make you. Sure he hasn't witnessed it first-hand but he is aware of it. I don't know where you guys think Naruto is naive enough to think life is nice and peachy. He has spent half his life alone and in the hole, life wasn't peachy for him then... >_>

Where was the proverb "it's better to have love and lost than never at all" so I'd say Naruto's early life is pretty darn bad going by that definition :p

[Spirit-Sage]

Hmm...well I suppose he won't go SUPA mature from Jiraiyas death pronto, but I do believe it will cause him to mentally grow to some extent. If Kishi plans on having Naruto end up as hokage, he HAS to act different than he is now. A hokage has to be able to make tough decisions as was seen through sarutobi's sacrifice ect.

Oh yeah and in earlier pages, just a reminder, Kishi is not beyond repetitiveness as can be seen recently [Make Sasuke stronger--->make sharingan stronger---->make sasuke stronger---->make sharingan stronger---->
i could do this all day--->]

[Rhemi]

I suppose "maturity" is the wrong word to use. I never EVER want him to change his personality, because that's what's made him my number one favorite character for years. "Mature enough" would be a better way to phrase it. What I mean is mature enough to handle the responsiblity that comes with being Hokage. Becoming more mature doesn't mean changing who you are as a person. It's how well you react to overwhelming or important situations. At the moment he has the tendency to act a bit irrationally (which is expected, he's 15), but it's obvious he is learning more self-control.

Everyone has a different definition of maturity. My definition of it does not mean you just sit around with a blank expression on your face and totally avoid anything fun whatsoever. If you can act like a total dork and a goofball but can keep a relatively level head when the time calls for it, that's maturity to me. And that's what I think he'll become. He'll always be himself, but will grow to be more responsible. Responsibility is a better word for it than maturity.

[oipotty]

i'm glad he changed... because he changed, we can see him as what he is now, a powerful, almost S-class shinobi

[blind]

Well, you can still be a goofy, powerful, almost S-class shinobi...:D

I don't want him to change either, his personality is what makes his style great :D

[MiMi_Chan]

What you people seem to refer to is experience, not necessarily maturity. The experience and wisdom to make the right decisions in the right moments.

Granted Naruto is by nature brash, but he's been getting a lot better. I mean, we've seen maybe 3-4 battle instances with him post-timeskip and most of those involved Sasuke or touchy subjects to Naruto so him kind of getting mad/brash is to be expected of someone his age. I don't think he's still as brash as he was pre-timeskip.

He just looks like he's rushing in because that's the style of fighting he has but that's not his character. We saw in certain instances where he was mature, level headed and capable of making useful and good decisions. I mean, he snuck up well against Kakuzu and Tobi(ok it didn't work but the strategy was good). His use of KB in the woods was the right move, his attack on Itachi when they met with KB was a wise decision as well.

I won't deny death does accelerate the maturing process for some people but it can also completely have the opposite effect on others. It can turn someone very bitter or depressed. The other outcome is basically a maturing of character but not necessarily a gaining of wisdom. Do you know how many villains in series are born from the death of someone close to them? :p

[mandelak]

ummm tobi/madara is supposed to be one of the strongest in the narutoverse and he is real mature isnt he. imo he is a lot worse than naruto was pre-timeskip. naruto's personality doesnt need to change at all. thats who he is and if he changed to be more serious like sasuke it wouldn't suit him.

[Hustlinaire]

well you can be "mature" and still have a goofy personality..the death of Jman will most likely become a reality check for Naruto and push him to get revenge yes, but not be consumed by it like Sasuke. He will not become an "avenger" because he still cares for his other comrades...But my question to a lot of people on the forum is this...
Why DONT you wanna see Naruto "mature"? there are a lot of people who complain that Kishi does not show Naruto's true capabilities and/or complain that Naruto lacks this or that...But in the same breath, do not want Naruto to change in his "maturity". it doesnt really mean "personality" will change, only his views on reality...when someone close to me dies, I tend to look at life without the curtains of illusion pulled over my eyes and get a serious reality check..why can't Naruto have the same? we see Sasuke and others get more "mature" and personalities don't necessarily change. we've seen godly things happen in this "ninja" world...but why do we hinder Naruto's progress but boast about everyone else's? Why do we put limits on what Naruto can and can't have? I WANT to see him so-called "mature".. His personality won't change

[dharq]

I think the maturity thing boils down to one thing, dependence... Naruto needs to rely truly on his power, and not the power of others, including kyuubi.

Up until now, Naruto has acted pretty rashly when faced with serious problems, and he's always relied on his teammates or seniors to rescue him when his plans fail.

That's why I think Tsunade's going to play a bigger part in this--because she's the one most affected by Jiraiya's death. I think Naruto is finally going to realize that he has to step up and take the lead to protect those near to him... Not that he hasn't tried to take the lead before, but rushing in without thinking is not the same as approaching the situation calmly and coolly and sincerely doing his best to protect everyone.

I don't think Naruto's core personality needs to/will change. I mean, Jiraiya was pretty similar personality-wise, but he was definitely mature when it counted. Throughout the manga so far, I think we've seen that theme... It's the same for Kakashi, Obito, Neji, Choji, Shika, Gaara, Lee, Jiraiya, Tsunade (as/after she's convinced to become hokage), and Sakura as well. They've all been forced to look at their flaws, work to overcome them, and work their absolute hardest to protect their comrades without relying on any other "power". Naruto's only ever reached that level during the fight with Kakuzu.

[the bane]

naruto is developing slowly but surely.he was very impressive in the fight against kakuzu.

there is still a lot of scope for improvement.he should now try to use some sort of strategy in a battle just like shikamaru and not just attack without thinking.
the akatsuki can use this as an advantage when they fight against him

[DonEmu]

naruto is developing slowly but surely.he was very impressive in the fight against kakuzu.

there is still a lot of scope for improvement.he should now try to use some sort of strategy in a battle just like shikamaru and not just attack without thinking.
the akatsuki can use this as an advantage when they fight against him

Naruto does not attack without thinking. All his victories have been from quickly thought out strategies.

And his development is insanely fast, to practically master wind manipulation in a matter of days, and then half-way achieve an insanely difficult jutsu.

Personally Naruto's personality is good enough, he is much like Jiraiya. He doesnt goof off when in a serious situation. He might get carried away at times but he is willing to realize his plans arent working and hold back to think up something.

[hotnikkelz]

True, his only weakness really is his impatience (due to his emotions) and genjutsu. Apart from that he has no real problem facing anyone...at least shouldn't

[Hustlinaire]

well i hope kishi sends him to train, but in the middle of pursuit when do you have time to train? that would mean that akatsuki would either have to give up on their plans temporarily to regroup or konoha retreats...then that would cause for another time-skip...

[Obito_The_ONE]

Or he'll make something like toriyama with his Dragonball charakters ^^ you know this place where they trained before the fight against Cell... I just know the german name.

[Hustlinaire]

was it the hyperbolic chamber?

[Rhemi]

I don't think my thoughts are coming across right. xD Gotta love the internet. Like I blabbed about before, he'll just need to gain the sense of responsibility that comes with growing up. I brought this topic up because the previous conversation I had about this were with some very close-minded people that thought he would NEVER have what it takes. It p*ssed me off, so I wanted a different opinion. I'll still like him whether he becomes Hokage or not.

I would like to see Naruto go train at some point. But I'll be content with whatever happens, whether it's a timeskip or whatever. I'm not that hard to please. xD

[MiMi_Chan]

Seems everyone thinks Naruto is immature or brash >_>

Post-timeskip, he hasn't been shown like this as much unless the subject touched Sasuke(Oro or Kabuto or anyone talking about him). Other than that, he's been level headed and serious when he needed to be....

Other than those instances, he's goofy, yes, but serious when he needs to be. idk why people thinks he lacks seriousness or patience. It's in his character/style. Jiraiya also jumps into the fray, he just happens to be strong enough to win even with that strategy so people don't reprimand him for that lol :p

[Rhemi]

It really sucks how some people think of him as so one-demensional. I read a good amount of fanfiction *shot* and can't STAND the "Naruto grows up and becomes an overpowered emo-butt" or just a blond version of Sasuke. There's a lot of those popping up and it annoys me to absolutely no end. I love his style, I don't understand why he gets so much crap. I know he's not what you would first think of when you hear the word "hero", but geezy.

[Erotique]

Naruto has willpower, stubbornness, and near limitless amount of chakra potential...

But what I believe Naruto is lacking at this moment is his dynamism in his arsenal. He has artilery and firepower; however, I truly believe his tactical aspect should broaden a little.

Truthfully, kagebunshin + rasengan combination is getting a little boring... But hey, that's just my own personal opinion and nothing more...

[Hustlinaire]

Naruto has the potential to become the best ninja in the storyline...his room for growth is infinite...i was thinking maybe he should work more on his taijutsu and use of clones to train...if he were to send his clones with different senseis simultaneously, he would be able to accomplish a lot...at least learn the gai/lee style taijutsu along with their speed and power...then use some clones to work with his own powers to learn body flicker or the teleportation his father used...
and during battle, instead of one of the clones actually being naruto, none of them be naruto and he could be hiding somewhere controlling them like a puppetmaster. if his taijutsu,speed, and power were better, his clones would evade more and wouldnt poof away as fast

[S.Haze]

you know kyuubi is very hard to control and we know naruto is dumb so if with the help of shikamaru and kakashi (they are both smart) he can mix his chakra with kyuubis and make emerald chakra lololololo

[Obito_The_ONE]

Naruto isn 't dump not really... I think it has been already proven that he isn't the young Naruto before the timeskip. So I am sure that he'll handle the kyuubicharka without help... maybe a bit... but in the end, I think, Naruto and Kyuubi will become one person... a good Human ;)
( he'll kick all the emos in the ass;) )

[Yong_Kb]

naruto is too hot-tempered, that annoys me.

[Kyfas]

Well, Naruto's still a bit dumb. Remember when he was training with Kakashi?
But that doesn't bother me, because i think that's the way Kishi found to explain things better to the reader.

Him being hot-tempered only annoys me when he charges at his enemies without thinking it trough. :p

[MiMi_Chan]

Well Naruto was never really book smarts and yes, it is Kishi's way of making us, the readers, understand his world better. Otherwise, everyone would go "uh huh" and those mechanics would never be explained unless by some monologue lol :p

And compared to before the timeskip, I think he "rushes in" a lot less. He lost control against Oro because of the talk of Sauske but that was it... >_>

Against Sasuke, he was calm. He talked about Hokage and stuff with Sasuke and when Sai blocked Sasuke's sword, Naruto was prepared to take action. It just ended up failing because Kishi wanted to showcase Sasuke's new power.

Against Kakuzu he was fine. He had a simple and effective plan and used KB to gouge Kakuzu properly.

Against Itachi he was smart enough to have a basic plan with KB attacking the back(though it failed).

Against Tobi I can't say much but he seems to be keeping it relatively cool. He Rasengan-ed Tobi from the back as a plan.

Basically, I haven't seen that many instances in battle where Naruto rushed in. Just that his plans tend to fail a lot I guess so people associate that with poor strategy or whatnot.

[Erotique]

Well Naruto was never really book smarts and yes, it is Kishi's way of making us, the readers, understand his world better. Otherwise, everyone would go "uh huh" and those mechanics would never be explained unless by some monologue lol :p

And compared to before the timeskip, I think he "rushes in" a lot less. He lost control against Oro because of the talk of Sauske but that was it... >_>

Against Sasuke, he was calm. He talked about Hokage and stuff with Sasuke and when Sai blocked Sasuke's sword, Naruto was prepared to take action. It just ended up failing because Kishi wanted to showcase Sasuke's new power.

Against Kakuzu he was fine. He had a simple and effective plan and used KB to gouge Kakuzu properly.

Against Itachi he was smart enough to have a basic plan with KB attacking the back(though it failed).

Against Tobi I can't say much but he seems to be keeping it relatively cool. He Rasengan-ed Tobi from the back as a plan.

Basically, I haven't seen that many instances in battle where Naruto rushed in. Just that his plans tend to fail a lot I guess so people associate that with poor strategy or whatnot.

In the end, it's all in the whims of Kishi.

I always wondered how Naruto would look under Sasuke's outfit. I always wondered if Naruto could look better with his own signature weapon of sort. I always wondered if Naruto could look better if he did a perfect landing (on his two feet), instead of tossed back like a ragdoll like when he delivered FRS to Kakuzu to finish him off.

It's all in the style of portrayal. Sasuke is just portrayed "cooler"...

[Nosferatu]

I wonder if naruto will ever learn to use his kagebunshins to use Futon Rasengan instead of himself....it would stop him from destroying his own arm O.o

This has probably been mentioned before but i couldnt find it so here it lies....

[mandelak]

well considering it is only on 50% the other 50 % might be on how to use it without hurting himself. imo it has more than enough power

[blind]

I agree, power wise, FRS has plenty. Its just whether or not he can use it without busting his arm.

[the bane]

naruto should use frs only if he's in deep trouble otherwise it may kill him.
i hope naruto can come up with a very strong jutsu that is not a rasengan type

[blind]

I think he'll improve upon it, since there is still 50% left for FRS to improve, I would think he would change the fact that he has to be up close to use it, but thats just me :D

[Hustlinaire]

since it has wind chakra too, couldnt he throw it? if it is shuriken, couldnt he throw it anyway? in terms of mirroring sasuke, sasuke can do plenty of things with chidori now...he can even do ultimate jutsu with no chakra and use the actual lightning itself..so maybe naruto can use wind and create hurricanes like temari from sand...or make a frs come from behind with no hands or arms involved...

[MiMi_Chan]

From what we've seen, wind seems to be an element which can be used quite effectively without seals. Actually, I only remember one wind jutsu which used seals and that was when Nagato used one in Jiraiya's flashback. All others, be it FRS, Baki's wind blade, Temari's jutsus, they were performed with little to no hand seals so the possibility of Naruto performing jutsus without much preparation is there. It actually fits his style no? :p

[dharq]

Surely Naruto will find some way to use FRS from the clones, so that the feedback won't harm his actual physical form. That's the immediate solution at hand for him, and he doesn't have to really do anything to improve the attack itself... He just has to use clones to control, form, and deliver it instead of himself.

And given what we've seen recently this next piece is a very important point...

Naruto will become the ultimate hokage because he'll never run out of chakra at that vital last moment!! ;)

[Kyfas]

Surely Naruto will find some way to use FRS from the clones, so that the feedback won't harm his actual physical form.

He always finds a way to use his clones for everything. :lol:

I think that if he's going to train with the toads to control Kyubi, as some have speculated, he will also develop new fuuton jutsus (and finish FRS?).

[Arty]

I think it would be best to leave the DBZ jutsu out of his arsenal for a while.

There is a reason for keeping your last and most powerfull jutsu for the last resort attack.

I believe he should go back to the basics of taijutsu and wind elemental combos.

[dharq]

I agree. I'd love to see him get a taijutsu upgrade and develop some wind elemental combos other than FRS.

[blind]

That'd be nice too, considering how wind elemental is the strongest offensive elemental affinties :D

[dharq]

You know what I still wonder though, is what Minato's affinity was... was it wind? water? lightning? Somewhere it mentioned him trying to mix rasengan with his own nature affinity, but what exactly is nature affinity? Does that mean that possibly Naruto has a bloodline limit that allows him to mix 2 types of elements into a "nature" affinity?

For me right now, that's one of the biggest unanswered questions in the manga... exactly what are Naruto's abilities, and how much do we still not know about him and his bloodline. I mean, you obviously don't have to be a genius to have a bloodline trait--look at Hinata. Cute, yes; shy, yes; but utterly un-genius-like.

I still wanna see him perma-clone and take both Sakura and Hinata!

[MiMi_Chan]

You don't need to be a genius to have a bloodline but you don't need a bloodline to be a genius either >_>

As far as I know, genius isn't something completely genetic as bloodlines are since it's more or less a state of person.

[Kyfas]

I don't think rasengan is an elemental jutsu. I mean, it's just normal chakra rotating at high speeds. It's not physically recomposed (or whatever it was called).

[MiMi_Chan]

Physical recomposition or shape manipulation is exactly Rasengan lol. :p

In a nutshell, it means taking chakra and shaping it into something like a dragon, a sword, a ball or whatever. No jutsu so far has had no chakra shape manipulation since you always have to form the chakra into something otherwise it'll probably just leak and go about randomly like an aura or whatnot.

Usually it is accompanied by a change in element to the chakra but Rasengan is pure chakra rotating so it's nothing BUT shape manipulation.

[Kyfas]

That's it! LOL
My bad. But that's what i ment. XD

I'll go check Kakashi's explanation, to reformulate my statement.

[MiMi_Chan]

lol well then you're right ^^

Rasengan is the apex of shape manipulation, the highest level possible which is why it's so strong despite having no elemental manipulation.

Now Fuuton Rasengan or FRS possess the highest shape manipulation AND elemental manipulation so they're really really powerful :p

[Kyfas]

lol
Just checked what Kakashi said, but there's no need to write, since you just said it :p

The point is, knowing that, there's nothing indicating Naruto has a blood limit.
It would be quite interesting to know Minato's affinity, though. But i gess, he goes after his mother. :biggrin1:

[MiMi_Chan]

Well there are other bloodlines then elemental ones but yes, I agree, there is no indication nor real reason at this point for Naruto to have a bloodline.

People might forget it with lots of bloodlines these days but it seems back in the day before this generation, some of the greatest shinobis had no bloodlines. Think Sandaime, Minato, the Sannin, Hanzou and probably others >_>.

Oh and since Minato never used any elemental jutsus as far as we know(excep trying to elementalize Rasengan), there isn't really any benefit to knowing his affinity lol. I doubt peoepl ask for Shika's or Chouji's affinity :p

[Kyfas]

lol True. Its just curiosity. But then again, i bet he mastered two or more elements, being a genius and all.

Hum.. Shika's or Chouji's affinity? Never really thought about that, i confess. :p You made a good point there.

Oh! And by the way, i'm a fan of Naruto. :p

[Hustlinaire]

chouji most likely will have earth affinity while shika might have fire...shika could use fire to emulate sun and cast shadows farther while chouji would be like one of the Sound 5 he fought against..

[Erotique]

I doubt peoepl ask for Shika's or Chouji's affinity :p

Shika's brainpower showed its uberness when he tricked Hidan and killed him.

So in turn, I would rather have Shika's brain than having other elemental affinity. If Shika's chakra potential is half of Naruto's... *shudders*

[the bane]

i doubt shika could use fire.....shikamaru's real power is in his brain.intelligence matters in a fight

iwould like to see a character with shika's brains and naruto's strength....he would thrash madara and pein :biggrin1:

[blind]

Shikamaru can use shadows already, and that's pretty unique as it is, I don't think he'll get another affinity.

[NarutoforHokage]

I agree. I'd love to see him get a taijutsu upgrade and develop some wind elemental combos other than FRS.

yea me too. Imagine 1000 KB comin at you with the taijutsu skills of someone like Kakashi. It would be a lot harder for someone to fight that instead of all of them just getting wasted all the time. Also i think there is a reason for the name hurricane chrinicles. Maybe the last fight between him and Pain will have him reveal his technique from toad training. Also maybe the FRS when 100% done is so powerful it creates a hurricane. For the most part howeve i believe Naruto needs more jutsu to help his overall skills.

Also on another subject, idk if we will see a whole lot of the Kyuubi in Narutos fights anymore. Ever since he was told by Yamato that the Kyuubi hurt Sakura he has been focused on saving Sasuke with his own power. When he gets the key dont be suprised if he just tightens the seal back up since Jariaya loosened it. Also with the seal tighter it might give Naruto better controll of the Kyuubi anyways.

[blind]

I agree, he wouldn't be using Kyuubi as much, other than the healing, which he cannot control, and to complete his "that jutsu". After Yamato talked to him after the Oro fight, he seems reluctant to go out of control again.

[winchester20]

Yeah, hurting Sakura seems to have changed Naruto a bit. Nothing like causing pain to the ones you love to make you get introspective. Especially after he found out from Yamato when Sakura had lied to him to protect his feelings.

Though, I'm wondering if he's gonna be able to keep the cork in on Kyuubi when he finds out Pein killed Jiraiya. I've a feeling that's gonna be something to see.

[the bane]

i think he won't be able to control kyuubi when he finds out that pein killed jiraiya and that will be a major threat to pein when he comes to capture him

[mandelak]

i dont think this will happen. naruto isnt the same. he will be hurt but by the time he faces pein or even meets pein i think he will be more than ready to fight him. and he wont go ape shit he may some things in anger, but it will be a well thought out battle. i highly doubt pein and naruto will meet before he is ready face pein.

[Kyfas]

I used to think Naruto would avoid using kyuubi at any cost, but since Jiraya said that Minato might have intended him (Naurto) to use a jutsu related to Kyuubi's chakra, i've been wondering about it.

[blind]

Since we know that Naruto's "that" jutsu requires control of Kyuubi's chakra, he might very well learn to harness that power better rather than just letting it run loose

[Saru]

however it would cost Kishimoto much time to
a) let Naruto get control over Kyuubi (if he cant tame it within two seconds 8< )
b) explain us h