[Character] Uchiha Sasuke

[regina777]

Uchiha Sasuke

Do you love or hate the guy?

This thread is devoted to him all the same. Although he has appeared little-- it

seems every facet of the story has him lurking somewhere. Just like Orochimaru. Talk all you want about his character. Be him your

favorite or not-- this is all about Sasuke. You can post Sasuke Fan Art and Media concentrating on him. Start Other CHaracter Threads-- this is what this section is for :cool:


Ok, Im sorry. Yo keeps saying that Sasuke isn't on roids because...I forget his reasoning. In any case, I want to know what you guys think. THIS IS NOT A THREAD ON WHAT YOU WANT, THIS IS A THREAD ON WHAT YOU THINK IS PROBABLE IN THE MANGA. So please, if you disagree that Sasuke is probably on some forbidden technique or drug, please give us your reasoning as to why you are contradicting what was EXPLICITLY stated in the Manga.







Remember-- this is not the Ultimate Spam Zone, so no Flaming.

[superkhanh0]

i duno where people get the idea that hes on drug , this is stupid really. maybe training and hardwork can give him the result of stronger/faster/buffer

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

the speed he shown to naruto and the gang wasn't normal at all lee proably can't move that fats unles he had a gate open.so imo he may be using some sort of drug like tsuande stated.he did say he'll do anything for power.or it might be a forbidden jutsus but i say it's drugs that inhance your speed

[Chidongan]

mabye he ate a soldier pill when he attacked sai.

look what it did to akamaru. im pretty sure it'd raise sasuke strenght, and speed too.

[AK47]

well yamato was pretty surprised about the speed, and sakura was told from tsunade that he was probably using drugs, and tsunade knows orochimaru well so i'm pretty sure that it's true that sasuke was using drugs or forbidden jutsu

[Chidongan]

if it is a forbidden jutsu it should be one that probably takes a toll on him.

maybe it shortens his life span, and he did it without oro knowing so that oro only had his body for a limited time.

i dunno im just guessing.

[Lightsabers]

the speed he shown to naruto and the gang wasn't normal at all lee proably can't move that fats unles he had a gate open.so imo he may be using some sort of drug like tsuande stated.he did say he'll do anything for power.or it might be a forbidden jutsus but i say it's drugs that inhance your speedYeah, that's the same thing I've been saying lately. Sasuke is already dingy enough to do anything for power. So, I find it easy to believe that he IS taking drugs. Like he said, he'd do anything for power. Even if Orochimaru told him he would have to cut off his testicles, he'd be dumb enough to do it!

[Hellchild915]

I think he took something because he is to strong

[steve]

Dont you think just having the curse seal, which gives unnatural power, could be considered a steroid?

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

no because it's not a pill or drug it's a seal which gives you power.but he didn't activate the seal so it has to be a drug thta he's using which increases his speed.

and remember when kabuto was fighting tsuande he ate a pill before he tarted fighting maybe that also increased his speed and power.because it was weird how he faired so well agaisn't her

[KageNaruto]

kabuto ate a soldier pill, same thing kiba and akamaru ate against naruto.

and yeah i also think he is using drugs, i already stated why many times dont wanna do it again -_-

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

how do we know for sure kabuto ate a soldier pill?finding out info like this could mean he ate a steriod pill lol or a super soldie rpill which is like steriods

[y.o.]

Thats what it said in the mange, and anime that I read and watched, and it returned his chakra that was depleted from dodging tsunadas attacks!

Thats how we know!

[imported_Aizen-diacho]

..but there still could be a slight possibility...lol jk.but i doubted sasuke using them for a while but seeing what he does for power it wouldn't surprise me is he did.

[Kratos]

I think so. As we all know, Sasuke would do anything for power. And Kabuto being a medical ninja has probably come up with a lot of different pills.

[y.o.]

They said they were food pills not roids

[KageNaruto]

They said they were food pills not roids

steroids dont exist in the narutoverse, thats kinda obvious. and it wasnt called food pills, it was called "drugs". plain ol' drugs. calling it steroids is fun though

[y.o.]

Well I dont care call them what they would be if he were taken them!

[Ichee]

I think he knows alot of forbidden jutsus and jis body became accustiomed to them so in result he became stronger...

Kabuto the only one on the team that take drugs.... did you see his eyes during the chunnin exam

[y.o.]

He was feining for another hit!

[Ichee]

haha.... He was about to ass fuck the leader of those ninjas until he got directions to where Shino was hiding the drugs

[y.o.]

Shino dont hide them, hes a true hustler, he sits the block!

He gets the roaches to watch and move his stash!

[liloyeng]

I think sasuke will but at the every last moment after Itachi truns good. I have feeling Itachi is doing this for some weird-loving reason for sasuke. Sasuke will finds out in the end. do you think evil sasuke is better or good sasuke? I personally like the evil sasuke, but he was evil enough to kill naruto.

[jounin101]

you're gonna find out that alot of people dont take to kindly to sasuke round these parts.^^
I dont really like "evil sasuke" because i liked him more when he was "rival sasuke", and i think he is gonna come around the next time itachi comes appears in front of him and finds that the gap still hasnt closed, then itachi will defeat, maybe not kill, but defeat orochimaru.

[Hollister]

has sasake ever murdered anyone?

if he hasnt yet, then he is still a good guy, if he has killed lotsa people while working for oro, then he is a bad guy

[superkhanh0]

sasuke is already strong yo
it doesnt matter if they kill people
kakshi killed zabuza b4 doesnt make him bad
ninja agree to fight eachother to dead which is like a nature law

[Chidongan]

i think he means if he killed anyone for orochimaru's sake.

[animeking]

maybe it will be fun to watch sasuke become good again so naruto and him can join forces and kickass! :) it be like SO KICK ASS new naruto + new sasuke +new sakura THE ULTAMATE POWER!

[Chidongan]

or sasuke can just kill naruto and then orochimaru then itachi.

and then he kills tsunade and becomes the next hokage, then he goes to naruto grave and rubs it in his face that he became hokage.

then he marries sakura, and cheats on her with temari and tenten.

oh and he kills lee and gai sensei.

[animeking]

or sasuke can just kill naruto and then orochimaru then itachi.

and then he kills tsunade and becomes the next hokage, then he goes to naruto grave and rubs it in his face that he became hokage.

then he marries sakura, and cheats on her with temari and tenten.

oh and he kills lee and gai sensei.

if that happens than all i have to say is DEATH TO SASUKE (demon eyes)

[superkhanh0]

nah he killed lee and left gai alone so he can suffer for the rest of his life :D

[jounin101]

or sasuke can just kill naruto and then orochimaru then itachi.

and then he kills tsunade and becomes the next hokage, then he goes to naruto grave and rubs it in his face that he became hokage.

then he marries sakura, and cheats on her with temari and tenten.

oh and he kills lee and gai sensei.

the last uchiha seiging konoha single-handedly, i love it.^^
you forgot about making konohamaru his personal slave though, but you were on the right track.lol.

[Chidongan]

i prolly shoulda put spoiler tags on that. ^^

oh and konohamaru doesnt become his slave until the next timeskip. so i left it out. ^^

[jounin101]

oh yeah, i forgot, i guess we are the only ones who read sasuke-gaiden.lol.

[B0ukun]

Where do i find this, Sasuke Gaiden?

[Kratos]

Just type Sasuke Gaiden into google. j/k
Sasuke Gaiden doesn't exist.

[KageNaruto]

has sasake ever murdered anyone?

if he hasnt yet, then he is still a good guy, if he has killed lotsa people while working for oro, then he is a bad guy

-_-....

so not true.

[B0ukun]

Just type Sasuke Gaiden into google. j/k
Sasuke Gaiden doesn't exist.

its a fan fic and i found it but in french. that sux

[Techno Dude]

maybe it will be fun to watch sasuke become good again so naruto and him can join forces and kickass! :) it be like SO KICK ASS new naruto + new sasuke +new sakura THE ULTAMATE POWER!


stoned?
no chance in hell that'll happen

sasuke will be just like itachi in the end, i bet any money

[animeking]

stoned?
no chance in hell that'll happen

sasuke will be just like itachi in the end, i bet any money

it would still be fun to see them join forces ya know -_-

[Collateral]

i hope he dont became like itachi, in the end there must be one of orochimarus subordinates who will be saved

[Oracle]

He didnt kill his closest friend....because he dont want to be like itachi...
But i dont think he will be that good again

[airstep]

has sasake ever murdered anyone?

if he hasnt yet, then he is still a good guy, if he has killed lotsa people while working for oro, then he is a bad guy

just to let you know, you dont have to kill anyone personally to be a bad person. as a partner or left hand man(Kabato is right hand man), he is held accountable for any actions on the part of orochimaru. Even though he just joined Orochimaru for power he is still an enemy of the state who is accountable.

Damn it, i have to stop repeating myself

[B0ukun]

Of course Sasuke will be good again, naruto's gonna knock some sense in him by tossing him through the left eye of a statue and then he'll be back to sad, puppy eyes sasuke craying about "That man, sob sob". At least thats what I'd like to see. The way the stories going he's gonna be Oro's succesor and be the evil member of the new Sanin.

[Techno Dude]

hmm, he'll stay evil i hope, becomes a new akatsuki member after itachis death

[KageNaruto]

he stays evil, gets his body taken over, and then sasumaru gets killed by itachi.

[Techno Dude]

he stays evil, gets his body takes over, and then sasumaru gets killed by itachi.

haha, itachi will show up before orochimaru takes over hes body i bet

[Chidongan]

haha, itachi will show up before orochimaru takes over hes body i bet

it'd be more likely if naruto did that. >.>

[Techno Dude]

it'd be more likely if naruto did that. >.>
yeah, but that'd suck ass, Itachi is better for that moment

[omgosh]

Well my first point for making this thread is, how strong would Sasuke be if he didn't posses the CS. In my opinion, he would be no where near where he is now. I realise that you have to be strong to be able to even survive the cursed seal in the first place but I mean there are people like Neji who train and have their own strengths but Sasuke just uses the power Orochimaru gave to him.

Would Sasuke have been able to take out that army of nin or even take on Orochimaru if he didn't have the CS?

[Recoom]

I think he would still be pretty strong, regardless of the seal. Of course, it's because of the training with Orochimaru and battling with Naruto, but he'd probably be above Neji and hell even Naruto and Kakashi right now without it.

I wonder though.. is he stronger than Itachi with it? Will we see soon?

[KageNaruto]

I think he would still be pretty strong, regardless of the seal. Of course, it's because of the training with Orochimaru and battling with Naruto, but he'd probably be above Neji and hell even Naruto and Kakashi right now without it.

I wonder though.. is he stronger than Itachi with it? Will we see soon?

lol, hes weaker than itachi with it.

[iCeNinja]

Definitely weaker than itachi. even with it. And I still think naruto will have a couple jutsu up his sleeve. Also that new way of him to train it would probably be easy for naruto to surpass sasuke

[Recoom]

Well I for one would love to see Kakashi vs Sasuke.

It would definitely allow us to gauge how much he's grown compared to everyone else.

I mean, Orochimaru isn't much of a fight from what we've seen so far.

[XxXItachiXxX]

I want to see a Sasuke vs Kisame. I think Sasuke may be able to beat Kisame with the talent he has now.

[el naruto]

I want to see a Sasuke vs Kisame. I think Sasuke may be able to beat Kisame with the talent he has now.

I think hes definetly above kakashi and maybe naruto but still think Kisame and Itachi would Kick his ass all over, a 30% clone made gai go 6th gate(think so). so still dont think hes there but definetly showing great strength.

[regina777]

With Kishimoto's theme of the young surpassing the old-- it looks Sasuke in his current fight may be threading that path. Oro may actually go down.

The way sasuke has been portrayed in recent chapters is almost parallel to the earlier parts of the series. Naruto may be doing the catching up again. if Naruto is on par or stronger than Kakashi-- then i presume Sasuke maybe at least as strong as either of them or more.

[omgosh]

Theres just one more thing I want to say. I honestly think that Sasuke would kick Naruto's ass (I'm a fan boy for both btw :P). Naruto is seriously lacking in speed and decent taijutsu. Sure he has a killer jutsu but would he even be able to get close to Sasuke when he's using sharingan. BTW forget about kyuubi becuase he doesn't want to use its powers anymore.

[DonEmu]

Theres just one more thing I want to say. I honestly think that Sasuke would kick Naruto's ass (I'm a fan boy for both btw :P). Naruto is seriously lacking in speed and decent taijutsu. Sure he has a killer jutsu but would he even be able to get close to Sasuke when he's using sharingan. BTW forget about kyuubi becuase he doesn't want to use its powers anymore.

If kakashi considers naruto to be equal to him, and kakashi has sharingan, and kakashi is fast...then...

I think ppl are not giving naruto enough credit, with his training i dont think rasenshuriken is the only wind jutsu he has actually learnt, its just the most powerful...

And About Sasuke, i think he is probably around Kakashi strength, maybe stronger in some areas but also weaker in others, but still around kakashi, i mean i think kakashi, at full force can take on ORO at ORO's current state( his body is rejecting him, its like fighting a sick person.)

Though Itachi is still stronger...and without CS sasuke would be much much weaker, but then again he would have been trained by kakashi not ORO so his strength wouldnt be the same...

[Aizen-diacho]

If kakashi considers naruto to be equal to him, and kakashi has sharingan, and kakashi is fast...then...

I think ppl are not giving naruto enough credit, with his training i dont think rasenshuriken is the only wind jutsu he has actually learnt, its just the most powerful...

And About Sasuke, i think he is probably around Kakashi strength, maybe stronger in some areas but also weaker in others, but still around kakashi, i mean i think kakashi, at full force can take on ORO at ORO's current state( his body is rejecting him, its like fighting a sick person.)

Though Itachi is still stronger...and without CS sasuke would be much much weaker, but then again he would have been trained by kakashi not ORO so his strength wouldnt be the same...

With naruto and Sasuke's development imo they both or equal to or stronger than Sasuke.Sasuke with hics is a different story sasuke with cs imo can beat kakashi and with cs2 it's more than a hands down.Naruto also imo with 1 tail can kick kakashi's ass and with more the battle is gonna be 1 sided.So imo both are pretty strong just using their regular strenght but with the cs and kyuubi their power rises to even greater heights

[DonEmu]

Yeah but i am choosing to compare them without using their power ups, cause naruto has decided not to rely on kyuubi anymore, though it looks like sasuke has no qualms about pulling out cs2...

[Pryce]

Yeah but i am choosing to compare them without using their power ups, cause naruto has decided not to rely on kyuubi anymore, though it looks like sasuke has no qualms about pulling out cs2...


if naruto was in a life or death 1v1 fight like sasukes in right now I am pretty sure he would use kyuubi, in fact I would bet money on it. and the only reason that naruto doesnt want to use kyuubi is because he cant control himself. Besides he's had kyuubi his entire life and went through all those hardships because of it I think hes earned the right to use it if he so chooses and should not be looked down upon.

[jounin101]

Naruto won his fight so easily cause he was grossly underestimated by kakuzu. had kakuzu respected his opponent, we would have still been on that fight right now, IMO and naruto would have been forced to use kyuubi to an extent, but he would have won. and what's with the kyuubi eyes on naruto when he fights, i think naruto still using kyuubi's chakra, but only up to a point where he is in full control.

Sasuke on the other hand is fighting an opponent who he knows very well and vice versa. not to mention his "show no mercy" attitude and his personal vendetta against oro are the reason he went CS so early in a fight.
and sasuke it seems as if sasuke DID take out those ninja w/o CS.

in all honesty, i think sasuke was at or above kakashi before naruto did TKB training. and since sasuke was obviously training between the time he encountered naruto and co and now, i put sasuke above kakashi, and naruto at kakashi's level or between sasuke and kakashi.

[KageNaruto]

Naruto won his fight so easily cause he was grossly underestimated by kakuzu. had kakuzu respected his opponent, we would have still been on that fight right now, IMO and naruto would have been forced to use kyuubi to an extent, but he would have won. and what's with the kyuubi eyes on naruto when he fights, i think naruto still using kyuubi's chakra, but only up to a point where he is in full control.

Sasuke on the other hand is fighting an opponent who he knows very well and vice versa. not to mention his "show no mercy" attitude and his personal vendetta against oro are the reason he went CS so early in a fight.
and sasuke it seems as if sasuke DID take out those ninja w/o CS.

in all honesty, i think sasuke was at or above kakashi before naruto did TKB training. and since sasuke was obviously training between the time he encountered naruto and co and now, i put sasuke above kakashi, and naruto at kakashi's level or between sasuke and kakashi.

as soon as kakuzu saw fuuton rasenshuriken there was no way he was underestimating him. in fact he was taking a lot of caution to make sure he would keep a safe distance from naruto. i dont like it when excuses are made for characters that were awsome to appear less so when they deserved it all.

attitude can easily be connsidered a person's flaw in a fight anyway

[Aizen-diacho]

Naruto won his fight so easily cause he was grossly underestimated by kakuzu. had kakuzu respected his opponent, we would have still been on that fight right now, IMO and naruto would have been forced to use kyuubi to an extent, but he would have won. and what's with the kyuubi eyes on naruto when he fights, i think naruto still using kyuubi's chakra, but only up to a point where he is in full control.

Sasuke on the other hand is fighting an opponent who he knows very well and vice versa. not to mention his "show no mercy" attitude and his personal vendetta against oro are the reason he went CS so early in a fight.
and sasuke it seems as if sasuke DID take out those ninja w/o CS.

in all honesty, i think sasuke was at or above kakashi before naruto did TKB training. and since sasuke was obviously training between the time he encountered naruto and co and now, i put sasuke above kakashi, and naruto at kakashi's level or between sasuke and kakashi.

Imo naruto was using the kyuubi's chakra but to the point where it's chakra is not leaking out similair ot garra using the shukaku's claw without turning into him.Imagine naruto like that during a regular battle he would really be at kakashi's.

and Sasuke is killing oro now because their's nothing more for him to learn from him.and sasuke and naruto met like 2 months ago imo after a month sasuke been planning his death

[10sarg]

in all honesty, i think sasuke was at or above kakashi before naruto did TKB training. and since sasuke was obviously training between the time he encountered naruto and co and now, i put sasuke above kakashi, and naruto at kakashi's level or between sasuke and kakashi.


yeah but even though saskue can learn stuff quickly it doesnt compare to naruto's years worht of training. i think when saskue and naruto met earlier on at oro's hide out saskue was stronger than he was but now i'd say there equal.

[amod]

guys one thing...
if oro take over sasuke...
then forget sasuke.... why ? .. because then he is not even equal to Nara Shikamaru.. and so dont even have any chance against naruto.

[Collateral]

guys one thing...
if oro take over sasuke...
then forget sasuke.... why ? .. because then he is not even equal to Nara Shikamaru.. and so dont even have any chance against naruto.

do you want to say that Hidan is as strong as orochimaru? no way

[amod]

why not ? he could be

[y.o.]

Naruto won his fight so easily cause he was grossly underestimated by kakuzu. had kakuzu respected his opponent, we would have still been on that fight right now, IMO and naruto would have been forced to use kyuubi to an extent, but he would have won. and what's with the kyuubi eyes on naruto when he fights, i think naruto still using kyuubi's chakra, but only up to a point where he is in full control.

Sasuke on the other hand is fighting an opponent who he knows very well and vice versa. not to mention his "show no mercy" attitude and his personal vendetta against oro are the reason he went CS so early in a fight.
and sasuke it seems as if sasuke DID take out those ninja w/o CS.

in all honesty, i think sasuke was at or above kakashi before naruto did TKB training. and since sasuke was obviously training between the time he encountered naruto and co and now, i put sasuke above kakashi, and naruto at kakashi's level or between sasuke and kakashi.


Thats bullshit..... kakuza along w/ everyone else around him were marvling at the share intensity of the chakra, kakuza said I cant get hit w/ that cause no matter how many hearts he had.... he would die!!

And even though he did his best to avoid it, naruto got the best of him, end of story, there wasnt any underestimation, he got pwned!!

[fishspoons]

Theres a tiny little flashback in 339 (cant rememebr or be bothered to check if we actually saw it earlier) where Naruto uses Fuuton Rasengan in its compressed form. One frame he is comically questioning Kakashis request that he hits kakashis rasengan with his new jutso. The next frame he is gone.
The NEXT frame he is standing abotu 10 metres behind kakashi, steam billowing from his hand. Thats fast, even for Naruton ninja standards. Certainly as fast - if not faster - then what we have seen from sasuke. So we can conlude that with his vast chakra supply, Naruto is going to be using these things to propel himself around at silly speeds, only to produce a fuuton rasengan shuriken (or whichever form he chooses) on the fly, without relying on the kyubi.

[oipotty]

I think hes definetly above kakashi and maybe naruto but still think Kisame and Itachi would Kick his ass all over, a 30% clone made gai go 6th gate(think so). so still dont think hes there but definetly showing great strength.

yea, actually 7th gate

[Collateral]

if you ask me kakashi is on kisames level in the short fight kakashi vs kisame and itachi you saw that kakashi was clearly on kisames level or at least not much weaker and now he also got M.S. and it looks like he also increased his stamina. of course kisame has much more chakra but with M.S. and normal sharingan and his jutsus kakashi should have a chance

[the killer Uchiha]

if you ask me kakashi is on kisames level in the short fight kakashi vs kisame and itachi you saw that kakashi was clearly on kisames level or at least not much weaker and now he also got M.S. and it looks like he also increased his stamina. of course kisame has much more chakra but with M.S. and normal sharingan and his jutsus kakashi should have a chance

you cant really say that kakashi and kisames level he only copied kisames jutsu and canceled it out.

[10sarg]

plus we aint seen kisame really let go as of yet. i want to see him fight to the death.

[y.o.]

I think we seen him close enough when he was fighting gai and the rest of his team!!

[el naruto]

Kakashi isnt at kisames lvl, Itachi respects Kisame which means hes a a bad ass mofo and also kakashi is a ho ms makes him boring he just is half dead after he uses it. OT: Uh sasuke seems to be pullin ahead of naruto, but i think naruto is just a little behind him(Oh and naruto almost killed jiraiya so i think 4t and cs2 actually are equally matched up)

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

(Oh and naruto almost killed jiraiya so i think 4t and cs2 actually are equally matched up)

I cant agree with you on that one mate. :p previously sasuke cs1 chidori lost to naruto's rasengan (on the waterfall fight and naruto didnt even had kyuubi eyes) then when naruto went 1 tail and used rasengan. sasuke went cs2 with chidori and it ended on what i see like a draw leaning towards naruto. naruto was able to scratch his forehead protector if it wasnt because of that sasuke would either be dead, drooling due to severe brain damage, or with a bad ass scar all over the head. 4TK is way more powerful than cs2 :cool:

[10sarg]

I think we seen him close enough when he was fighting gai and the rest of his team!!

it was a clone, fighting with 30% of kisame's chakra. due to this there were certain things that couldn't be done by the clone.

[oipotty]

I cant agree with you on that one mate. :p previously sasuke cs1 chidori lost to naruto's rasengan (on the waterfall fight and naruto didnt even had kyuubi eyes) then when naruto went 1 tail and used rasengan. sasuke went cs2 with chidori and it ended on what i see like a draw leaning towards naruto. naruto was able to scratch his forehead protector if it wasnt because of that sasuke would either be dead, drooling due to severe brain damage, or with a bad ass scar all over the head. 4TK is way more powerful than cs2 :cool:

yea i agree
but sasuke won that battle

[10sarg]

only because they had different goals. saskue had the full on intention to kill naruto - but couldnt do it once everything calmed down. were as naruto went in to merely prove a point and scratch saskue's forhead protector.

[Itachi_the_Feared_One]

Exactly, the 4Tailed Kyubi is not a justu, it's a physical state where naruto cannot make a difference between good and evil.....at this stage he becomes a great danger to either friends or foe.

I believe, I am not sure though , the fourth used a technic that allows him to teleport himself he was so freaking fast that people called him the yellow flash ( the trail left because of the colour of his hair) since jiraya was his sensei, technicaly and probably he transmitted the same knowledge to Naruto during the time skip.

but then hey we really dont know, as to Sasuke he was also taught a terrible technique by Orochimaru, remember chapter 309 or 308. innevitably both Naruto and Sasuke will meet for another fight under what circumstances we dont know but it will be dramatic as hell.

I wonder how good looking is the mysterious female akatsuki member and what power does she possess,

[oipotty]

only because they had different goals. saskue had the full on intention to kill naruto - but couldnt do it once everything calmed down. were as naruto went in to merely prove a point and scratch saskue's forhead protector.

wat do u mean by couldn't do it until everything calmed down.

[hotnikkelz]

He saw how cute naruto was and decided he couldn't do it lol. You could see it in his face

[10sarg]

wat do u mean by couldn't do it until everything calmed down.

you know after naruto was all unconcious and saskue had the opportunity to deal a killing blow he couldnt bring himself round to follow itachi's path. Also i used the word "once" everything calmed down not "until" that would have two different meanings if read in context.

[Drizzt_13]

Ever since naruto used rasengan I've though that saskue was a bit weaker then him. Even though saskue is said to be the smart and powerful one you don't see him using kage buushins to lure people into taps so he can hit them with chidori like we se naruto doing. And lets face it, most of the targets he hits with chidori ae immobile or charging right at him and kind of let it him them. The only time somene actually does something about it was when itachit grabs sauke's arm and blows up the wall with it. raikieri in my opinion is not the same as chidori because chidori requires body acti ation and raikeri dosen't. Meaning it can be used for something other then a straight thrust. Anyone here seen monty python and the quest for the holy grail,remember the part where the black charges arthur and arthur sidesteps and cuts the knights arm off. the black knigh is doing a chidori like move there just running straight at him with a powerful, easily blocked, attack.

[10sarg]

yeah but you got to remember the sharingan is the counter to that block. and the only reason itachi blocked it was because he aslo has sharingan - and at that time saskue's wasn't full on 3 tomoes yet.

[mandelak]

well i think sasuke and naruto are close sasuke stronger when they using there normal strengths but cs2 vs 4tk sasuke wouldnt even stand a chance to even get in a decent attack. also naruto would be able to make sasuke have to use cs1 against him dont underestimate naruto he is smart and strong and knows how to read battles pretty good. also has more powerful jutsu that doesnt need hand seals than sasuke does

if sasuke tried to go head to head rasenshuriken vs that new lightning blade he use with oro he is a dumb ass he will die fir sure

i bet ya with sharingan turned off itachi still would have owned sasuke that day he is more than a one trick pony he just choses to use that coz he only needs to use it once if he had a huge ass battle like a war type thing he cant use it coz then he'll get tired

[Drizzt_13]

yeah but you got to remember the sharingan is the counter to that block. and the only reason itachi blocked it was because he aslo has sharingan - and at that time saskue's wasn't full on 3 tomoes yet.

oh come on, just because you can predict them dosen't help if your being absolutely preditable yourself. It's like lee said your eyes are useless if your body can't keep up. It's not a matte of dodging the counter atack, it's a matter of suddenly stoping all your momentum so you can turn aroud after they sidestep you. For body activation to work you have to be going extremley fast and someone could sidestep or use some justsu (shuushin) to dodge you and the stab you in the back. Rsengan and raikeri are good because they don't require body activation so you can use buushins or stealth to hit someone with them.

[10sarg]

in kakashi gaiden the 4th actually says why its an uncomplete jutsu - but then later when kakshi is explaining nature manipulation to naruto and about completing the rasegan he says that the sharingan allows him to see the counter and counter it making it a complete jutsu.

[Drizzt_13]

ok so the sharingan also gives the abillity to go from moving as fast as you can to no motion at all in an instant? lets stop arguing about blocking the counter because you got manga on your side and I got life experiences on mine.

How would you expect to hit anyone with it, notice that most of the naruto characters (except itachi) politely just stand there and try to block it with their own super defense. If there's anything I've learned from fencing it's that a predictable attack, however quick, will fail. The smart thing to do is just use substitution and get the heck out of there before they hit you, and since saskue could only have done it two times a day then alll you have to o is two substitutions and he's burned alot of wasted chakra.

[Toxic Anarch]

Kakashi isnt at kisames lvl, Itachi respects Kisame which means hes a a bad ass mofo and also kakashi is a ho ms makes him boring he just is half dead after he uses it. OT: Uh sasuke seems to be pullin ahead of naruto, but i think naruto is just a little behind him(Oh and naruto almost killed jiraiya so i think 4t and cs2 actually are equally matched up)

I cant agree with you on that one mate. :p previously sasuke cs1 chidori lost to naruto's rasengan (on the waterfall fight and naruto didnt even had kyuubi eyes) then when naruto went 1 tail and used rasengan. sasuke went cs2 with chidori and it ended on what i see like a draw leaning towards naruto. naruto was able to scratch his forehead protector if it wasnt because of that sasuke would either be dead, drooling due to severe brain damage, or with a bad ass scar all over the head. 4TK is way more powerful than cs2 :cool:

....good points...i think if we were to look at it from the point of that Jiraiya is indeed a Sannin and Just about as powerful as Orochimaru...so Naruto Took on both Sannin in full power (so far) and defeated both of them while Sasuke had to prey on a weak sick Orochimaru as well as Full Power of Cs2...so who indeed is more powerful??

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

....good points...i think if we were to look at it from the point of that Jiraiya is indeed a Sannin and Just about as powerful as Orochimaru...so Naruto Took on both Sannin in full power (so far) and defeated both of them while Sasuke had to prey on a weak sick Orochimaru as well as Full Power of Cs2...so who indeed is more powerful??

I've posted on another thread about that, if you read the manga you will observe than its showing a strong sasuke, with his nadara chidori (chidorifrom his complete body) the "chidori spear" that he used to attack oro, this forbidden jutsu that oro stopped him from using and his awesome sharingan progress and suppressing the kyuubi's chakra. meanwhile on the other hand all we have seen from naruto's training from jiraiya is odama rasengan and better basics. i think kishimoto wants to give the perception of naruto being way behind sasuke and thats why everyone thinks that if they were to fight now sasuke has naruto easy. but naruto didnt train for 2.5 years with a sannin to come only with odama rasengan.. so i guess that thus far they have shown all the growth on sasuke's side but a lot less about naruto, so i guess we have to see naruto fight again with some one and hope it last long enough so he can make more than 1 move.

[jounin101]

....good points...i think if we were to look at it from the point of that Jiraiya is indeed a Sannin and Just about as powerful as Orochimaru...so Naruto Took on both Sannin in full power (so far) and defeated both of them while Sasuke had to prey on a weak sick Orochimaru as well as Full Power of Cs2...so who indeed is more powerful??

this is why i dislike kishimoto sometimes. there arent many straight up fights in the series...
Naruto's jutsu is extremely powerful and his skills have improved from what we saw there, but his skirmish was more of a "1 hitter-quitter" than a fight.

Same goes with 4tk vs orochimaru, there is no way to actually kill orochimaru without using soul jutsus or killing his soul, which is something naruto isnt capable of doing. 4tk was completely murking oro though, and 4tk is likely the strongest character in the series, but he's not really naruto, its kinda like the ape saiyans in DBZ. it is an unconscous transformation of them.

i already disregarded what happened between sasuke and oro as a "fight". it was merely a failed takeover. those chaps were basically used for charting how oro thinks sasuke is a super-elite genius by taking out thousands of ninjas w/o killing them, and doing a form manipulation oro never saw before.
kishi needs to put naruto and sasuke against FRESH, ELITE OPPONENTS so we can see how powerful both are. i'm actually pulling for naruto to be slightly ahead at his point!

[Liquid]

Been awhile since anyone's posted in here.

Anyway, I was wondering if any characters Sasuke's age could possibly match up against him as it stands now. Naruto, Gaara, Neji, Shino, Rock Lee, etc. Who has the best chance of standing toe to toe with him?

I personally don't think any can win but here's how I see a few match-ups:

Naruto: His best chance is if he resorts to FRS, which could end the fight in one blow. The problem is landing it which Sasuke won't make easy. As for the Naruto/4 tail kyuubi mode, Sasuke would definetly lose here though I hesitate to count this scenario. In this state I consider Naruto to be less himself and more 9-tailed fox. So I really wouldn't count it as a win for Naruto. Plus, if this were to happen it would cost Naruto his health and maybe even his life if nobody where around to help him control it.

I do wonder about Sasuke's sharingan though. His "willpower" in surpressing/controlling Itachi's genjutsu, Juugo's rage, Oro's dimension/body switch jutsu, Manda's difficult summon, etc. has all been well documented. We know he can see Naruto's kyuubi but can he also suppress it at some level? Long enough to stand his ground during the fight for a little while?

Gaara: He stands the best chance along with Naruto. Since his last fight with Sasuke he's improved a lot. My only question is if he's lost any power since his kyuubi was taken. If not then this would be a very good fight.

Rock Lee: No chance right now. If he knows how to unlock more gates maybe he could win but that would cost his body big time (maybe even his life).

Anyways, just passing time till the next chap comes out. (In 2 weeks i hope??)

[blind]

Well Kyuubi is part of Naruto, so even if he uses it, I would still give him the win. I mean, if Sasuke wins using Sharingan, does it not count towards his win? I think it still should count as Naruto's win if he does beat Sasuke with 4tk :D

[Liquid]

Well I guess I see your point. It just seems that Naruto completely loses consciousness while the kyuubi is in control. But I guess if it were Juugo, who goes completely nuts when he fights, his wins would count in my book.

So yeah I see your point.

[blind]

I can see where you're coming from as well, it's just that whether he loses control or not, I still think that it's his ability, hence if he chooses to use it (or lose control of it), it's technically still him that's fighting, so I think it still counts as his win.

[Liquid]

Interesting. That's a good point. I guess if Naruto went 7 tails or higher, the kyuubi seal could possibly break and maybe kill Naruto. Then we'd have a full blown 9 tail fox deal with.

[blind]

Going above 4tk might already do that, since the rate of healing is slower than the rate of how fast Kyuubi is hurting them. I think that using Kyuubi anymore than that will probably kill him.

[Liquid]

Hmm. I guess Naruto better get back to training quick before Sasuke catches up with his 4tk mode. According to Itachi the sharingan can control the kyuubi. And knowing Kishimoto, Sasuke could develop this power sooner than later. Though I would hate to see that too soon.

[blind]

Good point, but wasn't it that EMS that can control Kyuubi? Even if it was just MS, Sasuke's wouldn't activate unless he sees Madara's Sharingan, so unless he plans to have Madara with him all the time, he wouldn't be able to control Kyuubi.

[Liquid]

Yes it is EMS. And therein lies the question of how else can you obtain EMS. I don't know if transplanting Itachi's eyes is still an option. So then when Sasuke activates his own MS, can he then somehow fuse the MS eye techniques his brother left him to make a new EMS? Can he learn to use Itachi's MS techniques outside the presence of Tobi?

Idk. I hope kishi sheds some light on this all sooner than later.

[MiMi_Chan]

Hmm the exact purpose of HOW MS controls Kyuubi or the actual circumstances of it sound fishy to me >.> I'd like Kishi to explain more on the subject. I mean, he's going to make me believe random genetics allow me to control one precise being in the whole universe? Even if that is true, I'd like some more info on how that works ^^

Back on topic, ummmm Sasuke has topped the shinobis of his age in power level. Although yes some shinobis could probably take Sasuke in given conditions.

Naruto could have a decent chance although I'll refrain since we've yet to see a long lasting decent fight with him in it since the timeskip.

Neji is a question of range basically. If he is able to get point blank(which would be difficult but I'm speaking hypothetically here) then it would be more or less a very very difficult situation for Sasuke since I doubt his body is fast enough to evade the fast hits of 64 strikes even if he sees them with Sharingan. His Shunshin is also less effective since Neji can see behind his head save a small blindspot. Also, Neji was shown to have one mid to long range Jyuuken move(Hakke Kushou) so maybe he could strike Sasuke with that and incapacitate him long enough to get into range.

Gaara is a long range fighter, which is still currently the bane of Sasuke since Deidara stated his maximum range is 5m. The other problem is that Gaara uses Earth which has an elemental disadvantage against Lightning so Sasuke's "Chidori Nagashi" would probably counter stuff like Gaara's "Sabaku Kyou" although higher attacks such as Ryuusa Bakuryuu would probably still be effective. Gaara's use of sand doesn't seem to have been halted without Shukkaku though the extent of it is still unknown. Kage level shinobis are known to alter battlefields with their jutsu so maybe Gaara has what it takes even without Shukkaku.

Rock Lee would have a difficult time probably. His taijutsu is still on par with Sasuke's as far as we know(nowhere was it said Sasuke's actual taijutsu was severely improved since the timekip, only his Shunshin) yet Sasuke has developed other means of attacking which might be difficult. Although without his weights Rock Lee was shown to move at a speed perhaps rivaling Shunshin(i.e he seems to disappear then reappear at another place) and it doesn't require him actual chakra but muscle power. But yeah, Kaimon gates are probably his best solution and that would cost him(although Gai seemed fine after opening 6 of them vs Kisame)

The only other person who might stand a chance form the initial rookies would be maybe Shika but he'd need info in advance and some kind of a strategy. It's a long shot for Mr. Brains here >.>

The other rookies I'm not exactly too in depth on their abilities so I won't disclose on them >_<

[Liquid]

Very insightful post!! :thumb: You're spot on about every character you mentioned. I too would like to know the nature of the sharingan's ability to control kyuubi.

Maybe the sharingan in its advanced form has an innate ability to bend chakra-filled/related things to its will. Kind of like how Sasuke "controls" Juugo's power, Itachi's genjutsu, Oro's body-switch jutsu, etc. by sheer force of 'will'. Maybe controlling kyuubi is one of the greatest manifestations of this ability.

Hopefully kishi fills us in more about the sharingan in the coming months.

[KageNaruto]

I had always assumed controlling Kyuubi with MS was the same as controlling Manda with normal Sharingan.

[MiMi_Chan]

Very insightful post!! :thumb: You're spot on about every character you mentioned. I too would like to know the nature of the sharingan's ability to control kyuubi.

Maybe the sharingan in its advanced form has an innate ability to bend chakra-filled/related things to its will. Kind of like how Sasuke "controls" Juugo's power, Itachi's genjutsu, Oro's body-switch jutsu, etc. by sheer force of 'will'. Maybe controlling kyuubi is one of the greatest manifestations of this ability.

Hopefully kishi fills us in more about the sharingan in the coming months.
I had always assumed controlling Kyuubi with MS was the same as controlling Manda with normal Sharingan.

The problem is that Itachi & Sasuke specifically said KYUUBI and not something like Bijyuus which are all masses of chakra. IF it was simply genjutsu, then why not just every large summon? Why not every Bijyuu?

Sure it might have been underlined that if you can control Kyuubi then you can control every Bijyuu but it wasn't said so explicitly while let's say Shodai's ability was said to bend ALL Bijyuus to his will, not just one. THAT line seems more like a question of genetics since that means Shodai's abilities have something to do with the species which are Bijyuus and not just one particular one. Like nature equipping one race of animals with weapons against another race but not just one particular animal.

[KageNaruto]

Well, Madara [thought] he was powerful enough to control the Kyuubi with MS, and did.

Hence why Sasuke said "the power to control Kyuubi" in chapter 385.

I seriously doubt it's JUST Kyuubi. It's the fact that it's the most powerful demon of all, plus it had already been controlled, that they don't state just bijuu in general. Saying that it controls Kyuubi is basically saying it controls the most powerful thing in existance.

That's the way I saw it.

[Liquid]

A little clarity from kishi would be nice. I'll just go with a general ability to control chakra-related entities for now.

I guess with konoha's close and recent history with the kyuubi, Itachi felt a need to mention it by name.

Also, I don't know if it's been made clear or not but is kyuubi chakra based on the fire element? That may also play a factor with the sharingan's control over it since (I think) the bloodline is partly fire based.

[MiMi_Chan]

Well I know it could very well be that yet Shodai's abilities were said to control all Bijyuus and I doubt the guy had the time to really test it on all 9 >.>

I'm just opening the possibility. It might be completely false lol :p Besides, Kyuubi seems to remember Madara so the control doesn't seem as in "mind control" since he remembers at the very least.

[KageNaruto]

Well I know it could very well be that yet Shodai's abilities were said to control all Bijyuus and I doubt the guy had the time to really test it on all 9 >.>

I'm just opening the possibility. It might be completely false lol :p Besides, Kyuubi seems to remember Madara so the control doesn't seem as in "mind control" since he remembers at the very least.

Well, another thing that makes me think the way I do. Manda also croaked about how Sasuke used it before it died. And Kyuubi also has a definite grudge against Madara.

So MS gives you so much power you can control a demon, not just a giant animal or person. I don't see it as something special that controls it, they are the same genjutsu means that control other things, but with more power.

[MiMi_Chan]

Hmm well if it is indeed simply a powerful genjutsu, then I guess that's an explanation. Although what Sasuke did to Kyuubi in Naruto's mind wasn't exactly genjutsu, pure suppression there I guess(although IMO Naruto helped in the act).

If that's the case, the mechanics of Shodai's abilities are also intriguing to me. He can also control Bijyuus and Moukuton doesn't have any genjutsu properties as far as we know and what Yamato does isn't extremely indicative either lol :p

[Itachi4ever]

Yes it is EMS. And therein lies the question of how else can you obtain EMS. I don't know if transplanting Itachi's eyes is still an option. So then when Sasuke activates his own MS, can he then somehow fuse the MS eye techniques his brother left him to make a new EMS? Can he learn to use Itachi's MS techniques outside the presence of Tobi?

Idk. I hope kishi sheds some light on this all sooner than later.

I think that your allowed to fuse them together, however that would only allow him to have EMS in 1 eye, but that still doesn't make any sense because Itachi said that your suppose to take your silblings eyes like Madara did.

I don't know if he can learn these techniques by himself, unless kakashi teaches him but is sasuke going to suffer the same fate like itachi did?

(It hasn't even been a full month and I already miss itachi:(

[blind]

I think transplanting eye techniques and transplanting the actual eye is two completely different things, so I doubt it'll be possible to fuse his MS (eventually) with the techniques he has. Plus, the eye technique can only activated upon sight of Madara's Sharingan that's something else to consider. How do you fuse something that is only periodically there?

[Liquid]

I think that your allowed to fuse them together, however that would only allow him to have EMS in 1 eye, but that still doesn't make any sense because Itachi said that your suppose to take your silblings eyes like Madara did.

I don't know if he can learn these techniques by himself, unless kakashi teaches him but is sasuke going to suffer the same fate like itachi did?

(It hasn't even been a full month and I already miss itachi:(

Yeah, I wonder about taking a sibling's eyes as the only way to get EMS. Maybe Itachi discovered an alternate method. Giving/forcing MS techniques on a non-MS user has prob never been done before. Itachi may have set things up so that Sasuke could fuse his own MS (when he finally activates it) with his brother's. Itachi always did note Sasuke didn't have MS eyes yet. Maybe he wasn't waiting to take them from him, but rather help him make them more powerful (which would REALLY play into the good guy Itachi plot). I doubt this but it's just a thought.

Also, while Sasuke's left eye may hold Itachi's amaterasu, his right eye may hold some more of Itach's MS techniques yet to be triggered. Plus, the trigger mechanism may change as Sasuke's sharingan gets stronger. At some point he may not need Madara around to activate anything. He could do it himself.

As to learning how to activate the techniques, this will be very difficult. Maybe seeing it done a few times while on 'autopilot' will give him a start. Otherwise Kakashi or Madara might have to help him develop it.

What's going to happen with Sasuke I don't know. But I can't wait to find out.

(And yeah, I would have liked to see more of Itachi myself.)

[blind]

Actually, Madara said that Itachi transfered all his eye techniques to Sasuke, so I would assume that he has Tsukuyomi as well, all assuming it activates when he sees Madara's Sharingan.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/11/

[Liquid]

Hmm. Then there prob are some more triggers yet to be seen.

[blind]

The way Itachi "programmed" his eye techniques into Sasuke was that it activates upon sight of Madara's Sharingan, I don't see another threat (immediate anyways) to Sauske that Itachi would know of. So probably no other triggers.

[Larzarus]

With training Sasuke can surely activate Amaterasu and other MS techniques without Madara.
Its just that it activates itself for selfdefense as long as Sasuke doesnt know how to use the MS.

[Csdabest]

Yeah I bet Amaterasu also activates when Sasuke see's Madara naked. Stop the melestation. I bet Madara is a lonely lonely man. J/p

But Im pretty sure Sasuke will be able to activate it on his own after time with madara and spending time with kakashi.

So last Manga cover. Do you thing the sleevless look on Sasuke willl be the new look. I hope not. I like the sleeveless look better. But anyways

Though far fecthed what ha occured may have been the best way for Sasuke to have develope while keeping everyone somewhat remotely happy.

[*Ichee*]

Well if Sasuke lost all of Orochimaru techniques, I actually see him more powerful now because he has Itachi's sharigan techniques. All three of them is over-kill in the Narutoverse.

[blind]

Only if he can use it without having to see Madara, otherwise Madara would have to follow him around...

[letsrock0303]

I didn't think that Itachi transfered all of his techniques... I thought he just embedded an ameratsu in Sasuke's eye so that when he saw madara it would kill him and keep him from spilling the beans

[blind]

But will it be a one time thing, or will he be able to train to use it?

[mandelak]

i think he only transfered (A) but at the moment he cant use it on his own. madara may do something that allows him to use it at his will. i mean madara is the genius uchiha. more smarter than itachi it seems

[blind]

i think he only transfered (A) but at the moment he cant use it on his own. madara may do something that allows him to use it at his will. i mean madara is the genius uchiha. more smarter than itachi it seems

Well it kind of hard to compare the level of genius at different times, since the situation (war time) may force one type of genius to be better than one in another situation (time of peace). I would put them on roughly the same level. Madara knows what Itachi was going through, hence is willing to help him.

[Csdabest]

Madara said Itachi transferred all of his MS techniques to him. So it's safe to assume he did. I think the mechnism was a one time deal seeing as it didnt happen again from the second time Madara showed his Sharingan to Sasuke.

[*Ichee*]

I didn't think that Itachi transfered all of his techniques... I thought he just embedded an ameratsu in Sasuke's eye so that when he saw madara it would kill him and keep him from spilling the beans

No Madara actually confirmed that Itachi transferred all of his eye techniques to Sasuke, so it's safe to assume he has Tsykuyomi and the invicible Susano'o as well.

[*Ichee*]

Well it kind of hard to compare the level of genius at different times, since the situation (war time) may force one type of genius to be better than one in another situation (time of peace). I would put them on roughly the same level. Madara knows what Itachi was going through, hence is willing to help him.

I agree, in a sense of intelligence I will rate Itachi higher.

[etibrowni]

Does Sasuke have eternal MS? and Why?

Pls help me cause i am confused. I was thinking they were only 3 types of MS. But now look what we got.

Let me know your ideas. If it's discussed before pls give me the link.

[blind]

For all we know, the amount of MS is limitless. As long as there are people to unlock them, new MS will be revealed. MS varies from person to person, as we've seen so far. It's too early to say whether or not he has MS or EMS, since if he has EMS, we should see overlapping, but that could also vary from person to person, we don't know yet.

[etibrowni]

Thanks for the info Blind. I have a few more questions:

Does each MS has own unique techniques?

or Could every other MS users use Susanoo-Tsukuyomi-Ameterasu?

[blind]

We're not sure of that either. We haven't seen Madara's MS techniques so we can't compare his to Itachi's, nor have we seen Sasuke's. So it's possible that they could all have unique techniques, or they could all have the same combination.

[B0ukun]

I'm going to go on a limb and say that they all have different techniques, simply based on two things. Kakashi's MS has a technique that Itachi's didn't, the whole teleportation jutsu and Itachi was betting on Sasuke developing MS through their fight, yet he transfered his techniqus to Sasuke. If his plan were to force Sasuke to develop MS and expected the same techniques, why would he transfer his to Sasuke.

[blind]

Yeah, but we can't rule out any overlapping of techniques. Yes, so far we've seen different techniques from everyone, and when Sasuke uses his, we'll be sure if it is or not.

[B0ukun]

The problem with watching for overlapping techniques is that I doubt Kishi would differentiate between two ameretsu's if they are the exact same technique when used by Sasuke, we'd have to see if Madara or Kakashi use any of the same techniques. And I don't think we'll be seeing a whole lot of MS from those two.

[blind]

I'm sure we'd see Madara's MS, perhaps not Kakashi's as much because of how much it drains him, but definitely Madara's. We'll just have to watch for Sasuke's techniques, unless all he's going to use are the ones that Itachi transferred to him.

[B0ukun]

I hope not, Even with his so called genius, Sasuke has been riding on the coat tails of great ninja his entire career. It's time he really stepped out on his own.

[blind]

As do I, instead of seeing him use Itachi's, I'd rather see him have different techniques, if not come up with his own, seeing something new is always more exciting that seeing what's been done before.

[B0ukun]

ain't that the truth. We'll see soon I bet.

[blind]

That we will. Not to mention whether he has MS or EMS, or something entirely different, that would be something that needs to be explained as well.

[Owenotto]

But, i actually want to see susano'o again since it hasn't clear at all......

[blind]

If Itachi has given all his eye techniques to Sasuke, then we might see more of Susanoo.

[Owenotto]

Yes, i want to know wether it is a summon or something else.....

[blind]

I don't see why it isn't a summon, we haven't seen another jutsu outside of summoning that creates something that attacks/defends like Susanoo does, so I think it's a summon.

[Owenotto]

Then if it is a summon, so a sacrifice is needed... It is unclear either.......

[blind]

Not all summons require sacrifices, Gamabunta didn't, nor did Katsuyuu. The only ones that required it was Oro's Edo Tensei (Forbidden summoning) and Manda, but Manda only wanted sacrifices because he was being difficult lol.

[Owenotto]

lol, a small tick of blood is considerd as a sacrifice........

[blind]

lol, then again he is using MS, and we've seen that it's able to defy pretty much all laws of science in the Narutoverse. I mean, a fire that burns for 7 days and night?! or a black hole that sucks everything into another dimension? Come on. :p

[y.o.]

If Itachi has given all his eye techniques to Sasuke, then we might see more of Susanoo.

I would really hate if naruto has to go up against that, looks like we will see gambuta again! But it would be interesting to see if he can actually get out of tsyomi!

[blind]

lol, I wonder if genjutsu even works on Gamabunta, or any of the toads for that matter.

But yes, Susanoo may prove to be quite a challenge for Naruto, he might try and bust through the shield with Rasengan, only to realize it's not happening. :D

[jounin101]

Yes, i want to know wether it is a summon or something else.....

well, from mangekyou we've seen a genjutsu and ninjutsu, so a summoning jutsu isn't too farfetched for me to believe.

[blind]

If you can shoot black fire that can burn for seven days and seven nights, a summoning should be nothing! :D

[teh mirage]

lol, I wonder if genjutsu even works on Gamabunta, or any of the toads for that matter.

But yes, Susanoo may prove to be quite a challenge for Naruto, he might try and bust through the shield with Rasengan, only to realize it's not happening. :D

How do you know itachi didn't give him another sort of armor to fight susanoo, seemed like itachi gave him something useful, and if it is a crow it probably has to do with living again after the kyuubi is extracted or something like that. Itachi even believes in narutos power, probably cause he saw him progress so much just to save sasuke.

[blind]

An armor to defend against a genjutsu sword, isn't that in a sense defense against genjutsu? And Itachi definitely gave him something useful, otherwise he wouldn't say that he hopes Naruto will never have to use that power.

[B0ukun]

You know, I didn't think about some type of resurection jutsu. Crows are mythically linked to death and resurection, it wouldn't be so far fetched, though I'm more leaning toward a genjutsu defense. It would be something that would protect against the strongest of genjutsu so his hoping that he wouldn't have to use it would mean that it's in protection against Sasuke and his MS that Itachi expected to awaken in him.

[hotnikkelz]

A genjutsu defense?? unlikely imo, those uchiha dudes are not succeptible to even the strongest of genjutsus. I think adding a defense to that is overkill and unlikely.

If genjutsu worked on Manda, i have no doubt genjutsu would work on gamabunta or any summon for that matter.

[blind]

I think he meant Itachi giving genjutsu defense to Naruto.

[mandelak]

yeah that could be what he gave, but it is not something he would say i hope you dont have to use it. i mean he would say something completely opposite to that.

its a defence thingy against madara faile safe for the fail safe. i think he is literally leaving things with naruto to take care of. he knows that sasuke is likely to follow madara, but he knows that no matter what naruto will stick with protecting the village and saving his brother.


well we will have to see lol i bet its something that when naruto and sasuke get together they will become nurusuke. fusion


sasuke hasnt got susanoo, he just had (A). i think if he implanted the eyes he would get all of itachi's jutsu plus EMS i think thats how that works

[Owenotto]

Or maybe itachi was weakening the seal..... That's why he told naruto not to use it unless he has to do so......

[blind]

sasuke hasnt got susanoo, he just had (A). i think if he implanted the eyes he would get all of itachi's jutsu plus EMS i think thats how that works

Madara said Itachi has transferred all his eye techniques to him, perhaps he's familiar with the process? I'm not quite sure, but we might see him use Susanoo in the future, I wouldn't be surprised.

[mandelak]

hmm cool, but if that times i think maybe it will be countered i mean otherwise there is no point of naruto even trying to counter it. i think maybe he will fight using the toads or he will get information about itachis battle. hmm or maybe what itachi gave naruto is the only thing that can counter susanoo and by saying hopefully you dont have to use it could mean that hopefully the fight doesnt get to that point of sasuke using susanoo to kill his apponent

i mean itachi would know susanoo pretty well

[Owenotto]

I think the way itachi said that implifies that hopefully naruto hasn't to use it because there is some risk or whatever which will give danger to Naruto if he do.....

I guess that it has a connection with kyuubi.....

[blind]

Itachi wants to protect Sasuke/Konoha as well, who's to say that that power wouldn't do those two parties harm? Especially because they were on the topic of saving Sasuke when Itachi shared his powers with Naruto, I think it has to do with Sasuke, whether it's something to be used when he tries to bring him back, or something else.

[teh mirage]

Madara said Itachi has transferred all his eye techniques to him, perhaps he's familiar with the process? I'm not quite sure, but we might see him use Susanoo in the future, I wouldn't be surprised.

Madara doesn't know that itachi transferred a tech to naruto, plus he couldn't have transferred susanoo because he used it in that battle. Unless he had some way of copying a summoned armor, maybe he gave naruto a different armor. Regardless it will activate when naruto is in a near death experience, or when sasuke is about to do something drastic. It could be something else.

[blind]

I never said itachi transferred an MS technique to Naruto, he did transfer all his techniques to Sasuke though, which was what I was talking about...

[kingtz]

Yeah, I also believe that since Naruto is Itachi's last hope of helping/saving Sasuke, he probably gave Naruto some automatic counters to the techniques that he gave Sasuke.

[Owenotto]

I am prefer that it has to do with kyuubi...... That's why he told Naruto not to use it unless he has to.....

[blind]

There could be more than one reason as to why he wishes that he never has to use it, I wouldn't mind seeing either that or if it's some type of defense against Sharingan/MS/genjutsu.

[the bane]

i think it's something against ms or it could something very destructive

[Owenotto]

Well said, it's another puzzle from the author....

[Nadeem99]

Sasuke, along with his group, Hawk, is huting eight-tail jinchuriki for the Akatsuki and he has vowed to eliminate konoha. whereas he has used Orochimaru only to get power.
Now, has Sasuke realy turned against Konoha or just using and decieving Akatsuki?

Please share your opinion

[blind]

This can go in here...

And Sasuke has used Oro to gain power, and in the previous chapter has said that he's using Akatsuki just to get a Bijuu. His ultimate goal is still to take out the Elders, possibly resulting in a war against Konoha, so I'm going to have to say they're against Konoha.

[KageNaruto]

He's against solely the Elders, which represent all of Konoha. However, Madara is against all of Konoha and Sasuke is siding with him, even if it's just to gain power (again).

[blind]

He's against solely the Elders, which represent all of Konoha. However, Madara is against all of Konoha and Sasuke is siding with him, even if it's just to gain power (again).

Exactly, he just made himself sound like a better person since he said he was going to "use Akatsuki", just for the Bijuu. But his overall motives are still the elders, and rest is as you said in your post.

[Nadeem99]

Akatsuki won't hand over Bijju to Sasuke as a gift. Sasuke has to fight one of akatsuki for it. I don't think Sasuke will be able to fight against Konoha on his own with his group Hawk

[timiza]

i think that after all his aim is to get more and more powerful. but still he isn't stupid. when the time has come he will get to know what madara wants to do. the question is if at that point the aims of sasuke and madara are the same.

[blind]

Akatsuki won't hand over Bijju to Sasuke as a gift. Sasuke has to fight one of akatsuki for it. I don't think Sasuke will be able to fight against Konoha on his own with his group Hawk

Madara has already said he'll give one to him for his cooperations, unless he's lying, and I don't see why he would, since he'll have to work with Sasuke in the future...

[Lazy]

Sasuke Uchiha...He's always looking for more power, he hates everyone ( Now that I come to think of it, is there any single person in the manga that Sasuke loves or respects ? I don't think so ), he's thirsty for revenge. Man, he's living a dissolute life. BUT on the other hand, he looks cool, even when getting his ass kicked. [Sasuke = Hate, Revenge, Death, Coolness]

[papfles]

Madara has already said he'll give one to him for his cooperations, unless he's lying, and I don't see why he would, since he'll have to work with Sasuke in the future...

Sasuke's increasing skills + a bijuu (+ potentially the eyes of Itachi) = quite formidable.

okay, the 8-tails is teaching him some humility, but if he does get a bijuu, he'll only divert his attention to Madara afterwards, so why arm a volatile personality with even more power?

He will use sasuke, but not to an extent that he becomes an even greater threat than he already is.

[blind]

Sasuke's increasing skills + a bijuu (+ potentially the eyes of Itachi) = quite formidable.

okay, the 8-tails is teaching him some humility, but if he does get a bijuu, he'll only divert his attention to Madara afterwards, so why arm a volatile personality with even more power?

He will use sasuke, but not to an extent that he becomes an even greater threat than he already is.

Well, Madara has to give Sasuke his Bijuu after he's completed his job because he's bound to work with Sasuke when he decides to go after Konoha. So they're still gonig to be partners after, hence lying to him wouldn't do him any good.

Also, Madara has got to be confident to even say he'll give Sasuke a bijuu.

[papfles]

Well, Madara has to give Sasuke his Bijuu after he's completed his job because he's bound to work with Sasuke when he decides to go after Konoha. So they're still gonig to be partners after, hence lying to him wouldn't do him any good.

Also, Madara has got to be confident to even say he'll give Sasuke a bijuu.

"We've begun the attack on Konoha, we are too busy at this point to give you the bijuu, since we'll lost our window of opportunity. You can sneak in without a problem. Do your thing and come see me afterwards at the shiki-diky club. I'll give the bijuu to you then"

That's how I'd try to keep him at bay. Even if I were confident of my own abilities, I wouldn't strengthen a potential opponent.

[blind]

"We've begun the attack on Konoha, we are too busy at this point to give you the bijuu, since we'll lost our window of opportunity. You can sneak in without a problem. Do your thing and come see me afterwards at the shiki-diky club. I'll give the bijuu to you then"

That's how I'd try to keep him at bay. Even if I were confident of my own abilities, I wouldn't strengthen a potential opponent.

Where Sasuke would start throwing a tantrum, "I WANT MY BIJUU. NOW!" :D

Well, as we've all seen before, all villains tend to be overconfident in their abilities...

[Valleyman]

Uchiha Sasuke's biography:

Born an emo. Lived an emo's life. And died an emo.

[Erosannin]

Uchiha Sasuke's biography:

Born an emo. Lived an emo's life. And died an emo.

Valleyman...

I do not know if you are aware of this, but you have just made yourself an enemy to millions of pre-teen Sasuke fans worldwide. This is your final warning. Do not, (I repeat, DO NOT) make fun of Sasuke in any sort of ways what-so-ever. By ignoring my warning, you will earn the wrath of the most dreaded fraternity ever unleashed by Kishi himself, the "Don of Narutoverse." The "emoness" that you know, or you think you know, is only a shadow compares to an avalenche of Sasuke-fans worldwide... You will be a breakfast, no... a bite-size snack, to millions of younglings wherever you go. If you live near San Francisco, then you will be immediately be on a 24-hour surveilance by the local "Dancing Boys" club, or the "Swingin' Sausage" club members... These are the people who makes quite a creative fettish on one of our male body part, err... let's just call it a "cinnamon ring"...

Consider yourself warned...

If not, look for the Tengu Bunker near you...

~Cheers~

[Owenotto]

i agree, sasuke is an emo... he was born as a natural emo...

[KageNaruto]

I disagree, he was born as a high-pitched voiced annoying little attention-wanting lad. Then Itachi raped him. He couldn't recover.

[Seraphiel]

i agree, sasuke is an emo... he was born as a natural emo...

Actually naruto is more emo.


@Kage ur new avy and sig rock,It was time for a change :D

[KageNaruto]

Naruto is only emo over Sasuke. Over his own life, he is quite the opposite. Sasuke whines and bitches whenever anything doesen't go to his liking, and is moody all other times.

And I slightly changed it again, looks better now in my opinion when it's zoomed in.

EDIT: Changed the ava too, was the last one better or not? I can't decide.

[Owenotto]

good avatar Kage, but kinda like emo...
and naruto is not an emo...
btw, how does this emo discussion bring progress to this thread??

[blind]

Actually naruto is more emo.


How? We've only seen Naruto be emo in the beginning, when everyone was ignoring him, annnd that was it. Sasuke? The entire series, pretty much.

[-Erios-]

good avatar Kage, but kinda like emo...
and naruto is not an emo...
btw, how does this emo discussion bring progress to this thread??

Who knows dude....but It is true Naruto was only emo at the begginig and well with J-man death but not much as I expected

[KageNaruto]

well with J-man death but not much as I expected

Are you kidding me? Are you saying you wouldn't be sad if one of your closest if not the closest family members/friends died?

[-Erios-]

Of course I would, but we are talking about the Naruto-verse Naruto got over it pretty quickly IDK if it was because of revenge or what...

[KageNaruto]

My point is that being sad over the death of a loved one is not emo. If in a month Naruto is still moping around about it, then that would make him emo. But since he isn't, he is not emo.

[-Erios-]

Well it only took Naruto like two weeks to get over it and now he is only taking J-man's death as an inspiration to get stronger an kill his murderer aka Pein

[Herumor]

Kage made a good point, Naruto being sad over Jiraiya's death isn't really emo. It's mourning, however dwelling over someone's death for an extended period of time would make him emo. As for Sauske who constantly dwells over the death of his clan, and doesn't rise above it. . .

[Tatsu]

My point is that being sad over the death of a loved one is not emo. If in a month Naruto is still moping around about it, then that would make him emo. But since he isn't, he is not emo.

The natural grief cycle can take years, so saying Naruto would be "emo" if he was moping around for a month after Jiraiya's death is stupid. Sasuke, on the other hand, who has held onto his pain for his whole life, IS "emo".

[KageNaruto]

The natural grief cycle can take years, so saying Naruto would be "emo" if he was moping around for a month after Jiraiya's death is stupid. Sasuke, on the other hand, who has held onto his pain for his whole life, IS "emo".

It is different to grief over a person, to sometimes remember them in the back of your mind over the passing years, and actually dreading it and moping around about it and complaining. I also doubt Naruto is the kind to take years to fully heal, I'm quite sure he already remembers the good times he had with Jiraiya and won't let grief drag him down, but instead make the memories motivate him to strive harder, like he is doing now with sage training. Though when he sees Pein he will probably loose it a little.

[yasuo]

It is different to grief over a person, to sometimes remember them in the back of your mind over the passing years, and actually dreading it and moping around about it and complaining. I also doubt Naruto is the kind to take years to fully heal, I'm quite sure he already remembers the good times he had with Jiraiya and won't let grief drag him down, but instead make the memories motivate him to strive harder, like he is doing now with sage training. Though when he sees Pein he will probably loose it a little.


that's the big difference between sasuke and naruto. because of narutos bad childhood he becomes mental very strong and look forward, on the other hand sasuke is only complaining about his situation and the things which happened in the past...

[blind]

It is different to grief over a person, to sometimes remember them in the back of your mind over the passing years, and actually dreading it and moping around about it and complaining. I also doubt Naruto is the kind to take years to fully heal, I'm quite sure he already remembers the good times he had with Jiraiya and won't let grief drag him down, but instead make the memories motivate him to strive harder, like he is doing now with sage training. Though when he sees Pein he will probably loose it a little.

I agree, and that is quite understandable. From what we've seen from Naruto, he's already over the fact that Jiraiya is dead, and is using that as motivation to master sage techniques. The only place where we've seen Naruto repeatedly mope is after he's failed to take back Sasuke (again), whereas Sasuke's been moping pretty much his either life about how Itachi has killed his clan and what not, and now he's moping about how the Elder's has killed Itachi and so on.

[Azzul]

I agree, and that is quite understandable. From what we've seen from Naruto, he's already over the fact that Jiraiya is dead, and is using that as motivation to master sage techniques. The only place where we've seen Naruto repeatedly mope is after he's failed to take back Sasuke (again), whereas Sasuke's been moping pretty much his either life about how Itachi has killed his clan and what not, and now he's moping about how the Elder's has killed Itachi and so on.

Isn't that the reason why most people on this forum say he's emo? He's a great shinobi, but leans on the emo side.

[Herumor]

Isn't that the reason why most people on this forum say he's emo? He's a great shinobi, but leans on the emo side.
I don't know if anybody really debates Sauske being a great shinobi. He is from the Uchiha clan (now one of only two left) and hence a great shinobi. I like Sauske except for the fact he bases his entire life on revenge and getting back at people. Granted he has just reasons to be pissed off at first Itachi, then the elders but I cannot get into characters bent on hate and revenge. . .

[Erosannin]

I don't know if anybody really debates Sauske being a great shinobi. He is from the Uchiha clan (now one of only two left) and hence a great shinobi. I like Sauske except for the fact he bases his entire life on revenge and getting back at people. Granted he has just reasons to be pissed off at first Itachi, then the elders but I cannot get into characters bent on hate and revenge. . .

What I'm about to say may contradict my feelings towards Sasugay but f**k it.

SasuKE is actually a very unique character that sets apart all the other main characters in Narutoverse for a single reason: vengeance. It is a fuel that is driving him and his background story and it is still a fuel that is driving him. Naruto is driven by his friendship and rivalry, Sakura is driven by his love for Sasuke; however, Sasuke's motivation is the vengeance after another...

In all due honesty, I like Sasuke's story the most... It's just that Kishi's adoration of Sasuke is what gotten me into end up hating Sasuke in the end.

[Csdabest]

What I'm about to say may contradict my feelings towards Sasugay but f**k it.

SasuKE is actually a very unique character that sets apart all the other main characters in Narutoverse for a single reason: vengeance. It is a fuel that is driving him and his background story and it is still a fuel that is driving him. Naruto is driven by his friendship and rivalry, Sakura is driven by "his" love for Sasuke; however, Sasuke's motivation is the vengeance after another...

In all due honesty, I like Sasuke's story the most... It's just that Kishi's adoration of Sasuke is what gotten me into end up hating Sasuke in the end.

Dear god. I never knew that Sakura was a male.
J/p but yeah. Sasuke has made it a point that he is etremely different from other characters in the manga. Prideful, vengeful, with a sad history.

[blind]

Isn't that the reason why most people on this forum say he's emo? He's a great shinobi, but leans on the emo side.

Yes, but one could argue that he's a great shinobi because he's "emo", in the sense that it pushes him forward, but that's beside the point.

[FerN]

Sasuke isnt a great shinobi just because he is from the uchiha clan. The whole clan was killed by itachi (and madara (still not sure if he help or just help with the escape)). So not all of the uchiha clan was great shinobi. Sasuke is a great shinobi because he is driven and works hard (and gets a few freebies here and there)

[S.Haze]

You mean he gets a lot of power-ups and he is just great because Kishi wanted him to be.
Naruto had to work from scratch (apart from having a kyuubi), he invented a powerful jutsu, mastered the rasengan in a week, people could say having the kyuubi is the biggest power-up but Naruto had to control it (a very big task seeing as the kyuubi is quite stubborn at times) and in his point of view he thinks its a burden on him.

[FerN]

First off, what powerfull jutsu did Naruto invent. As far as I know he bettered a powerfull jutsu. And I think the kyuubi has hindered his growth early on, but is now a big power up because he can control it now (or better).

Naruto is my favorite character, but people have to be fair. Sasuke also had to work hard to become so powerful

[S.Haze]

Lol where have you been, Naruto created FRS AND ITS 50% DONE.
FRS is wind
Kirin is lightning
so which jutsu do you think will win if they clash?
Drugs helped Sasuke a lot, Techniques from Itachi
Oro inside of him (but he is gone now)
Naruto can't control kyuubi better, why do you think he lost control and went 4 tails? Is that better control or what?

[FerN]

That's why I said he bettered a jutsu. He bettered rasengan. It was Minato's idea to add elemental chakra to the mix

[Obito_The_ONE]

Drugs helped Sasuke a lot

Can u tell me where it was stated Sasuke became a druggie ? LOL
ok maybe I exaggerate xD but I don't remember anyone saying sasuke and taking drugs in one sentence.

hope u get what I mean. LOOOL:yawn:

[Azzul]

Can u tell me where it was stated Sasuke became a druggie ? LOL
ok maybe I exaggerate xD but I don't remember anyone saying sasuke and taking drugs in one sentence.

hope u get what I mean. LOOOL:yawn:

Sakura says it to Team Kakashi when Yamato is leading some time after their run in with Oro, Kabuto, and Sasuke. She says as in reference to what the 5th told her.

[blind]

That's why I said he bettered a jutsu. He bettered rasengan. It was Minato's idea to add elemental chakra to the mix

But to be the first person to ever do it in practice, is that not the definition of invention? One could theorize about anything, but to actually do it in practice is the art of invention.

Can u tell me where it was stated Sasuke became a druggie ? LOL

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/311/16/

[Herumor]

Sasuke isnt a great shinobi just because he is from the uchiha clan. The whole clan was killed by itachi (and madara (still not sure if he help or just help with the escape)). So not all of the uchiha clan was great shinobi. Sasuke is a great shinobi because he is driven and works hard (and gets a few freebies here and there)

The Sharingan makes the Uchiha superior shinobi almost in and of itself. Of course there will always be stronger people amongst the already strong. But the Uchiha are repeatedly refered to as one of the strongest clans in the Leaf. Yes, the clan was weak by the time Itachi killed them off, but the fact that Itachi and Mandara killed their entire clan. Doesn't mean the Uchiha are to be joked about.

First off, what powerfull jutsu did Naruto invent. As far as I know he bettered a powerfull jutsu. And I think the kyuubi has hindered his growth early on, but is now a big power up because he can control it now (or better).

Naruto is my favorite character, but people have to be fair. Sasuke also had to work hard to become so powerful

Saying either Naruto OR Sauske had to work hard to become strong is a bit arrogant if you ask me. They both had to work hard to get where they are, neither of them got many hand outs. Naruto as given the Kyuubi at birth, but using to much of it causes Naruto to loose consciousness (not a good thing imo). Just using the Kyuubi to pwn people won't get him anywhere he has to learn to control it, which is a feat in and of itself. He also did technically invent the FRS when he added wind chakra to the Rasengan thus creating a new jutsu.

And Sauske while born into the Uchiha had to train with Orochimaru for three years to get where he is now (probably taking drugs and using forbidden jutsu while training).

[Spetznas]

Well the kiyubi is the power up with the most "Potential"
but it takes a very long time to control it
I mean if we just look at the 8tails he is probably in the 40s
thats probably why he has such good control over his bijuu
he is training very hard to control it and he had it for his entire lifetime

but Uchiha is different they dont even need to train to gain power ups
its just coincidents for them or better known as Luck
Be in emotional stress=Sharingan lvl 1,2,3
see someone close die=mangenko
especialy Sasuke who has got most power ups from someone else
or just because of his blood
Cursed seal= only works in like what? 1/10 people and gets power up right away doesnt have to train
White snake= Absorbing sick half dead Oro again power up right away no training
and Potentially EMS= takes his Brothers eyes gains huge power up again right away without training


While Naruto
Kiyubi= ok major power up ,doesn`t always work when he wants, hurts him,takes a Huge amount of training,Potentialy dangerous to his life and everybody around him, and could be surpressed(sharingan),taken away(Sealing),taken control(EMS) of anytime
possibly Sage arts= Power up(still dont know how strong it is) Again holds a serious risk to his life just to feel the Chakra and we still cant know how hard it is to actualy develop jutsu with it since you have to constantly try to balance the chakra(could be even harder for Naruto since he has another type of chakra to balance it with)

Now you tell me who had to train harder or who is more overpowered
dont forget to consider that some of Sasukes power ups Nullify Narutos

Ps. dont tell me that Sasuke has lost Cs and White snake ,he got Ms for them hell I would give up two TNT sticks for an Atomic Bomb

[blind]

Technically, the activation of the various stages of the Sharingan doesn't require training, but to be able to use it effeiciently, that requires training. The only ones in your list that doesn't require training is White Snake's powers and EMS. Even MS jutsus would need to be trained in order for them to be used well.

[FerN]

Sage arts isnt a powerup, its a technique you train. It is like saying Kage bunshin is a powerup. Yes you become powerfull but it is not like it is given to you

[blind]

Sage arts isnt a powerup, its a technique you train. It is like saying Kage bunshin is a powerup. Yes you become powerfull but it is not like it is given to you

Well, it is in the sense that it powers up regular chakra by infusing nature's energy into it, so really, it is a power up that you have to train, not really a jutsu.

[Spetznas]

Technically, the activation of the various stages of the Sharingan doesn't require training, but to be able to use it effeiciently, that requires training. The only ones in your list that doesn't require training is White Snake's powers and EMS. Even MS jutsus would need to be trained in order for them to be used well.

I did not mean that that he didn't have to train to make them stronger
just to get them and they do give a huge boost right away and after that its basically refining them
(like super sayjan in dragonball they get it and then have to train just to control it better giving it more effecientcy)
we dont know about Ms really that much or atleast sasukes
he seemed to be able to use it right away and atleast used one Ms jutsu effectively on the Guy before the 8ails

And what about CS he didnt train for that
or am I missing something

Sage arts isnt a powerup, its a technique you train. It is like saying Kage bunshin is a powerup. Yes you become powerfull but it is not like it is given to you

I consider Power ups something that boost strength significantly
with hard training
and Sage mode would be the Power up but did you see what that frog did he did not use any Handseals or jutsu he is taking it into himself boosting his strength significantly which equals a power up

just like naruto does with Kiyubi he is taking Kiyubis chakra into himself
making him stronger

[blind]

I did not mean that that he didn't have to train to make them stronger
just to get them and they do give a huge boost right away and after that its basically refining them
(like super sayjan in dragonball they get it and then have to train just to control it better giving it more effecientcy)
we dont know about Ms really that much or atleast sasukes
he seemed to be able to use it right away and atleast used one Ms jutsu effectively on the Guy before the 8ails

Yes, there is an immediate power boost, but it's nothing compared to after he's trained it. Look at Itachi, he could use his MS jutsu 3-4 times before getting tired, but look at Sasuke, one shot (two if you count him using it to interrogate the other shinobi) and he's grabbing his eye...


And what about CS he didnt train for that
or am I missing something

His partial transformation? I doubt he just knew how to do it, since even Juugo said he had good control over his CS.

[Spetznas]

Yes, there is an immediate power boost, but it's nothing compared to after he's trained it. Look at Itachi, he could use his MS jutsu 3-4 times before getting tired, but look at Sasuke, one shot (two if you count him using it to interrogate the other shinobi) and he's grabbing his eye...



His partial transformation? I doubt he just knew how to do it, since even Juugo said he had good control over his CS.


Well twice is not bad since he just got it and Itachi had his for years
plus the fight is not over yet I would not be surprised if he uses amaterasu or something along the lines

The point I was Also Getting at is that Sasuke did not have to work to get his power ups or atleast train to Get them
while Naruto only got Kiyubi which is more or less a triple edged sword I mean it is not only bad for him to use it but also to the people around him
While the only thing that Sasuke has that comes close to that is MS
but he has Itachis eyes at his disposal so its not like he even has to fear going blind since he can just put in Itachis eyes whenever he wanted

About CS I think he just learned to control it better
and it did not make it stronger

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Well twice is not bad since he just got it and Itachi had his for years
plus the fight is not over yet I would not be surprised if he uses amaterasu or something along the lines

...exactly, meaning he had to train in order for him to use it that many times. Also keep in mind that Itachi had more than one MS jutsu, ones that could use up more chakra than the other.


The point I was Also Getting at is that Sasuke did not have to work to get his power ups or atleast train to Get them
while Naruto only got Kiyubi which is more or less a triple edged sword I mean it is not only bad for him to use it but also to the people around him
While the only thing that Sasuke has that comes close to that is MS
but he has Itachis eyes at his disposal so its not like he even has to fear going blind since he can just put in Itachis eyes whenever he wanted

It's not like Naruto had to work to get his power up either. In his fight with Gaara, did he have to learn to control Kyuubi first before he can use his chakra? No, he just asked for it and got it.


About CS I think he just learned to control it better
and it did not ma