[Character] The Itachi Club

[sharingonitachi]

he owns all the villains. at least thats what I think what about u guys

[Dweezil]

I think Itachi is one of the strongest characters revealed thus far in the story... but I also think that your avatar is way too big.. change it to something smaller please.

[sharingonitachi]

is my avatar changed now. lol

[Dweezil]

sure is.... thanks much for the cooperation.

[sharingonitachi]

do u think that sasuke will be able to beat itachi now that he is under the influence of oro

[Dweezil]

I'd say Itachi can still wipe the floor with him.. but you never know what the future holds.. Sasuke may beef up and be stronger than ever soon.

[sharingonitachi]

I agree but I think that he's gona go crazy because hes gona have a curse seal 2 however I think that naruto will have a fight with him and beat him. Thats the number one flaw with sasuke hes to damn compettitive

[Kaiwub]

do u think that sasuke will be able to beat itachi now that he is under the influence of oro
No simply because of the type of Anime that it is. This anime likes to stess the fact that fighting for others makes you stronger. What would it teach you if Sasuke kills him because of Oro's powers. He is probably going to kill Itachi far in the future if he kills him at all. There will probably be some kinda side-story about how Itachi didn't do it and Sasuke will forgive him or something.
EDIT- Also he still isn't strong enough.

[The Fifth]

lol I think it's apparent that Itachi did do it...if he suddenly didn't, I'd stop reading the manga probably...just too retarded for me...you're right though, Sasuke will probably never beat Itachi because he doesn't use GOOD powers to do it. Naruto'll probly end up doing it (or helping) which'll be the piss off.

My opinion of Itachi, he's got one kickass shiringan move...I wonder if Sasuke'll ever learn it...but anyways, he's not the awesomest dude ever...the purple fingernails is still kind of a shock and it's funny too...I think Kabuto's a better villan myself but...that's just me...cause he's my favorite character :lol:

[Kaiwub]

lol I think it's apparent that Itachi did do it...if he suddenly didn't, I'd stop reading the manga probably...just too retarded for me...you're right though, Sasuke will probably never beat Itachi because he doesn't use GOOD powers to do it. Naruto'll probly end up doing it (or helping) which'll be the piss off.

My opinion of Itachi, he's got one kickass shiringan move...I wonder if Sasuke'll ever learn it...but anyways, he's not the awesomest dude ever...the purple fingernails is still kind of a shock and it's funny too...I think Kabuto's a better villan myself but...that's just me...cause he's my favorite character :lol:
Naruto has more sence than to kill Itachi Uchiha. If he did Sasuke would probably kill himself and feel worthless.

[Anbu Dr J]

umm Itachi OWNS!!! S-class criminal man!! hes stronger then orochimaru and he said so himself...and oro is part of the 3 sennin..so i doubt anybody could defeat him for a while...naruto would get raped by the mange sharingan though...

[Dweezil]

I swear if Naruto defeats Itachi with the lame fart maneuver... I'll kill myself.

[nawar]

haha that would be funny you know, i dont think your the only one imagin this :

manga chapter 357, naruto kills itachi with kyuby fart, next day on CNN, some journalist : yesterday has the record for the most suicides on the planet ever, with more than 80 thousand suicides all over the world yesterday has had more than 7590 % more suicides in 1 single day compared to an avrage month

[tevoro]

As many of you have stated, it is stressed in the manga that
"you will only be Strong if you fight to protect someone important to you"

In saying that, hows this theory?
Itachi is after Naruto... Sasuke finally realises that hes been a tool and teams up with Naruto to defeat Itachi...(I say defeat because I dont think Itachi will be killed by 2 small kids)

[nawar]

eehm i dont know about that one, it shows that defending someone you gain more determanation, but orochimaru is stronger than hokage and he didnt protect anyone now did he, i think your taking it a tad bit to serious

[The Fifth]

I swear if Naruto defeats Itachi with the lame fart maneuver... I'll kill myself.

As will I...(IT'LL BE A SUIGENOCIDE) Dude if Sasuke teams up with Naruto or some shit to "defeat" Itachi I'll do the same... Sasuke has to be the one to do it, all by his little-bitty self, he wont let it happen any other way. But, heh, I don't think we'll have to worry about anything like that happening for quite a long time anyways.

[itach1]

I wonder if the curse seal will give him his third sharingan wheel? >:]

[priverted-baka]

i agree i don't think sasuke will kill him........sadly for some strange reason i think itachi will show some kind of good side like a sort of redemption (like zabuza) protecting a leaf ninja or sasuke from something......i have no idea why but i just see something that we all would not like happen in the future and that’s my just thought on what may happen.

i would really like too see a duel between sasuke and itachi and both of them die in the battle. But i truly think that sasuke will change from his revengeful thinking thanks to help from naruto (flash backs of the fun they had with each other in team 7.....and the sad music lol) :roll: . This will probably happen after orochimaru teaches him, since orochimaru can't leave his new body after 2 or 3 or whatever years.

[r3pl1c4]

ooh oh wuts that leave newbodies ur talking about for 2 to 3 years to orochimaru

[The Fifth]

man...this sucks....I'm looking forward to the day that Sasuke is actually a good opponent, at least, for Itachi (even more than the Sasuke vs Naruto fight coming up)...but I really don't think (because of the basis of the show) it will happen

[priverted-baka]

ooh oh wuts that leave newbodies ur talking about for 2 to 3 years to orochimaru


yea when he gets a new body he has to be in it for about 1 or 2 years then he has to change or so the manga tells us. So he will have to wait before taking sasukes body so i guess he will train him so he can have a strong body to take.

This leads me to believe there will be a time skip coming (about a year or two) and we will see sasuke evil with new powers thanks to oroc and the rest of the characters at chunin(sp?) level with new powers. because the story will be boring just following naruto and co. train and learn new powers for a couple episodes with no plot.....itachi is way above sasukes level so its no use seeing them fight each other again. and i think the naruto vs sasuke fight will be interrupted and they will fight later when they have new moves and stuff....it would be a more fun fight to watch since they will use moves we have not seen instead of moves we have already seen.

by then itachi should opponents :twisted: ....but that’s all just a thought :shock:

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[BoXs]

i m guessing ... sasuke will kill itachi with in 2 years cus there were hints bout it .... oro cant take sasuke's body until like 2 years later ... sasuke will lose his meaning of life after he kills itachi ... which sums up to ... after sasuke kills itach, he will give his body to oro willingly cus he doesnt have a meaning to go on any more ....

[r3pl1c4]

does that make any sense??? cus did u kno that sasuke is a good guy and u think hes gonne give his body just cause he fulfilled his mission to kill itachi???? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

[BoXs]

well thats wut he said him self ... he said like the only reason y hes still alive is to kill itachi ... kakashin said sumthin like that too... b4 the sound 4 tries to capture sasuke

[Anbu Dr J]

nah sasuke would be way to weak to kill itachi..even if he did grow stronger with oro...remember itachi took down the whole uchia clan and is a S-rank criminal...and he is in that atasuki organization...hes even stronger then oro, so i wouldnt really matter if oro taught sasuke

[DatAsian]

sasuke will lose his meaning of life after he kills itachi ... too bad Sakura isn't high on his list 'eh? :P

[Cresent]

I do like Itachi even though he is a bit creep with the kiling of his clan and walking around with another missing ninja from the mist country that looks like a shark or some type of fish.

to a point I like Itachi.....even though i dislike the ways of other people making slash or yaoi out of every naruto character they can

I need to draw him .. >__>

[ninjagnat]

does that make any sense??? cus did u kno that sasuke is a good guy and u think hes gonne give his body just cause he fulfilled his mission to kill itachi???? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Ummm...agreed. I believe that Sasuke is going along with Oro b/c he knows (after his little 'run in' with Itachi) that there is no way in hell he can even touch him right now. He knows that Oro will power him up beyond anything that he could train for in any reasonable amount of time, and he is going to use that fact to get powerful enough (or so he thinks) to kill Itachi.

Just my prophecy...could be completely wrong! That's what's fun about guessing though! :D

[nawar]

the way things are going now, sasukes jelousy and the power boost he got, will only make him want more, there has to be something devileshly important happening if we want sasuke to return to konoha which i doubt

[ltachi]

I think that if sasuke uses curse lvl2 itachi will just have to start trying some..............................

[itach1]

He won't give up his body even if he kills Itachi. Remember in like ep 3 or around there he said something like "To kill a certain man and the revival of my clan." Obviously he can't revive the Uchiha if he's dead lol.

[Malock]

I Like Uchiha Itachi I think he's a Great character.

-Malock

[Malock]

I think itachi is a good character but it's comfusing I dunno if he's good or evil...

[Koax15]

itachi is awsome, i think that naruto will inspire sasuke to do better, he will go back to leaf and get the seal conatained again, until he gets angry or loses his control. if sasuke is able to defeat itachi and thats a big if, he wont kill him and only find out that hes not worth it and just leave him, either in disgrace or incapacitated.

[64HandsOfHakke]

the one mistake everyone makes is assuming naruto can bring sasuke back..When the fact is clearly that sasuke left BECUASE of Naruto.

I mean, you saw in the hospital room, sasuke wanted to fight naruto for one reason. He wanted to test his strength against naruto, since he defeated gaara(something sasuke could not do).

after the Rasengan/Chidori incident, Sasuke looked up at the completely mangled water tower saying something to the extent of "Just how strong are you naruto?".

Sasuke certainly must of decided that if naruto is that strong..he needs a power boost and fast. Why else would he leave? When the "Weakest Ninja" damn near obliterates your sternum with a ball of pure rotating chakra..that would definately screw up your perception of strength and make you want to be stronger.

Reitterating: Sasuke Left becuase of Naruto's strength.

[Holyeternalx]

itachi is one of those tortured evil types, he killed his clan but he wants sasuke to be strong enough to kill him, hence leaving him alive. as far as sasuke and naruto situation, i agree i think sasuke wants the quikest way to pwer after the double incident of gettin owned by itachi and seeing the effect of naruto's rasengan. if you remember itachi tells sasuke that he did not win because his hatred was not strong enough, so that is another reason why he is probably leaving behind all his friends and that stuff, to really delve more into his hatred

[Hikiro]

I think that Uchiha Itachi is awesome.
but then again Gaara of the desert is also quite cool.

[Tragnael]

I think itachi is a good character but it's comfusing I dunno if he's good or evil...

he murdered his whole family. from the flash backs it would seem his parents were loving enough, yet he had no qualms about murdering any of them. Its safe to say he's evil in my opinion.

Some would defend his actions saying it was a barrier he decided he had to defeat. to test his strengh so it wasn \t an act of evil, those people may then also believ that the terrorists of 9/11 were also just testing themselves and there fore werent evil.

[iamsolid]

Hahah,Itachi is just too effin cool. XD Even though I hate the Uchihas...
But agreed with Hikiro, Gaara is still the best. ;o

[PerniciousJuJu]

we don't really know much about him but that he killed his whole clan and is powerful, so why do you guys like him already? Why is he the coolest villan already? :shock:



Oh! I know! It's because Evilness = sexiness huh? LOL
he's soo mysterious and evil which makes him super sexy!!!
yah, I love Itachi too!!!

[uchihalegend14]

since itachi is the best genjutsu in NARUTO so far and aslo a ninjutsu master i was wondering if he was aslo as good in taijutsu as he is in genjutsu and ninjutsu?

i mean could he have copied other peoples taijutsu like sasuke since we havent seen him use taijutsu that often if he has then he probably is the best so far

in other words is itachi capable of defeating Gai without using ninjutsu or genjutsu using taijutsu alone?

any comments??

[HyuugaGohaN]

He could probably copy someones movements e.g. Gai´s. I think that he dont need taijutsu, because his body and eyes are very fast! my personal opinion :)

[B0ukun]

Itachi knows h2h combat. All ninja know some form of h2h combat. if you can't fight you're not a ninja, you're a wizard.

[HyuugaGohaN]

Itachi knows h2h combat. All ninja know some form of h2h combat. if you can't fight you're not a ninja, you're a wizard.

Perhaps he wanted to know if Itachi know some special taijutsu!

[B0ukun]

Well, his spinning back kick is superb and seems to be a prefered attack of his. Having Been in ANBU says he's got a pretty well rounded skill set. Hopefully he doesn't know any of that crap Gai and Lee and Sasuke do. Little Japanese kids doing African/Brazilian martial arts. Just hum bug.

[HyuugaGohaN]

Also he is good with swords like every other ANBU member!

[Azure Wrath]

he slaughtered most of the uchiha village with a katana (or so it seems from the pics we've seen)... thats gotta mean something for his taijutsu

i think itachi is a god, he is SOOO cool... if i was a chick, i would have an itachi altar and call my dog itachi

[HyuugaGohaN]

he slaughtered most of the uchiha village with a katana (or so it seems from the pics we've seen)... thats gotta mean something for his taijutsu

i think itachi is a god, he is SOOO cool... if i was a chick, i would have an itachi altar and call my dog itachi

Would you sacrifice me if I was a chick, too???

[superkhanh0]

Itachi knows h2h combat. All ninja know some form of h2h combat. if you can't fight you're not a ninja, you're a wizard.

omg hahaha ur funny :D but true
itachi doesnt need to copy h2h combat from anyone, he got enuf already
and even if he copy GAi or sumbody his body cant physicly catch up w it.

[HyuugaGohaN]

But Itachi´ s arms are very fast! Even Kakashi couldnt see it

[B0ukun]

thats right, but it seems that Uchiha are just fast for no good reason. I think it has something to do with their ability to see through movments and anticipate them easily. Its just a hunch but if you can anticipate things so easily and your body is adept at high speed movement then it shouldn't be hard to develop a type of super speed.

[superkhanh0]

thats part of his sharingan illusion i think...

[HyuugaGohaN]

But not every member of Uchiha clan has sharingan! so not everyone has chance to build up high speed body :)

[jounin101]

i would say itachi is well rounded and very high in nin/gen/taijutsu. i would say more, but it was already said by others...

[Illusionist]

Itachi's weakness?? If he was to be rounded very highly in all three wouldnt his weakness be little to none?

[B0ukun]

His weakness seems to be a reliance on MS since its an eye jutsu. there for Nin such as Lee and Gai would have a slight advantage over him since they do not have to look into their opponents eyes to follow their movements. IT's actually better in fighting not to look at the eyes since they can lie. As h2h fighters they know this.

[sharingan_user]

His weakness seems to be a reliance on MS since its an eye jutsu. there for Nin such as Lee and Gai would have a slight advantage over him since they do not have to look into their opponents eyes to follow their movements. IT's actually better in fighting not to look at the eyes since they can lie. As h2h fighters they know this.

lee an gai would have an advantage over him? itachi is very good in taijutsu too......even if they don't look at his eyes, it will still be very dificult to defeat him...

[Illusionist]

lol if they look at Itachi's feet then Itachi casts ninjutsu and pwns lee and Gai. I doubt that Itachi's taijutsu is better than Gai's. I would say Itachi would lose if he fought Gai using only Taijutsu

[B0ukun]

Itachi's skills are more suspect than reality. The only thing we can sorta be sure he can do is Katon Justu since it's an Uchiha thing. He's a genjutsu user. Just because he beats up on his younger slower brother doesn't make him a taijutsu genius. His taijutsu is probably average as Jounin go, his emense Genjutsu ability is what makes him over the top dangerus.

[Spriggan430]

I think his taijutsu is a little above jounin level... But i dont think he is as good as people are saying.. but he is a genuis in the other 2 areas.... so his taijutsu is more of the backup type thing imo

[Illusionist]

I think his taijutsu is a little above jounin level... But i dont think he is as good as people are saying.. but he is a genuis in the other 2 areas.... so his taijutsu is more of the backup type thing imo

Why is his Taijutsu a little above jounin level? People use the word genius wayyy too much in Naruto. How do you know Itachi is a ninjutsu genius?

[B0ukun]

Why is his Taijutsu a little above jounin level? People use the word genius wayyy too much in Naruto. How do you know Itachi is a ninjutsu genius?

Because he was in ANBU at 13. Kakashi wasn't even in Anbu at 13 i don't believe. He also graduated the academy at 7 and master sharingan at 8. That sounds like a jeanius level product to me :D (Akademiks pun)

[Spriggan430]

I agree.. but you make a point, but so far he seems to be a genuis in his genjutsu and from what i have a feeling of i think he has some good ninjutsu.. he is also fast as hell maken his ninjutsu invisible to the eye so how can you follow that be tought to fight if you dont even see what is coming at all

[mandelak]

i think he is good at everything he probably does all the hand signs but no one can see them coz its to fast, he hypnotise them and then does the hand signs then he attacks

[sakurachanhaha]

ya i guess he could copy some tai jutsu moves

[sakurachanhaha]

but he really wouldnt need them

[Spriggan430]

Ya i thought when he first fights kakashi they say "huh his handsigns are faster than i can even see w/ the sharingan, or like to fast to follow

[B0ukun]

He did say something along the lines of that. Which makes his ninjutsu dangerous.

As far as copying taijutsu, it's usless if he can't perform the movements with his body.

Sackurachanhaha, people will begin to become very short with you if you continue to double post. Just press the edit button on the lower right hand side of your post when needed add the word EDIT: next to what you are adding. Othan that ust wait for someone else to post before you post a second time.

[Spriggan430]

Well as far as taijutsu i think he is probably pretty good but... Im sure he has his own style of taijutsu, thats something not everyone can just copy and due... and are you sure sharingan can copy taijutsu i never knew that... i thought he could only copy the handsigns and such of it w/ sharingan.. i might be incorrect... and his ninjutsu w/ his speed.. even if he doesnt do super powerful hits if he consecutively hits you and uses them to distract you to get a bigger hit in then could be dangerous thing right there

[B0ukun]

The sharingan was how Sasuke got so good at Taijutsu, he copied Lee's movements and then Kakashi had him practice them. Remember during the chunnin exam when Kakashi was explaining how he got so good so quickly.

"I told him to think of Lee"

Sasuke could see lee's movements during the fight they had. He just trained his body to be able to do them.

[Ichee]

but he really wouldnt need them

What the fuck. Two pointless post your such a brainless bastard..lmao

Itachi is a big wig. Thats it and Thats all

[Spriggan430]

ichee why are you so hostile toward someone who makes a comment based off their own opinions.. seeing how that is the point of the forums.. you could disagree w/o insulting them.... anyway you make a good point i forgot about kakashi training sasuke in that area

[mandelak]

What the fuck. Two pointless post your such a brainless bastard..lmao

Itachi is a big wig. Thats it and Thats all

man u need to calm down ur gettin on ppls nerves with this swearing at ppl. firstly its over the net makes ppl think u got nothing better to do than stay online looking for ppl to insult which is probably true since thats all u do. just calm down take it easy. have a break go outside get some fresh air clear ya head and come back and respect wat ppl have to say if u disagree just be like well wat about this dont go all crazy for no reason shiet!!! ppl these days

[KageNaruto]

you guys are new, but get used to ichee and accept his ways. hes always like this and shall remain like this.

as to why hes not banned, mystery. but dont make posts telling ichee not to do things, its considered like spam lol

[mandelak]

oh ok kool no more spam. anyways wat did he mean by itachi is a big wig???

[Spriggan430]

alright kagenaruto if you say so... but ima wait for his reply that wil lgo something to the effect of Go F*ck urself you F*cken worthles piece of trash and so on.. anyway Ill let it go i just dont see any reason behind it...sorry for the spam.. back to thread... I really want to see Itachi's character unfold his true intentions and his complete arsenal of abilities/strength

[Kratos]

I think Ichee just got off of a two week ban, and it looks like it won't take long until he is banned again.

EDIT: So this isn't spam, I think Itachi hasn't showed us all that he is capable of.

[Spriggan430]

very true i have said it before.. so far it seems like he has simply toyed/avoided total conflict..... he seems to understand that he doesnt need to fight unnecessary fights

[mandelak]

yeah also he might be studying everybody, to kno there skill but since jiraya hasnt faught back yet he wouldnt kno and tachi i think mostly watches so when he does have to fight he knows there moves and how to stop them b4 they do anything, maybe thats y his sharingan is always on well mostly always on so he can use it to copy pplwithout them noticing he is just watching there moves.

[Spriggan430]

I like this theory.. it would seem to why when he gets into conflict he seems very passive as to wait for them to use their moves to observe them... and uses minimal jutsu and reveals as lil as possible.. this suits his personality very well.. No toying straight to business...

[.Sage.]

since itachi is the best genjutsu in NARUTO so far and aslo a ninjutsu master i was wondering if he was aslo as good in taijutsu as he is in genjutsu and ninjutsu?

i mean could he have copied other peoples taijutsu like sasuke since we havent seen him use taijutsu that often if he has then he probably is the best so far

in other words is itachi capable of defeating Gai without using ninjutsu or genjutsu using taijutsu alone?

any comments??

You are probably correct...

[mandelak]

yeah i reckon he is better at taijutsu than gai, but he knows he cant fool around with gai because he said that kisame he said something like dont take this guy to lightly or something similar lol dont remember but they left in the end.

[regina777]

You are probably correct...

the guy was asking a question-- and you are answering by saying that he is probably right :confused: :p

yeah i reckon he is better at taijutsu than gai, but he knows he cant fool around with gai because he said that kisame he said something like dont take this guy to lightly or something similar lol dont remember but they left in the end.

Of all the taijutsu users depicted in the series- Gai has been shown to be the strongest (outside of the Hyuuga's kekkei genkai and jyuuken taijutsu)-- what evidence does one have to even reckon that itachi has a better taijutsu?

[mandelak]

i reckon because wen gai entered the scene he was calm, but i guess he is always like that. so mybe his heart was punding but we'll never know since he has the best poker face eva

[regina777]

i reckon because wen gai entered the scene he was calm, but i guess he is always like that. so mybe his heart was punding but we'll never know since he has the best poker face eva

everybody's heart pounds when they are exerting energy- ergo fighting. i dont think Gai's heart was the only one pounding.

then again- does a pounding heart or a calm personality determine the strength of ones taijutsu or in general terms one's technique?

[KageNaruto]

nah, imo gai would beat itachi in a taijutsu battle. so far from what ive seen hed probably beat everyone in plain taijutsu fight w/out any weapons from the akatsuki... kakuzu looks like his only competitor

not counting sasori cause hes spring-loaded with booby traps

[mandelak]

i didnt mean gai i meant itachis heart was probably pounding, sorry didnt explain wat i meant properly, anywys maybe gai is to fast for him so he wouldnt wanna take gai on.

question: if gai is moving constantly he cant be aught in MS right since he is so fast and all?

even that i think itachi is someone that can adapt to ppls fighting skils no matter the situation im saying he looks like the type that could adjust him self to take any apponent on

[.Sage.]

the guy was asking a question-- and you are answering by saying that he is probably right :confused: :p



Of all the taijutsu users depicted in the series- Gai has been shown to be the strongest (outside of the Hyuuga's kekkei genkai and jyuuken taijutsu)-- what evidence does one have to even reckon that itachi has a better taijutsu?

Well...I was agreeing...He was asking if Itachi could be really good in tai jutsu...
I guess I was wrong in saying "You are probably right." I should have said "I think he would be good in tai jutsu."

[B0ukun]

I don't think itachi is as good in taijutsu as gai probably not even close. Gai specializes in Taijutsu as to say of all his skills that's what he spends most of his time practicing. itachi seems to be more of a genjutsu ninjutsu specialist. To be that good in Taijutsu means to neglect other skills and focus mainly on the body. Granted the sharingan would allow him to keep up vision wise but as Lee said to Sasuke. It doesn't matter if you can see them if your body can't react to the movements.

[mandelak]

but sasulke was able to keep up with naruto and i think that time naruto went kyuubi on him he was fast but then i guess after he went 1 tailed he couldnt keep up anymore so there is probably a speed limit it can keep up with

[B0ukun]

But Sasuke spent a month learning high speed taijutsu so that he could use Chidori. He may not be as good technique wise but Sasuke is definately as fast as Lee. Also once Sasuke stopped using the Cursed seal and watched Naruto, his sharingan evolved and he was able to see a before and after image of Naruto's movements.

[mandelak]

yeah but once naruto went to the 1tk mode he could follow his movements he could see them but he wasnt able to stop them

[B0ukun]

Hmmm, Oh yeah thats right. I remeber now. Sasuke spat a katon naruto ran through it and all that jazz. Thats when Sasuke had realized how to master the cursed seal and went level three. He used the black chidori and put Naruto to sleep. But then again, Sasuke may not have been fast enough to keep up with his movements.

[jounin101]

no, CS level 2, not 3.
but he could read naruto's movements, he said something about the chakra was moving on its own accord. thats what he couldnt read.

have we seen itachi do any taijutsu??? i remember him countering chidori so easily, but thats about it, and that could be because of the sharingan. i know he's physically strong, but doing a back kick doesnt mean he mastered anything.

[mandelak]

still that chakra is apart of naruto, so he couldnt read narutos movements

well chidori is better when he is charging fast thats y he stood on that big wall against garaa, so maybe he didnt get enough speed space in that little hall they were in so it couldnt be used to its full power. but still he got smashed

[B0ukun]

Nah, what it was is that Itachi moved Sasuke's had out of the way. He grabed the wrist and aimed the chidotri toward the wall.

And thanks for the correction ichigo.

[Spriggan430]

Ye.... also guys i think itachi is fast enoug hto keep up w/ gai but the simple fact he probably isn't as good in taijutsu is probalby correct.. he might be good but i dont think he is the master that gai is.. sinec gai rely's solely on taijutsu for his fights you would reckon he is the best taijutsu.. I think itachi is as fast but not as good in taijutsu

[Collateral]

itachi just dont need to be as fast as gai cause with his sharingan he can see his movements even if he is slower he can beat him in tajutsu only

[KageNaruto]

itachi just dont need to be as fast as gai cause with his sharingan he can see his movements even if he is slower he can beat him in tajutsu only

not a chance. even if you see movements, there are tons of attacks you can do that cant be dodged nor countered.

[Spriggan430]

I agree.. and if gai is that much faster then itachi as your implying then itachi coudlnt counter what his body cant react to....

[KageNaruto]

sigh, its not just about speed! in fact, speed alone will barely effect the fight. speed matters, but it has to be incorporated into your movements which have to have great from and be effective from the beggining

everyone on the forums acts like speed is the biggest factor

[Spriggan430]

Well all i was trying to say is that... if his body cant keep up it does him no use for him to see the movement w/ that sharingan that is all i was trying to say.... speed matters but only if used correctly

[Hollister]

so does anyone believe in that tengo king theory? or is it a pile of crap? i think its crap

[Spriggan430]

I am a believe in it there seems to be too many consequences for atleast part of the story to be correct... and seeing how kishi has used other folklore and such incoporated into the story such as orochimaru, jaraiya.. oro's sword (Forgot name).. and some other things.. I do believe that it has some truth if not alot to it

[KageNaruto]

nah, im sick of it. speed is plain overrated.

even super fast guys can be stopped with a slow tactical and correctly timed strike

ever since the gaara lee fight all anyone thinks about is speed, its just annoying now.

[Spriggan430]

I see wehre your coming from... I just think that people are over rating his taijutsu.. he is fast and may be ok at taijutsu but gai is faster/ better at taijutsu since that is all he focuses on

[Auske13]

im sure he has some jutsus up his sleeve like wen he summoned the turtle

plus maybe he's imune to dying during the 7th gate

that wuld be cool cuz then he wuld have the power of kage

maybe cuz he went 6th gate and nothing happened and lee went 4 gates and almost died without Garra hitting him

[Spriggan430]

I dont know... but i still say people over rate itachi compared to gai in pure taijutsu

[Auske13]

but itachi is better then the blu guy and gai had to go 6 gates to kill him at 30% so iunno

[Spriggan430]

ya but that wasn't just pure taijutsu..... were not stating that he couldn't beat him.. were saying on a taijutsu vs taijutsu lvl imo i think gai would win

[Arty]

but itachi is better then the blu guy and gai had to go 6 gates to kill him at 30% so iunno

Actualy he opened 1 gate.. read the manga again plz

for the Itachi thing.. Im pretty sure Itachi is a master in Taijutsu no matter how you look at it.

He also has more than 1 element type aside from fire and from the looks of his Fire Abilitys we can expect him to be almost equal to the other element making him a splendid Ninjutsu user.

Hes a master in Genjutsu

He has the Sharingan

He has speed that even Kakashis Sharingan cant counter and Kakashi could counter Gai.....

Just from those things i seriusly doubt that a mere tai user can stand up to him.

He has speed that even Kakashis Sharingan cant counter and Kakashi could counter Gai.....
The gates .. are ofc trouble but judging on what we have seen i feel pretty sure they can be easy counterd with Genjutsu

[Spriggan430]

first of all..... it is 6 gates on kisame..... he goes straight to the 6th gate... also wehre does it state/show that he has more than 1 ele aside from from?..... show me a chap plz.... his handsigns is what he coudlnt see.. .but still gai is probably more effective in taijutsu.. but all out im guesing that itachi would win....

[KageNaruto]

Actualy he opened 1 gate.. read the manga again plz

for the Itachi thing.. Im pretty sure Itachi is a master in Taijutsu no matter how you look at it.

He also has more than 1 element type aside from fire and from the looks of his Fire Abilitys we can expect him to be almost equal to the other element making him a splendid Ninjutsu user.

Hes a master in Genjutsu

He has the Sharingan

He has speed that even Kakashis Sharingan cant counter and Kakashi could counter Gai.....

Just from those things i seriusly doubt that a mere tai user can stand up to him.

He has speed that even Kakashis Sharingan cant counter and Kakashi could counter Gai.....
The gates .. are ofc trouble but judging on what we have seen i feel pretty sure they can be easy counterd with Genjutsu


6 gates

taijutsu master? you conclude this from nothing

more than 1 element? yeah, but all we saw was fire and water. if he has other we dont know, but safe to assume. but were talking about pure taijutsu

kakashi could follow itachi, his handseals were super fast, thats what he had trouble keeping up with.

and this is a taijutsu on taijutsu comparison, pure hand to hand

[Auske13]

well i think gai wuld win and plus if u look at him it looks like he has weights on like lee's
and if u read in the lower chapters it sauske a month to master lee's taijutsu which i doubt is even close to Gai's
so tai to tai between Itachi and Gai
Gai wuld kick the crap out of him
or wen sauske and naruto fought and naruto went demon speed he could barely see that speed and im sure that that was lee's average speed

[Spriggan430]

anyone mind tell me the chapter/fight that he used a water jutsu i dont remember it...anyway, this has been a h2h discussion for like the last quite a few post.. ya pure h2h gai would win... if it was like all vs all i think itachi but i wanna know if gai has a couple of ninjutsu...even though he is primarily taijutsu (obviously)

[Auske13]

there is no water justsu there thinking that from wen he fought the blue guy and walked on the water im sure thats wut they r thinking
yea if it wasn't tai to tai itachi wuld beat him by far

[Spriggan430]

no thats chakra controlling technique.. and i know kagenaruto knows better then that.... mainly b/c of itachi's ability to hit gai from longer range..

[jounin101]

and we havent seen h2h from itachi. he does hand signs really fast(ninjutsu) and he caught sasuke's chidori mainly due to the sharingan. kicking the hell out of somebody doesnt make you a taijutsu master, and i seriously doubt kakashi/lee/sasuke/naruto/itachi are on gai's level of taijutsu.

i'm not saying itachi is lacking taijutsu, but he aint no master from what we've seen so far. good...hell yeah. great...quite possibly. but master...slow down.

and it was 6 gates to do that peacock justu, he said "6th gate open!"

as for itachi doing a water jutsu, i think thats due to the sharingan IF he did
. kakashi can do earth, water, and lightning like nothing so i think he copied them from others and lightning is his true affinity(chidori is his only original jutsu)

[Auske13]

were talking bout gai doing water jutsu and im sure he does but i dont remember anything about water coming from itachi nor gai

also itachi has to be good with h2h cuz he killed the whole uchiha clan i mean wtf do u think he wuld suk

[Spriggan430]

yes very true... I think itachi is probably good at taijutsu b/c of the sharingan like how sasuke learned from lee.. and kakashi is said to be very good at taijutsu like maybe on w/ lee.. but not said to be w/ gai.. i say gai has best taijutsu out of the narutoverse from what we have seen.. unless you can name smoene better... no we were talking about itachi using a water jutsu.. from what haldorur said.. i dont remember hwen he does it (a reminder would be nice if someone remembers)

[KageNaruto]

no, itachi did something like "water drill no jutsu" against kakashi. back on thier first encounter

and we havent seen a water jutsu like that before, it was his own

[Spriggan430]

oh ok..... I'll have to go watch that.. I remember kakashi blocking itachi's jutsu w/ a water jutsu ( or maybe im confused and didnt watch carefully enough)

[jounin101]

Gai doesnt do a water jutsu, he's Gai!
and yeah, itachi did do a water jutsu, i remember it too now. maybe its from the sharingan, after all, kisame is his partner...

[narutofanone]

Itachi is a superb ninja. He may not show much h2h combat in battle, but he is likely very proficient in that area as well. I wonder what it would take to beat him. Gai's counter to Itachi works to some extent, but no one has come close enough yet except for maybe Jiraiya.

[Spriggan430]

Well, itachi hasn't ever really truly fought someone to the end... and it works both ways he hasn't fought someone at his upmost... but still i dont see his hand 2 hand being as strong as gais even if he is good

[mandelak]

itachi maybe first time they fight would just mostly not do much but dodge attacks or wteva purposly to learn the way he moves and fights then next time they meet he will have a counter for him

[Spriggan430]

quite possible... i still think that he can think of stuff on the spot like shika.. maybe not as quick or as good but something like that... he is more of a strategist but is still really powerful...

[narutofanone]

Itachi is good because of his genius and his sharingan. Gai's counter measures worked specifically to defend against the super genjutsus. It would be awkward if Lee beat Sasuke instead of Naruto by learning the counters from Gai.

[Spriggan430]

I really want to see itachi stay and fight a full fight that challenges him and displays his abilities to the fullest to us

[mandelak]

yeah but he wont he probably like shika in the way he thinks everything is to troublesome. but if he must he will

[Spriggan430]

lol, that is a good analysis i never thought of him like shika... but he does avoid every situation that he possibly can

[Auske13]

i think he copied kakashi's water jutsu to stop it
and im sure gai wuld still win cuz im still going with him having weights on
but in the end i wuld enjoy watchin it =)

[Spriggan430]

i think itachi threw some shurikans at him and he used that to block them.. or something i dont remember he might'ved countered itachi's water jutsu' w/ a water jutsu or his own i dont remember

[KageNaruto]

in a pure taijutsu fight, technically sharingan wouldnt even be aloud, its a dojutsu after all, lol

[Auske13]

me neither but i would really like to see naruto vs sauske now and jiriya vs oruchimaru

[Spriggan430]

kagenaruto, so if you could clarify for me.. did itachi do the water jutsu and i remember him saying something about kakashi countering it w/ something at the last minute is that correct??

[mandelak]

stuff ORO he is gay, jiraya itachi since thats who ppl are yet to see use there full strengths, that would be an awsome fight

[Auske13]

i think so but i doubt i really no cuz i dont remember it

i think a good battle would be
kakashi and blue guy (i wish i new his name)
gai vs itachi

kakashi will go toe to toe with his water jutsus and with the sharingan he will be able to dodge his slow but powerful blows

gai will go almost fast enough for itachi not to see him and easily dodge his moves but one hit from itachi and gai's done so iunno

[Spriggan430]

kisame is the "blue guy".... and kakashi is lightning based jutsu such as his chidori are his mian... gai can take more than one hit.. unless its his MS thing... then he could kill him in the genjutsu... or use amaterasu and rape him

[Auske13]

but since lee can fight from reflexeses im sure gai can fight with his eyes closed

and since kakashi can go toe to toe with the water jutsu he can also make his lightning jutsus more powerful

i forgot about kakashi's lightning based attacks o_o
dumb me

but gai can still get close for a straight tai user

im sure he can get closer then kakashi

[br4nd0nh347]

but sasulke was able to keep up with naruto and i think that time naruto went kyuubi on him he was fast but then i guess after he went 1 tailed he couldnt keep up anymore so there is probably a speed limit it can keep up with

wasn't it also the fact that his chakra moved at a different speed than him?
Sasuke was able to dodge naruto but not the other movements.

[Spriggan430]

i think that was part of it, yes

[Auske13]

yea plus that was the first time sauske had it at 3 dots while itachi's had it for a while

[mandelak]

yea wat about that punch naruto gave him after going 1tk and sasuke was holding his face

[Auske13]

i dont understand wut u said

[mandelak]

while naruto was going 1tk he punched sasuke in the face and sasuke was holidng his face in pain then naruto was sorta scream roaring

[Spriggan430]

i think that itachi is going to do something totally expected and betray akatsuki and show his true intentions

[Auske13]

o yea
plus sauske had to take shortcuts to become strong while naruto went straight training

[br4nd0nh347]

i think that was part of it, yes

328 posts and you joined in Jan 2007 wow, I just joined a few secs ago

[Auske13]

i've only got like 60 and i joined 2 days ago

b4 u try dont double post

[Arty]

first of all..... it is 6 gates on kisame..... he goes straight to the 6th gate... also wehre does it state/show that he has more than 1 ele aside from from?..... show me a chap plz.... his handsigns is what he coudlnt see.. .but still gai is probably more effective in taijutsu.. but all out im guesing that itachi would win....

Ahh... since you want it in a form of a list

1. Opening 6 gates takes alot of time m8.. astleast 10secs gate and you dont need to go through all the gates to open a specific one.... He only used 1 gate and that was the 6th. Plz read it again
2.He was a jounin meaning he has more than 2 Types since it a req
3.The fact that he can move his hands so fast that sharingan cant predict it counter would be considers pretty fast. Gai had to develop a special tech so that he could avoid Kakashis Sharingan.. Itachi just overpowerd it with speed

[Spriggan430]

.... WHy are you telling me to read it again.. i stated that he went to the 6th gate O_o .... also i dont remember it saying its a requirement if your refering to kakashi's comment it says that jounin normally please note normally learn to manip more than one type of chakra.... plus just b/c he is faster doesn't mean that he can't be hit w/ a well planned and well executed attack.... also I tend to think Gai has weights like lee that he never takes off seeing how he told lee to start training w/ those nehow

[narutofanone]

The idea of Gai using weights is likely. He doesn't take them of because he probably keeps them on in case the enemy attempts to cripple him by striking his legs like that guy did to Lee with the kou sa ho(intercepting jutsu).

[KageNaruto]

Ahh... since you want it in a form of a list

1. Opening 6 gates takes alot of time m8.. astleast 10secs gate and you dont need to go through all the gates to open a specific one.... He only used 1 gate and that was the 6th. Plz read it again
2.He was a jounin meaning he has more than 2 Types since it a req
3.The fact that he can move his hands so fast that sharingan cant predict it counter would be considers pretty fast. Gai had to develop a special tech so that he could avoid Kakashis Sharingan.. Itachi just overpowerd it with speed

1. where did you pull this from? opening the first gate takes a second first off. lee took a long time, but who says gai takes a long time opening gates? he could easily go up to 6 in 10 seconds

2. having 2 types of chakra is not a requirement for a jounin-_-

3. predict but cant do anything to counter. theres tons of martial art moves like these

and imo, gai went all 6 gates, kishi didnt want to show so many panles though. he created enough chakra when he did it to completely destroy kisame's shark jutsu as well as push all the water around him away, thats a lot of chakra released for a guy who doesent even use jutsus that much. theres no way that was the power of just one gate.

and why would they call it "6th" gate if they dont go in order. they wouldnt be numbered if you can open any in any order

[Auske13]

Ya cuz they say they have at least but you dont have to have more than 2.
Plus Lee was all worn out from the fight with Garra so maybe he can even do it faster

[B0ukun]

If this is about itachi fighting Gai, unless Gai has a good jutsu set then he's going to eventually lose. Kicking fire usually means your leg gets burned. I mean I'm all about h2h combat and love to see it and do it. The problem is, you never bring a knife to a gun fight and thats essentially what gai would be doing.

Now if Gai is indeed wearing weights and he takes them off, he may be able to get some good hits on Itachi but Itachi is very fast in his own right. Fighting handicapped like that would get Gai killed.

[liloyeng]

itachi fighting gai hehehehe gai will die. itachi is too much important bad guy to be that weak.

[B0ukun]

it's not that because Gai is a improtant sub character, it's just that his moveset isn't one that apparently does well against long range Opponents. Itachi has what seems to be a mid to long range style that uses taijutsu for back-up. He can fight up close but doesn't have to, gai does have to fight up close which is why he's better suited for fighting Kisame.

[narutofanone]

Itachi is versatile and Gai is close combat fighting specialist. We don't really see him employ ninjutsu or genjutsu except for the turtle. Gai would have to have a super good technique to bring Itachi down.

[KageNaruto]

the argument was originally itachi vs gai pure taijutsu fight. thats an obvious for gai, some people just dont accept it

[narutofanone]

I guess. Itachi does seem to have more skill at being graceful than strong. Kisame is the strong one of the two. Itachi is the brains of the two. They complement each other and that's why they are a pair.

[Auske13]

were talking about hand 2 hand combat so the fire would be not in it were seeing if itachi's taijutsu could go toe to toe with gai's

[narutofanone]

The guy has had a messed up life. He had no respect for rules which he felt were below him. He went bad ass and made Sasuke's life a living nightmare.

[Ichee]

Itachi fighting Gai hand to hand wouldn't necessarily happen. Gai would try to fight Itachi with that dumb shit and he will get killed.

[Arty]

Ye well aside from the fact that Itachi wouldnt lower him self to the lvl of Gai going gay Taj with all his Genjutsu im sure he would win him anyway. You say speed isnt the most importnant thing in combat aside from stamina and it clearly shows your lack of knowledge in martial arts

Ofc you can counter fast attacks but hey... COUNTERS CAN BE COUNTERD AND WITH THE EYE OF INSIGHT A COUNTER WOULD SEEM LIKE A NORMAL ATTACK!!!!!.

With Itachi being fast, calm , clever dirty i dont c him loosing to a man in a green latex suit

[narutofanone]

If Itachi fought Gai, he'd come in close, parry Gai's attack, use a paralyzing jutsu and pummel the hell out of Gai by any means.

[HyuugaGohaN]

Ye well aside from the fact that Itachi wouldnt lower him self to the lvl of Gai going gay Taj with all his Genjutsu im sure he would win him anyway. You say speed isnt the most importnant thing in combat aside from stamina and it clearly shows your lack of knowledge in martial arts

Ofc you can counter fast attacks but hey... COUNTERS CAN BE COUNTERD AND WITH THE EYE OF INSIGHT A COUNTER WOULD SEEM LIKE A NORMAL ATTACK!!!!!.

With Itachi being fast, calm , clever dirty i dont c him loosing to a man in a green latex suit

green latex suit xD :D:D:D:D

[aldaron]

To answer your question about Itachi's taijutso, he obviously has magnificent taijutsu. Not just good, magnificent. Why? Now I am not some Sharingan fanboy, but just the way it is built, it leads itself to extraordinary taijutsu capability.

After Sasuke gained the 3 tomo Sharingan, he could view all the movements, and even predict the next image, of 1TK Naruto...

Seeing and even predicting your opponents moves are both obvious advantages when viewing a fight in terms of hand to hand combat.

Now Lee did inform us that seeing the next move is useless if you are not fast enough to respond, though this doesn't apply to Itachi.

Sasuke, post-time skip, upon seeing Naruto in the mini-crater, moved so fast a Special Jounin such as Yamato could not keep up with his speed...and Sasuke effectively implied that he was not at Itachi's level yet, so assuming that Itachi is faster is acceptable.

Meaning of course, not only is Itachi capable of seeing and predicting his opponent's next moves, he is more than capable of responding.

Itachi's ninjutsu = Magnificent.

Itachi's genjutsu = Magnificent.

Itachi's taijutsu = Magnificent.

This guy is a monster. Period.

[HyuugaGohaN]

and also his look is magnificient (so cold) :p

[B0ukun]

Gai however is faster than Naruto. He's faster than Lee. He probably wears weights as lee does. If Itachi is that fast Kisame wouldn't have been so awe struck at the speed Gai was moving at six gates. Not saying Gai would win because he wouldn't. it just that if he went all out Taijutsu wise, he more than likely would give a decent fight before dying. Also just cause Itachi is fast doesn't mean he's got good taijutsu. It still takes training and skill to defend against it. Sasuke trained to be able to fight that well and IMO he's not skill wise as good as Lee he's slilghtly below him in terms of skill and strength, the sharingan however is the great equalizer.

[narutofanone]

Aldaron. You can't say that Itachi s magnificent overall. We've only seen his best usign ninjutsu and genjutsu. Hia taijutsu skill level has yet to be properly explored to evaluate him in comparison to others in the Naruto world.

[B0ukun]

I've said it before. His Taijutsu is probably at the level of an average Jounin. His Ninjutsu is higher, probably high Jounin, His Genjutsu is definately kage Level if not Sannin level.

Can Gai beat itachi, no. Can guy throw a better punch than Itachi, definately.

[Ichee]

But can Gai land that punch on Itachi?

I say Hell no. Kakashi came from underground to uppercut Itachi but he missed.

[san.]

With the Eight Gates open, I think he is able to hit him til Itachi comes out with a good distance strategy

[jounin101]

Why would he open 8 gates?? for a power that is temporarily above a hokage's b4 he dies? thatll be pretty dumb. if so, he better make it a 1 hit K.O, and make sure the sharingan cant detect it at all. Gai=no match for itachi. itll be like a neo Rock Lee vs neo Sasuke match. sasuke would own lee not.

[B0ukun]

I don't think he would need 8 gates to put up a fight, 6 should be good to die like a man.

[narutofanone]

Yeah. Gai would at most use 7 gates. He likes to fight but not at the risk of his life unless that kind of a sacrifice is absolutely necessary and beneficial.

[KageNaruto]

imo, gai with 8 gates can beat anybody in the series, except maybe the 4th since he can run away and gai's timer would expire and hed die

[narutofanone]

Yondaime wouldn't run. He'd summon Bunta and have Bunta use suiton tepppoudama or some oil with a fire jutsu to affect damage a large enough area to kill Gai no matter where he is and how fast he is.

[aldaron]

Narutofanone, while you are correct in stating that the manga has not actually given sufficient first-degree evidence to formulate an opinion on Itachi's taijutsu, you are incorrect in stating that we cannot formulate one nonetheless.

Based on what the author has told us about the properties of the Sharingan, it's evident weaknesses (one being sight is useless if the body cannot react (though technically not a weakness of the sharingan per se)), and Sasuke's speed in relation to Itachi's overall level, we can formulate a pretty good opinion.

First, Sasuke, without breaking a sweat, and before releasing any of the cursed seal, moves so fast that a HIGH SPECIAL Jounin like Yamato can barely keep up with him, just in terms of sight, let alone actual movement. Sasuke states that he is still not on the level of Itachi, and this allows us the readers to assume even after the second level release of the cursed seal, which would increase Sasuke's speed exponentially. If Itachi is faster than Sasuke even after the second level release, he obviously has to have speed much much higher than an average Jounin. Add the Sharingan, with the 3-tomo super sight, Itachi's obvious experience and capability to utilize this advantage, and the fact that his speed is extraordinary, one can easily state that his taijutsu is magnificent.

Now I understand that others have argued that there are other components to taijutsu than speed, but according to the author, in this world speed is the most essential. Rock Lee removed his weights to become faster, Kakashi trained Sasuke to move at Lee's speed to use Chidori effectively, and when Gaara saved Lee in the Kimimaru fight, he mentioned that Lee's speed was lower than when he fought him.

And also, if observed from the realistic point of view, speed of a kick really is the strength of it. It may be argued that speed AND strength are required, but, doesn't the velocity at which the mass (either a fist or a leg) moves equate directly to the strength?

Itachi obviously has the speed, and with the Sharingan, the ability to react to high speeds of battle. Additionally, with his obvious immense battle experience, he can utilize all of this effectively.

So, tell me again, how can one not state that Itachi has magnificent taijutsu, and, along with his magnificent ninjutsu and genjutsu, how can one not state that he IS a magnificent ninja?

[KageNaruto]

Yondaime wouldn't run. He'd summon Bunta and have Bunta use suiton tepppoudama or some oil with a fire jutsu to affect damage a large enough area to kill Gai no matter where he is and how fast he is.

you expect him to do the seals and summon him fast enough before gai connects and kills him off? i sure as hell dont.

aldron, 1 point i just felt like adressing, speed is usually sacrificed for power and vice versa. im a black belt at taek (you could call me a newbie black belt cause i just turned one), and most kicks that are preformed extremely quick are quite week.

a jumping roundhouse which is supposed to be very quick has much less power than a normal roundhouse.

[aldaron]

I don't feel like delving into the semantics of speed vs. power, I was just commenting that in this manga speed seems to be the major component of taijutsu.

Also, on the topic of jumping roundhouse kicks...as a 7 year practitioner of Brazilian Jiu Jutsu, that made me cringe haha. I am not going to criticize another art, but one of the first lessons we learned was to never turn your back (roundhouse) to your opponent, and never leave the ground (jumping).

Haha, it's just a conflict of theories between two arts, but that combination made cringe lol.

[KageNaruto]

I don't feel like delving into the semantics of speed vs. power, I was just commenting that in this manga speed seems to be the major component of taijutsu.

Also, on the topic of jumping roundhouse kicks...as a 7 year practitioner of Brazilian Jiu Jutsu, that made me cringe haha. I am not going to criticize another art, but one of the first lessons we learned was to never turn your back (roundhouse) to your opponent, and never leave the ground (jumping).

Haha, it's just a conflict of theories between two arts, but that combination made cringe lol.

well its not actually jumping. youre feet should be like 2 inches off the ground. its not a jump as if to go high, its more like you siwtch your feet (the stance) but at the same time do a kick. its more for spped and countering, in fact our teacher hates it when we actually go into the air

and you dont turn your back during a roundhouse though... that confused me...

[aldaron]

O really? I thought a roundhouse involved spinning around...Guess not, my bad. Like I said, I have practiced Brazilian Jiu Jutsu; we predominantly work on grappling and submissions. Our striking is limited to basic stuff.

As for the Yondaime vs. Itachi idea, I think that battle involves way too much guesswork to even be possible to begin to formulate somewhat of an idea of what might happen. To many unknown factors, after all.

[KageNaruto]

nah dude, this is a roundhouse kick. really plain and simple and has no turns.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ju7T3fwZqj0
the first kick the TKD guy does is a roundhouse. (most of them are lol). there is a jumping turning rounhouse which i forgot the korean name of though, but i never use it, its more for show


the only kick i do in TKD that requires turning is the back kick, which is actually a good counter if youre opponent is in mid kick already. thats really the only time i use a kick that requires turning/exposing your back.

[B0ukun]

Though it's none of my business, most style's say the same thing Aldaron. DOn't turn you back on your opponant and you DO NOT, leave the ground for an attack.

And I think the kick you may be thinking of Kage is a spinning hook kick. Or at least thats the kick Aldaron was probably thinking of. ITs the one Ryu and Ken do when you press the roundhouse button on the joystick.

[BulletHead]

My friend who has done Wing Chun for nearly 5 years now says that the faster you are with the punches, the more powerful it becomes. Although due to how Wing Chun punches are performed, it is structurally stronger (I checked Wikipedia just now). Perhaps he is right, but I dunno. I've always thought that the faster you are the less powerful your punches will be. However, as my friend mentioned, in WC the bending of knees help make those punches a lot stronger as it uses body weight to distribute the force of the punches rather than a reliance on muscle strength.

[aldaron]

Yes Boukon, that was why I cringed lol. And alright, thanks for clearing up the confusion. I just thought a roundhouse involved getting off the ground.

I have a question though...are you guys saying it is possible to get different strengths behind a set mass moving at a set velocity? I mean, if your hand and arm, with obviously static mass, were to punch a punching bag about 1000 times, and each time the velocity of the hit was constant, would the strength actually differ in some of them? I assumed strength to be some sort of combination of momentum and force. The only difference in strength that I can figure out might come from a constant mass and a constant velocity hitting a target, but at different acceleration, so the force is different...

[Narusukashi]

Yes Boukon, that was why I cringed lol. And alright, thanks for clearing up the confusion. I just thought a roundhouse involved getting off the ground.

I have a question though...are you guys saying it is possible to get different strengths behind a set mass moving at a set velocity? I mean, if your hand and arm, with obviously static mass, were to punch a punching bag about 1000 times, and each time the velocity of the hit was constant, would the strength actually differ in some of them? I assumed strength to be some sort of combination of momentum and force. The only difference in strength that I can figure out might come from a constant mass and a constant velocity hitting a target, but at different acceleration, so the force is different...Ah it feels like Physics class all over again. Realisticly speaking, punching a bag 1000 times with a constant velocity sounds near impossible ( atleast for me ). As you punch the bag, fatigue sets in, reducing the force of the punch. Yes, strength is a combination of momentum and force. So to answer your question, yes it is possible to get different strengths behind a set mass moving at a set velocity, assuming were speaking realistically, because no matter how strong and focused someone is, I feel it's impossible to maintain a constant velocity as the human body reacts to constant strain in the muscles, therefore giving you a different amount of force in set intervals between the punches.

[narutofanone]

Yeah. Leaving the ground allow the opponent to get in a hit. Although, the roundhouse is performed so that the kick is long lasting while the person spins around fast enough to return to a front facing position.

[aldaron]

Haha Narusukashi, my point wasn't whether a human could realistically do it. I was saying if you punched a bag 1000 times at constant velocity, like let's say one punch a day for 1000 days....Would the strength then ever differ? I could imagine it would if the acceleration were higher or lower.

[aldaron]

Lol next time I am going to clarify everything. Okay, by constant velocity, I don't mean the arm/hand system was moving at constant velocity, I mean that it hits the target at the same velocity every time. This means that the acceleration leading up to the actual hit can be different, it's just a matter of how long it takes to hit the big for the velocity at point of impact to stay the same at each hit.

Haha damn...

[narutofanone]

Gai might hit Yondaime before he summons Bunta but Yondaime could summon Bunta while running away. It is possible for either outcome.

[Narusukashi]

Lol. Alderon you have to clarify next time :p

[KageNaruto]

however power of an attack is also established by reactionary force and form.

like in a punch, moving the shoulder in, and snappping the punch, while moving the opposite shoulder backward, will get you more range and power

[B0ukun]

My friend who has done Wing Chun for nearly 5 years now says that the faster you are with the punches, the more powerful it becomes. Although due to how Wing Chun punches are performed, it is structurally stronger (I checked Wikipedia just now). Perhaps he is right, but I dunno. I've always thought that the faster you are the less powerful your punches will be. However, as my friend mentioned, in WC the bending of knees help make those punches a lot stronger as it uses body weight to distribute the force of the punches rather than a reliance on muscle strength.

Thats correct. Its the way you punch in wing chun though, not how fast you throw it. See most movements in Wing chun are doing two things at once. The easiest way to illustrate is think of someone throwing a straicht punch with the right hand. They are leaning into the punch. In wing chun you do not lean, you pivot. When that punch is coming you are doing two things.

1: You are clearing that punch out of you area with the closet hand to the punch.

2: You are turning toward said punch keeping you body away from it and throwing a punch with your right hand. You are using muscles for the punch but it's not the shoulder muscles. Its the hip. The punch is coming toward the opponents face as you are turning so the punch is based on cintripical (Spelling? It's been a while since school) force.

[Ichee]

Thats why street boxing is the best form of fighting.

[B0ukun]

Not at all. Boxing doesn't have the history to fight against an equally trained Martial artist, I should know, I've trained in both. Boxers have a total of 10 different attacks, aight at the most. That includes 2 of each punch, jab, hook, cross, uppercut, haymaker. Three defenses cover high, cover low, parry.

The average martial art has over a hundered different attacks, and some where around that number of defeses. These skills where honed in wars, boxing is a sport. Boxing is great for agility and protection against barrages sinec you basic defense is to cover. It teaches you to keep you head moving to keep from getting a clear shot at a huge vital area.

TKD works with range and keeps opponents away with long reach powerful kicks. Wing Chun uses the opponents force against them pulling and pushing them off balance while getting in the best possible position for a quick kill/knock out. Boxing has great speed and strength it has no grappling, locking or breaking techs.

IMO Boxing is a great base for any serious fighter but should not be the last thing you study if you trying to be something along the lines of a UFC fighter or mixed martial artist.

Boxing would KO any undertrained or untrained fighter. Against something thats more rounded, it can be easily rendered useless as boxers rely on their arms, one lock or break and the boxer is defenseless.

[Kazashi The Dragon]

imo mu tai is the strongest i knew a few guys who practiced it and its kinda insane the stuff they put themselfs threw to become strong

[Ichee]

Hence that I said Street boxer. As I am one. I trained under the discipline of boxing when I was 11 to about the age of 13. As I was doing that I use to come up with some brawling techniques as well as street techniques known around my neighborhood ( known to many other people as the hood) as well learned how to use my legs to overcome my opponent with rushing them. I beat up some people who claimed that was martial artist. There was one good guy I had almsot had trouble with because I underestimated him. He was some asian kid who knew Tae Kwon do. He was good but he was too flashy so I strategize on him to knock him out with one hit and then destroy his ass while he was unconcious.

As I can say I love fighting. Its like a release.

[KageNaruto]

there is no best martial art. there are only best fighters

[Kazashi The Dragon]

there is no best martial art. there are only best fighters

so true so true

[B0ukun]

Thars always been true. I honestly don't really consider boxing as much a martial art as a sport however. If you took a bunch of boxers and stuck 'em in a manchu raid from back in the day china, I don't see any of them coming out alive.

But Ichee does have a thing with the flashy guy. to that I say this, the flashiest thing in a fight is effectiveness. A 720 barrel roll looks cool on a movie. A two hit knock out looks cool in the streets.

[Ichee]

Yeah your right. I was kind of scared when I saw him doing all that shit, but then I started thinking of how it will look like to lose. I have too much pride to lose so I just calm down a little and cremed his ass. Good thing. I also started the fight cause I didn;t like the kid.

lol a two hit does look cool. I stomped him I know that looked cool...lol. Now everybody call him doormat.

[KageNaruto]

if youre hit with a spin kick its basically a 1 hit KO, but they are beyond hard to hit with and unless youre some ancient monk leave many many openings.

hell, when the guy lands, you could probably just charge in and open up a barrage due to the delay.

[Ichee]

Thats why when you attack you're not soppose hesistate.

[narutofanone]

Yeah. Movements are supposed to be graceful and swift.

[Aizen-diacho]

yup yup didn't feel like making another thread about itachi so idecide to post this in here.
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i'm guessing like me many ppl here started naruto off watching the anime and never bothered to go back and read the manga because they alreayd know the story.but i came across this today.the second sharingan user besides itachi that means not counting itachi.my bet is that the other person kisame is talking about and the other unamed chiha who can use the MS is still alive and kisame has seen him after the whole uchiha genocide

[jounin101]

sorry, but he saw kakashi too, that'll make sense as the other one, and he said how TODAY was a special day, and he fought kakashi earlier.

[narutofanone]

I'm pretty sure that there is no Sharingan user alive other than Kakashi, Itachi, or Sasuke.

[Aizen-diacho]

sorry, but he saw kakashi too, that'll make sense as the other one, and he said how TODAY was a special day, and he fought kakashi earlier.

oh iforgot that itachi ust finishing owning kakashi that day well i guess i went nowhere with that.

[narutofanone]

I just want to know what Kyuubi knows about Uchiha Mandara.

[10sarg]

if the tengu theory holds up then we already know! if not then its totall up to kishi what he wants to be put there. theres no use guessing now as we dotn have all the facts.

[narutofanone]

Then lets hope that the Tengu theory is correct.

[AkatsukiDeidara]

I don't even know what tengu theory is but if it has something to do with uchiha mandara then lets hope its correct

[KazED]

if you think about how the tengu theory came about.... its only gonna be true in very exceptional circumstances:

1) the author of the tengu theory works with kishi and couldn't contain his excitement about such a twist in the story that he had to go onto some forums to post it. but this guys would be compromising his future as a writer.

2) kishi every once in a while trolls about these forums to pick up ideas (and you have to admit that the tengu theory is prob the best idea to have surfaced)

3) the author... by some stange twist of fate... thinks exactly like kishi and hence came up with the same thing that kishi thought of...

4) kishi got bored and decided to join forums.

do we actually know anything about where this author came from? or is he a random like you and me?

[Arty]

Ive never heard so much bullshit in my life...

There is no strongest mart art? Dont give me that shit lol.. Did ya know that the style Neji us using actualy exists in this world but only a few know and there life is dedicated to keep there ways a secret. Just a few months ago a video of one of them being attack was videoed from a cellphone and the dude took out 3 people in 2 hits.LMAO ive bin practiceing illiegal box for 8 years now since real box ( not olymp ) isnt allowed in Iceland.. Ive bin through 5 years in judo , 6 in Karate and 3 TKD and for the past 4 years ive bin doing MMA. I dont give a shit iff my oponent knows Kung-fu and i dont. I dont even use supmission in real fights.

Take a Judo champion into the ring with a boxer and it will end in 1 hit.
Fighting isnt a sport even though its made to look like one..

In a real fight a Ju-J , Boxer , and mby karate experts have advant.

This isnt 200mm glove fighting. I can kill a man no matter his strength with 1 hit. But at the same time i can get killed. I dont submiss my oponents and iff they do it id just give them a punch even iff they brake a arm or 2.

I got hit from 16cm range into the kidney and had to stay at a hospital for 8 days. Thats me trying to use Judo in a real fight.

You can punch light with speed and you can punch a strong one with speed.

Its like casting a spell in a game. To throw something rly powerful you need to charge it up. And with my exp in box i can tell you one thing... A hit from a sportsman isnt the same as a hit from a fighter. I dont go into the ring with the intention to "kill" my oponent nether does he. In a real fight i fight to hurt and sub is the most silly thing i could do/locked by. A liver/kidney blow to his side and he cant even stand for 2 weeks. Give me 2 meters and i can lunch a punch to kill a bear. Give me 1m and i can kill a man.

Jab is faster than a real hit. A Uppercut explodes at 2-5ms 10-20 cm away from the oponent.

I dont fight to kill ! I fight to hurt. A real fight isnt about tech its about your exp.

[Uchiha Adrian]

lmfao u are funny

[BulletHead]

Haven't you considered that the sportsman is also capable of intentionally 'killing' his/her opponent? They didn't train for nothing.

[el naruto]

I cried reading that haha.

[KazED]

. Give me 2 meters and i can lunch a punch to kill a bear. Give me 1m and i can kill a man.
hahaahahaha. i would pay 20 bucks to see you go toe to toe with a bear. tell you what... i'd even top up 10 bucks to put the bear 1m in front of you so that you could be doubly sure of kill it!

keep more of this coming! i think i speak for everyone that it keeps us entertained while waiting for next weeks chapter!

[Aizen-diacho]

lmao this guy is funny a bear can break your neck just by flexing his paw.and boxers etc are totaly capable of killing somebody heavyweight superstars like evander hollyfield can kill a man with one punch.and anyone who trains in almost any means of fighting if it's TKD,kung fu,boxing,ju do,tai boxing is trained to kill a person.i took TKD and even though TKD specialize in kicking a black belt probably even lower should be able to break someone's skull with a punch.you make a point but fighting is a sport and the sports person isn't any less likely able to kill someone with one hit

[Arty]

Plz i never said id be able to fight a bear head on.. Dont put words in my mouth.. My point was that fighting is not a sport....... And you will never see an sport for killing humans played these days

Like i said a 180pound boy can lunch a punch that kills almost anything .. That doesnt mean the boy gets away safe.. Even iff hes able to throw a punch into the bears face his fist would break befor the skull.. But thats not the point.. L2read into things.

2. IM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT KICKS?!??!!? so dont compair them with punches. Even so a punch can be more effective than a kick in some sits but thats not even the issue.. Dont talk about martart like you know everything about fighting. Fighting to death isnt the same as sparing in your Tkd jim.

As far as i know.. 20cm is inough to break my oponents rips with a punch and 10cm would be inough to stun him.. thats all i point out when you babble about your silly submiss mart'art

And btw.. Iff you think there is something .. untrue/false with what i said.. point it out instead of .. Lol LMAO pew pew

[el naruto]

Dont talk about martart like you know everything about fighting. Fighting to death isnt the same as sparing in your Tkd jim.



So what your saying is youve fought to the death, i bet you've never truly fought someone. its funny to read what you say haha.

[10sarg]

you dont need to be a martial artist to kill someone in one punch. people have actually died from being hit once in the head it just depends were u hit them. its true that people who train to do damage are more capeable of a killing blow but any average person can do it.

neway y the hell are we talking about this crap? all i read b4 was about killin a bear in 2ms with a punch lol, what was it his teddy bear?

[Arty]

So what your saying is youve fought to the death, i bet you've never truly fought someone. its funny to read what you say haha.

Why does that matter? Iff i fought to death i wouldnt be here would i? Id be in jail or in my grave. And yes i have fought someone.. thats the whole point.... I spent a week at the hosp cous i tryed to do submiss against a boxer.

[KazED]

thats the whole point? i don't really see the point here? what does your arguement about 2m/1m punch and killing someone have to do with itachi (which is the title of this post) or even narutoverse.

[el naruto]

Why does that matter? Iff i fought to death i wouldnt be here would i? Id be in jail or in my grave. And yes i have fought someone.. thats the whole point.... I spent a week at the hosp cous i tryed to do submiss against a boxer.

Well you said in that post about fighting to the death so i assumed your saying "I've fought to the death". and good hope that boxer f*cked you up.

[Ichee]

lmao... since this topic is nothing but spam now...

El Naruto is a dick hopper because since everyone was trying to play Halldorur, he had to jump in.

Kazed I'll pay 20 bucks to see you beat me in a flaming match with those shitty ass sentences you come up with.

[Arty]

lmao... since this topic is nothing but spam now...

El Naruto is a dick hopper because since everyone was trying to play Halldorur, he had to jump in.

Kazed I'll pay 20 bucks to see you beat me in a flaming match with those shitty ass sentences you come up with.

Put an auction on ebay troll... Ill buy for 20bucks....

[KazED]

ichee... who said anything about flaming? i'm not the most apt at making pple feel low and degraded (not that i was trying to do that in the first place), but i think i'll live just fine with that.
and why do you always have to go about trying to pick fights with pple. geez for fuck sake... grow up already.

[Drizzt_13]

People take this stupid fight to the spam zone and I hope you all get banned for it. Now i'm gonna go and actually talk on subject for a sec so sorry for interupting your stupid fight.

First of all I used to think itachi was cool, this thread has made me hate him because he's too frigin overpowered. So he's a genius at everything, unlocked the MS, killed the entire most powerful clan in kohona and can sign too fast for the sharingan to see. If he is stronger then the guy who killed the hokage and he's not even the leader why is akatsuki even bothering with the whole money scheme. why not just kill every other ninja if your that strong and rule all the villages. Sure you'd have to go through a few kage's but by the looks of akatsuki's power they could handle it.

Sorry about that I went on a little tangent there. I just hate how itachi is so overpowered, not a single other villain was that strong orochimaru who raises dead hokage's and all got his soul oretty much ripped out and actually shows a weakness, itachi on the other hand dosen't. Which is why i hate him

[Narusukashi]

People take this stupid fight to the spam zone and I hope you all get banned for it. Now i'm gonna go and actually talk on subject for a sec so sorry for interupting your stupid fight.

First of all I used to think itachi was cool, this thread has made me hate him because he's too frigin overpowered. So he's a genius at everything, unlocked the MS, killed the entire most powerful clan in kohona and can sign too fast for the sharingan to see. If he is stronger then the guy who killed the hokage and he's not even the leader why is akatsuki even bothering with the whole money scheme. why not just kill every other ninja if your that strong and rule all the villages. Sure you'd have to go through a few kage's but by the looks of akatsuki's power they could handle it.

Sorry about that I went on a little tangent there. I just hate how itachi is so overpowered, not a single other villain was that strong orochimaru who raises dead hokage's and all got his soul oretty much ripped out and actually shows a weakness, itachi on the other hand dosen't. Which is why i hate himThe series wouldn't be as interesting if he wasn't. Akatsuki killing every ninja and ruling all villages.. that's just too cliche. I prefer their goal right now ( To form their own village and use themselves as the main military, or something like that. I havn't read the previous chapters in over a year so correct me if I'm wrong please )

[Ichee]

People take this stupid fight to the spam zone and I hope you all get banned for it. Now i'm gonna go and actually talk on subject for a sec so sorry for interupting your stupid fight.

First of all I used to think itachi was cool, this thread has made me hate him because he's too frigin overpowered. So he's a genius at everything, unlocked the MS, killed the entire most powerful clan in kohona and can sign too fast for the sharingan to see. If he is stronger then the guy who killed the hokage and he's not even the leader why is akatsuki even bothering with the whole money scheme. why not just kill every other ninja if your that strong and rule all the villages. Sure you'd have to go through a few kage's but by the looks of akatsuki's power they could handle it.

Sorry about that I went on a little tangent there. I just hate how itachi is so overpowered, not a single other villain was that strong orochimaru who raises dead hokage's and all got his soul oretty much ripped out and actually shows a weakness, itachi on the other hand dosen't. Which is why i hate him

Did I tell you to butt in my fight??

No, so shut your butt plug ridden mouth for a sec.

Ok, they made Itachi a God.. so what? Hes not even the main focus or the main problem hes just part of the main problem.

[soggie]

Plz i never said id be able to fight a bear head on.. Dont put words in my mouth.. My point was that fighting is not a sport....... And you will never see an sport for killing humans played these days

Like i said a 180pound boy can lunch a punch that kills almost anything .. That doesnt mean the boy gets away safe.. Even iff hes able to throw a punch into the bears face his fist would break befor the skull.. But thats not the point.. L2read into things.

2. IM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT KICKS?!??!!? so dont compair them with punches. Even so a punch can be more effective than a kick in some sits but thats not even the issue.. Dont talk about martart like you know everything about fighting. Fighting to death isnt the same as sparing in your Tkd jim.

As far as i know.. 20cm is inough to break my oponents rips with a punch and 10cm would be inough to stun him.. thats all i point out when you babble about your silly submiss mart'art

And btw.. Iff you think there is something .. untrue/false with what i said.. point it out instead of .. Lol LMAO pew pew

Actually, I agree to what you said. In a real fight, all those fancy stuff are useless. One punch and you might be in the hospital for two weeks. That's why muay thai, sansou and boxing are such dangerous "sports" - they are very practical and can kill if not restrained. Back to topic tho.

[BulletHead]

Actually, I agree to what you said. In a real fight, all those fancy stuff are useless. One punch and you might be in the hospital for two weeks. That's why muay thai, sansou and boxing are such dangerous "sports" - they are very practical and can kill if not restrained. Back to topic tho.

Technically those 'fancy stuff' are still capable of killing someone. Like one member said already, its where you hit them that counts.

Well some of the people here are saying that Itachi is 'God-like'. Itachi mentioned every strong person has a weakness. All we know is that if he uses his eyes a lot, it will eventually deteriorate and causes him stress. However in terms of his fighting style and battle tactics, it currently seems flawless.

Even if the Akatsuki has members that are of Kage level they will eventually be defeated by an individual or a small group of people. I mean Gaara probably would've been able to kill Deidara if he didn't have to save his village. Ruling by killing is not the best way to gain world dominance. Their goal as of now is organised and well planned. A little too generic for my liking but its the process of obtaining world dominance is what differentiate it from other animes.

[jounin101]

LMAO...i'm very late, but i'd pay to see someone kill a bear in one punch. i had to post about that part. lol.
and all that fancy stuff doesnt win a fight, its like knowing every move in a fighting game, but the other guy just keeps pressing buttons, u cant use your style to defend against something you arent used to.

itachi is "god-like" cause he is the most powerful member of what was the most powerful clan in konoha. he's dominant in nin/gen/taijutsu, and has not only the sharingan, but mangekyou.
who cares if he's so powerful, itll be fun to see sasuke, naruto and others like kakashi try to get up to his level. and A.L is probably more fierce of an opponent than he is.

[Spangle]

This is the place to talk about the BEST NARUTO CHARACTER EVER!

[Collateral]

This is the place to talk about the BEST NARUTO CHARACTER EVER!

you mean to talk about Naruto? or the green beast and Lee? :D

[10sarg]

nah im thinking he means Gaara or the 4th?

[rkappiyo]

This is the place to talk about the BEST NARUTO CHARACTER EVER!

Hmm. It seems you should have been more specific.

[Tori Hatake]

the best naruto character ever is ITACHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oipotty]

not in my opinion

[Spangle]

Well it is called the The Itachi Club if that gives you a hint and I did say The Best so it has to be Itachi ;)

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

Itachi is awesome, i would love if kishi could make him fight with neji that would be like every naruto fan's dream come true. i think either him or kakashi are the few ninjas that can put a fight to him as for right now.

[iCeNinja]

Itachi is awesome, i would love if kishi could make him fight with neji that would be like every naruto fan's dream come true. i think either him or kakashi are the few ninjas that can put a fight to him as for right now.

Why would he do that? itachi>Neji.

[Kyuubi No Yoko]

just for the sake of everyone asking over and over again wich is better if byakugan or sharingan. plus it would be a good fight uchiha genius vs hyuuga genius. every time some one comes up with a thread about it it reaches 1500+ comments so i think that would actually make a lot of people happy (imo itachi would end winning, although it wouldnt be easy and it would be a hell of a fight)

[Spangle]

lol poor Neji he would be slaughtered in a few seconds. Because all Itachi would do is his super fast hand seals and then kill Neji with Amaterasu! Neji would be owned. :D

[iCeNinja]

just for the sake of everyone asking over and over again wich is better if byakugan or sharingan. plus it would be a good fight uchiha genius vs hyuuga genius. every time some one comes up with a thread about it it reaches 1500+ comments so i think that would actually make a lot of people happy (imo itachi would end winning, although it wouldnt be easy and it would be a hell of a fight)

Well even if they did this and Itachi won, Neji fans will still come up with some excuse. So it would still not stop

[Spangle]

But we all know that Itachi is just too good.

OH yeah I don't read the manga so please tag any spoilers for me. :D