Support for Yondaime as Naruto's Father

[Rurikyu]

In no way am I even saying I believe that the 4th is Naruto's Dad I'm just pointing out some interesting facts that may or may not support the idea that the Yondaime is Naruto's father.

1.) Gaara's father was the Kazekage of the sand village, and it was partly his idea to put the One Tail Bijuu into his own son

2.) Yondaime Hokage sealed the Nine Tailed Bijuu into Naruto...

3.) When Hidan and Kakuzu confront the 2 tail Jinchuriki, she states her name and place in the hidden cloud village as the "second best." Assuming she was not the Hokage of the Hidden Cloud, and the best of the village usually equals the Hokage of that village. Perhaps her Father or Mother was the Hokage of the cloud village?

Now heres the Theory:

Maybe the Jinchuriki's are always the son or daughter of a Hokage or the person who defeats the Bijuu. As there is evidence of a pattern. The Kage's make the ultimate sacrifice, as is what a Kage does, and seal "The Power of Sacrifice" into their newly born, or in Garaa's case unborn child.

This brings us to Naruto and Yondaime. They look a lot alike, and share Sensei's, Jutsus, and Summoning Types.

I think that the 3rd hokage didn't have any one to fill the role of a Jinchuriki when the Kyuubi attacked the village and that Asuma was either too old, as it may be possible that its easier to create a Jinchuriki when the one getting sealed is young so the two Chakras can natrually merge instead of forcefully, as it is said the Kyuubi's chakra is like poison as may be with other Bijuu's.

The 3rd Hokage had by then chose a successor, one of both great power and stability. Yondaime who was very powerful, but possibly was also involved with someone and starting a family, thus after his wife who could of been one of many killed by the Kyuubi he made the sacrifice instead of Sarutobi and sealed it into his son.

Any way, in summary: Hokage's or the one who killed/defeated the Bijuu's may use their offspring as containers for the Bijuu's (As it is the ultimate sacrifice, and truly fulfills their role as Kage), and since Yondaime was the Hokage, then Naruto may have been his son he used as a container.

This is a theory developed from many other theories I have seen and it is not my own, so I don't care if you pick it apart or not, I was bored and felt like putting this together....

So any thoughts on this theory to help or support it.

[anantha92]

we already have a thread made by myself on this, please post it in that. anyway
Father?http://kakashisharingan.weblogger.terra.com.br/img/yondaime.jpg
Son?http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/NARUTO-Uzumaki-Chronicles-For-PlayStation-2-2.jpg

Fatherhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/Kazekage.jpg
Sonhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Gaara.jpg

You make the decision.

[Itachi_The_Gay_One]

I use to believe that he was Naruto's father. We'll have to wait and see. But between those 2, there is definately a connection.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3808/untitledaa9.png

[el naruto]

The Al leader kinda has the crazy spikey hair like yondaime too.

[strawberry]

While I deffinetly believe Yondaime is Naruto's father, I really don't believe that the AL leader is Yondaime as well. That's not to say that I deffinetly believe yondaimes dead, but because we just simply don't know for sure what happened with the Kyuubi and how.

[Narusukashi]

The Al leader kinda has the crazy spikey hair like yondaime too.Yes he indeed does, but if you look closer, the hair on the AL's sides are completely different. The AL has spikes all over his hair, while Yondaime has flat hair going down his sides. Anyway back on topic.

I never thought of it this way, but it's definately possible. If you combine all of those with the fact that Jiraiya has said that both have similar personalities, and both growing up almost the same way ( It was said somewhere that Yondaime was also stubborn as a kid, but as he grew older he became more mature and eventually became a genius. It's the path we're seeing Naruto take. Like father like son? )

[strawberry]

Yes he indeed does, but if you look closer, the hair on the AL's sides are completely different. The AL has spikes all over his hair, while Yondaime has flat hair going down his sides. Anyway back on topic.

I never thought of it this way, but it's definately possible. If you combine all of those with the fact that Jiraiya has said that both have similar personalities, and both growing up almost the same way ( It was said somewhere that Yondaime was also stubborn as a kid, but as he grew older he became more mature and eventually became a genius. It's the path we're seeing Naruto take. Like father like son? )

Yes, Kishi has put a tremendous amount of comparisons between the two, emphasizing their similiarities. If you look at Naruto post-timeskip, he has begun to look more and more like Yondaime (and show more and more skills and maturity, like yondaime). However, it's also possible (although i don't personally believe so) that all of the links are there to make Naruto look stronger. After all, Yondaime was the greatest Konoha ninja ever.

[Veni]

After all, Yondaime was the greatest Konoha ninja ever.
i think itachi would whoop yondaime's ass in a flash... yellow flash :)

[fangsoflight]

what if the real leader is gaara's dad i mean in one picture they both have brown hair and gaara's dad disaper mystrouly look at these pics and read them also http://leafninja.com/akatsuki.php
http://leafninja.com/kage.php

[strawberry]

what if the real leader is gaara's dad i mean in one picture they both have brown hair and gaara's dad disaper mystrouly look at these pics and read them also http://leafninja.com/akatsuki.php
http://leafninja.com/kage.php

Gaara's Dad was the Kazekage that Orochimaru killed, I believe.

I don't think Itachi could kick yondaime's ass. The advantage that Itachi has is merely the Sharingan and Yondaime is smart enough not to let himself get caught in that. Itachi vs. Yondaime would probably be an awesome fight, but I'm pretty sure that Yondaime would win.

[fangsoflight]

Gaara's Dad was the Kazekage that Orochimaru killed, I believe.

I don't think Itachi could kick yondaime's ass. The advantage that Itachi has is merely the Sharingan and Yondaime is smart enough not to let himself get caught in that. Itachi vs. Yondaime would probably be an awesome fight, but I'm pretty sure that Yondaime would win.

in the leafninja web it said that he mysrtously disapper spellings ssry

[DonEmu]

The kazekage ( Gaara's dad) was killed by orochimaru, then orochimaru took his place...orochimaru may not have done it personally but seeing as it was a kage i bet the sound four couldnt take him...

Leafninja aint the authority on naruto...

[fangsoflight]

The kazekage ( Gaara's dad) was killed by orochimaru, then orochimaru took his place...orochimaru may not have done it personally but seeing as it was a kage i bet the sound four couldnt take him...

Leafninja aint the authority on naruto...

it does give alot of info about the anime{i type all this with one hand it only took 20 second)

[strawberry]

it does give alot of info about the anime{i type all this with one hand it only took 20 second)

It says in the manga that Gaara's father was the Kazekage that was killed by orochimaru.

[timeforsleeep]

I just read the kage guide from those links in the previous post, and for some reason it leads me to believe that yondaime wasn't as strong as i had thought?

it states that originally sandaime wanted orochimaru to succeed him, but chose yondaime as the fourth instead because of oro's evil ways. if those are the bare facts of the situation, wouldn't it be possible to conclude that orochimaru was stronger than yondaime, was lined up to be kage, but essentially lost his chance on the basis of being a douche bag?

[Joe Money]

yondaime was probably a baby then

[strawberry]

I'm pretty sure Yondaime was not old enough to succeed sandaime at the time Oro left.

[st george]

if im right the yondaime and kyubbi should be locked in battle? wasn't that how the seal worked? therefore the 4th should be inside of naruto. Naruto takes on physical features of the kyubbi because hes inside him, naruto takes on physical features of the yondaime because he is inside him. jus some thoughts.

however, we only ever see the kyubbi behind bars and the seal inside naruto. no sign of any battle with the yondaime.

i think ive said this before some where? i maybe repeatin myself but oh well...

[Collateral]

I just read the kage guide from those links in the previous post, and for some reason it leads me to believe that yondaime wasn't as strong as i had thought?

it states that originally sandaime wanted orochimaru to succeed him, but chose yondaime as the fourth instead because of oro's evil ways. if those are the bare facts of the situation, wouldn't it be possible to conclude that orochimaru was stronger than yondaime, was lined up to be kage, but essentially lost his chance on the basis of being a douche bag?

in one of the latest chapters kakashi said naruto is the only ninja who can surpass the fourth that implies that yondaime was the strongest ninja of all (at least of all kakashi knew) cause otherwise his sentence wouldnt make any sence another point is that jiraiya said yondaime was blessed with more ninja talent than any ninja before. there is also the fact that sandaime stopped the summoning of the fourth in the orochimaru fight with the words if he comes out i am done/dead (or something along these lines)

(and yes i am a yondaime fanboy :D)

[lvlagnus]

Going back on the main point about how hokages seals the spirits within their offspring wouldnt that mean that while sealing the one-tail into gaara his father would have to die....and since we know that the sand's hokage was killed by oro your theory of hokages sealing bijuus within their offspring not make sense..because they have to die in the process?

[br4nd0nh347]

Yes he indeed does, but if you look closer, the hair on the AL's sides are completely different. The AL has spikes all over his hair, while Yondaime has flat hair going down his sides. Anyway back on topic.

I never thought of it this way, but it's definately possible. If you combine all of those with the fact that Jiraiya has said that both have similar personalities, and both growing up almost the same way ( It was said somewhere that Yondaime was also stubborn as a kid, but as he grew older he became more mature and eventually became a genius. It's the path we're seeing Naruto take. Like father like son? )

yeah me too Naruto = Son of Yondaime, but he's not the akatsuki leader.
check wikipedia under akatsuki and they have an image of the lower part face of the leader, not yondaime

[corytheanimator]

Going back on the main point about how hokages seals the spirits within their offspring wouldnt that mean that while sealing the one-tail into gaara his father would have to die....and since we know that the sand's hokage was killed by oro your theory of hokages sealing bijuus within their offspring not make sense..because they have to die in the process?

Gaara's father didn't seal shukaku into him, Chiyo did on his father's orders and she didn't use the same sealing techniques that Yondaime used. Yondaime used a few different techniques together to seal Kyuubi into Naruto that only he knew I think: Dead Demon Consuming Seal (death god) plus Eight Trigrams Sealing Style and Four Symbols Seal . When Yondaime sealed Kyuubi he was loose where as Shukaku had been sealed in other jinchurikis previously.

[timeforsleeep]

I'm pretty sure Yondaime was not old enough to succeed sandaime at the time Oro left.

the timelines hadn't even occured to me lol. thx for clearing that up guys.

[10sarg]

the only reason i see that the kage's would seal the bijuu into there kids is simple. they cant afford it to be anywhere else other than there family.

if they stook it in someone else then eventually that persons family will fight for power and with havin a biju on your side is a massive advantage. so my guess is they just think to make there own family stronger keep it in the family.

[Collateral]

the only reason i see that the hokage's would seal the bijuu into there kids is simple. they cant afford it to be anywhere else other than there family.


stop writing the hokages its THE KAGE. Hokage is only the leader of Konoha

sry but in this whole thread people made this mistake

[strawberry]

the only reason i see that the kage's would seal the bijuu into there kids is simple. they cant afford it to be anywhere else other than there family.

if they stook it in someone else then eventually that persons family will fight for power and with havin a biju on your side is a massive advantage. so my guess is they just think to make there own family stronger keep it in the family.

It would make sense - the strongest ninja in the village, the Kage, sealing it into their family where they can keep watch over it.

[Rurikyu]

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Originally Posted by lvlagnus
Going back on the main point about how hokages seals the spirits within their offspring wouldnt that mean that while sealing the one-tail into gaara his father would have to die....and since we know that the sand's hokage was killed by oro your theory of hokages sealing bijuus within their offspring not make sense..because they have to die in the process?

Gaara's father didn't seal shukaku into him, Chiyo did on his father's orders and she didn't use the same sealing techniques that Yondaime used. Yondaime used a few different techniques together to seal Kyuubi into Naruto that only he knew I think: Dead Demon Consuming Seal (death god) plus Eight Trigrams Sealing Style and Four Symbols Seal . When Yondaime sealed Kyuubi he was loose where as Shukaku had been sealed in other jinchurikis previously.


Thats what I was getting ready to tell him...

if im right the yondaime and kyubbi should be locked in battle? wasn't that how the seal worked? therefore the 4th should be inside of naruto. Naruto takes on physical features of the kyubbi because hes inside him, naruto takes on physical features of the yondaime because he is inside him. jus some thoughts.

however, we only ever see the kyubbi behind bars and the seal inside naruto. no sign of any battle with the yondaime.

i think ive said this before some where? i maybe repeatin myself but oh well...

When you use the Death God Jutsu ( not sure of exact name ) The death god or shinigami could either consume both your souls to do battle for eternity or seal the others soul at the cost of yours being consumed.
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Does anyone else have any more support and/or links to show that Yondaime could possibly be Naruto's father or how you think they are connected??

[Joe Money]

the fact that info about both of naruto parents being missing is proof enough.
its still not clear to me what techniques yondaime used but I believe some one mentined a technique used to seal demons inside of a human vessel that required two sacrifices, one human soul for the death god and one human body for the demon that is going to be sealed. further more I believe it was a family effort. Narutos mother had probably already talked this over with yondaime. they probably reached an agreement and followed throught on their plan. But then again yondaime could have had a sister that was pregnant. She was probably proud to see her older/younger brother fighting so hardly to protect the village and decided to sacrifice her life to show that she could something to help. It is highly unlikely to say that narutos mother was killed fignthing kyuubi. I mean see had just had a child and was probably exhausted from all of the pushing and blowing ;she probably used all of her chakra giving birth, did you see naruto head!

[10sarg]

the thing that puzzles me is the kyuubi would have all the knowledge of this happening yet doesnt tell naruto any of it.

[Collateral]

the kyubii has no interest in seeing naruto becoming stronger cause if naruto reach the point where he is stronger than all his opponents on his own he wouldnt reley any more on the kyubii and that would end the chance for him (the kyubii) to break the seal

another point is the kyubii is still trying to bring naruto to the point where he opens the seal and if the kyubii says both of your parents died because of me that would kill that chance as well

[10sarg]

well not really if the kyuubi says i killed both your parents and then basically challenges naruto to kill him then thers only one way to do that open the seal and battle it out. and naruto is hot headed enough to do that.

[Rurikyu]

well not really if the kyuubi says i killed both your parents and then basically challenges naruto to kill him then thers only one way to do that open the seal and battle it out. and naruto is hot headed enough to do that.

I disagree, I think Naruto used to be hot - headed enough to do that but I doubt he would actually be stupid enough to do it now. I think he has matured at least enough to know that he can't take on the Kyuubi.

Also if he did release the seal wouldn't he die?? I thought that if a Bijuu was extracted from a Jinchuriki the Jinchuriki died ??